Mini 2018 - American Presidents Mafia (Game Over)

[Irrelephant11]

VOTE: Keyser

[Keyser Söze]

NotMafia is offwagon and could quickhammer. I think he’s infamous for that.

[Irrelephant11]

Okay. So let's pretend it's L-1. Still no intent to vote from anyone, and as Skitter has pointed out a Mom lynch doesn't necessarily have general support. Claims aren't necessary until that player would otherwise be lynched. You seem resigned to a Mom lynch without wanting to participate in it, and your desire to see Mom claim early is scummy

[Keyser Söze]

Yes, perhaps the early claim is a bad idea.

[Irrelephant11]

Keyser has voted for Skitter30 and Bernie Sanders D1, and so far those are ALL of his votes???

Your playstyle frustratingly doesn't seem to match any game you've ever played. You seem ready to just accept things thrown at you, though (at least by me: this argument, my scumread of you D1), which feels like a scummy way to avoid attention. It reminds me of how I sometimes play scum IRL - "yeah, I'm scum lol ", and moving on to other topics. You do the same sort of thing with shoshin's scumread of you and the worst in 2007, and Momrangal's lynch even though you're not very willing to vote her.

Who do you want lynched? Why are you waiting for more posts from Mom to vote

anyone

? Why did you ask for a claim?

[Nauci]

Does anyone oppose a Mom lynch?

I'd like to take a look at tw first

Yesterday it was too hard and now it was too easy to wagon there...

[Keyser Söze]

I accepted your scum read as coming from town. I accepted how you perceived my behaviour as scummy. It’s all wrong however (as explained by Nauci).

I haven’t accepted every scum read on me (I.e Shoshin’s theory that I had scum motivation to actively “hide” my meta).

Bernie Sanders said I could be experiencing tinfoil hat from hell which actually touched me last night.

Right now I’ve conceded that I need to sort/flip two players I’m not t/reading, who are scummy/suspicious in the conventional (on paper) sense. Mom and TW.

All of my town reads scum read me which makes this a difficult game for me.

[Keyser Söze]

Keyser has voted for Skitter30 and Bernie Sanders D1, and so far those are ALL of his votes???

I also voted Mom at EoD and asked the mod to amend the VC.
I do realise I haven’t voted today.

[Errantparabola]

Errant, why is Key town?

Some observations I made during my catchup made me feel like he was.
I also think that he's playing very intentionally with his scumhunting. It's very goal-oriented and that makes me think he's not playing with an agenda

I found it amusing you preferring my lynch over Mom’s.

I don't know if amusing is the right word.

Let it slide for now I guess.

This is a town post
A big town post
I guess he doesn't want to reveal his main which is... fine

i'm more interested in why two people with mysterious townreads on mom yesterday (tw and irrelephant) are now voting her

I think in the event that mom flips scum and TW is town, that irre deserves scrutiny

Keyser has voted for Skitter30 and Bernie Sanders D1, and so far those are ALL of his votes???

I don't see what this has to do with much of anything

It reminds me of how I sometimes play scum IRL - "yeah, I'm scum lol ", and moving on to other topics.

I think this is an interesting point and I dont disagree here in the.... general sense that keyser is potentially trying to play without a sense of survivalism

But i think it deserves more nuance
Like I think there are more factors that come into play when analyzing how someone responds to pressure

[Keyser Söze]

Based on my analysis of Gamma’s wagon, and TW’s 180 on Mom D2 (possibly survivalist), here is where I want heightened pressure 4 days before deadline:

VOTE: the worst

Sorry bro. Would like to play with you again though.

[Errantparabola]

i cant wait for mom and the worst to both inexplicably flip town and for us to lose the game

[skitter30]

Skitter, what do you make of the way Key went from scumreading Mom to townreading today?

probably not partner-indicative; it's a very odd trajectory for a partner to take on scum!mom given the gamestate

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Sidenote: finding Mom scummy D1 for her interactions with Gamma without knowing his alignment is actually kind of weird?

it wasn't solely her interactions with gamma (although i feel like she was egging on that wagon without committing to it); so much as the gamestate was pointing to town!gamma given the sheer amount of resistance to any counterwagons. it's more like the other way around that what you said above - people's interactions with the gamma wagon was pointing to town!gamma, and less than town!gamma made other people's interactions with the wagon sketchy

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Like, it makes sense for people who scumread Gamma to reevaluate their reads, because Gamma flipped town. But it's not so clear why Key's reevaluating in the way he is when he townread Gamma...

I’m not town reading Mom, but my will to kill her today has weakened.

I agree that Mom’s interactions/comments on Gamma D1 is likely to get them lynched today.

I think Mom should roleclaim now.

this is kinda premature tbh; gamma was given time to claim when he had intent and wasn't lynched 'quickly'; nm can't lolhammer from L-2

p-edit: i'm kinda confused about you moving to tw here after this

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This is a town post
A big town post
I guess he doesn't want to reveal his main which is... fine

he's rask; he outed it after i guessed it somewhere in the 400's i think

[Keyser Söze]

If both town then my tin foil hat is coming back on

[skitter30]

i cant wait for mom and the worst to both inexplicably flip town and for us to lose the game

idk if they're both scum together but i'm having a lot of trouble putting together a cohrent sense of the gamestate if they're both town

[Errantparabola]

he's rask; he outed it after i guessed it somewhere in the 400's i think

ohhhhh
well that's uh
nice, I guess
IDK if i've played with him before ;;;

[Errantparabola]

probably not partner-indicative; it's a very odd trajectory for a partner to take on scum!mom given the gamestate

i agree with this btw
I'd guess at potential partners for scum mom to be people who went from townreading to scumreading at about Wagon Size 4

[Errantparabola]

Of course that's all circumstantial and the person I'm specifically talking about is Irrelephant who I still think is.... town asdf

[Shoshin]

probably not partner-indicative; it's a very odd trajectory for a partner to take on scum!mom given the gamestate

Why's that an odd trajectory for a partner? He votes partner when partner isn't going to be lynched, then defends partner when partner is under threat of lynching.

And what's it say about Key if Mom is town?

[skitter30]

because he's inextricably tying himself to her if she flips scum given that he defended her at this critical time, and if he's scum he knows that she'll flip scum too so defending her as her wagon builds is just a way to make himself suspicious tomorrow

i don't think scum do that knowing that the other person will flip scum most of the time when there's a fairly decent chance the flip will happen soonish

if mom is town key's scum equity increases drastically; it's a kinda gross progression from scum!key on town!mom

[brassherald]

Tonight's VC will be later than usual, or possibly non-existent... Depending on when I get home tonight.

[Irrelephant11]

Keyser is currently the only vote on the worst lol
If Mom is town Keyser/the worst actually looks v viable

Dangit I got distracted ISOing Mom

[Keyser Söze]

From your point of view, we're either scum together, hes scum saving me for tomorrow (today) or hes town being pretty erratic.

Spot on. That's exactly the paranoia that has been running through my head D1 and D2.

[Irrelephant11]

Hey Mom do you have an updated readslist?

[Errantparabola]

I tried to make an updated version of my reads list and ended up being dissatisfied with both the new one and thinking about it, the old one. So here is this abomination... it looked better in my head



also skitter should be higher it's just crowded there

[Keyser Söze]

That is amazing