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Post Post #2825 (ISO) » Wed Jul 11, 2018 7:23 am

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In post 2823, Lalendra wrote:
In post 2820, Flavor Leaf wrote:
In post 2818, Lalendra wrote:Also the Hopkirk claim was underwhelming, I'm glad he claimed but I was already townreading him so I was hoping it would be some other slot that would give me more info. I guess at least now I don't have to worry about wavering on that slot later.
Yet you all forced the second mason to claim. There was literally no reason for it.

It would have EASILY been confirmed in a day or two. Never do that again.
We have yet to see whether it's a good or bad thing for town.
It’s a bad thing. The second mason claim coming out Day 3 or day 4 would have been 300% better than here.

It’s literally a mason claim. Zero reason to push it further regardless of anything. It’ll always settle itself out.
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Post Post #2826 (ISO) » Wed Jul 11, 2018 7:24 am

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hopefully it's not a sin
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Post Post #2827 (ISO) » Wed Jul 11, 2018 7:24 am

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Post Post #2828 (ISO) » Wed Jul 11, 2018 7:24 am

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In post 2822, Lalendra wrote:
In post 2819, Flavor Leaf wrote:Lalendra, I didn’t have a single post in between. You just jumped from one point to another. It’s not that there wasn’t a reaction, i just wasn’t around
And you not being around is why I changed my SR on you.
Pretty sure I literally stated I’d be at work.

I wasn’t around like all of Day 1.
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Post Post #2829 (ISO) » Wed Jul 11, 2018 7:24 am

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Day 2 VC #22Golden Robster (2) - ,
Creature (0) -
Kublai Khan (2) - ,
WhemeStar (0) -
Hopkirk (0) -
EspeciallyTheLies (0) -
JarJarDrinks (1) -
Andriod18 (1) -
Texcat (0) -
TehBrawlGuy (0) -
Vaxkiller (1) -
Wavemode (1) -
PenguinPower (3) - , ,
Myloninja13 (4) - , , ,
Scioness Sajj (0) -
Flavor Leaf (1) -
Not Voting (6) - Frozen Angel, Scioness Sajj, , , ,

Lynch ThresholdDuring day 2, it takes 12 votes to lynch a player.

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Day 2 ends on July 14, 2018 8:00 PM EDT (GMT-4:00) or in (expired on 2018-07-14 20:00:00).

Moderator NotesFrozen Angel is V/LA until July 11.
Seeking a replacement for EspeciallyTheLies.
Prodded Pine. He has (expired on 2018-07-12 09:49:40) to respond in-thread.
If you have consistent weekend V/LA, you must remind me every weekend, or I will prod you. Alternatively, you can set V/LA tags each weekend.
If you notice any mistakes, please point them out. (That includes looking at the voting history.)

Spoiler: Current Voting History
Day 2Dunnstral: -->
Golden Robster: --> --> --> --> --> --> --> --> --> --> --> -->
Pine:
Creature:
Kublai Khan: --> -->
WhemeStar: --> -->
Hopkirk: --> --> ==>
Gamma Emerald:
Ausuka
: --> --> --> -->
Lalendra: --> --> --> --> -->
EspeciallyTheLies:
JarJarDrinks: --> --> --> --> --> --> -->
Andriod18: -->
Texcat: -->
ArcAngel9 (1):
TehBrawlGuy: -->
Vaxkiller: -->
Wavemode: --> --> -->
PenguinPower: --> --> --> -->
Myloninja13:
Flavor Leaf: --> --> -->


Spoiler: Previous Voting History
Day 1
Note: * = Hammer Vote

Note: ^ = Vote after hammer vote.

Dunnstral (5): --> --> --> -->
Srceenplay
(0): (Null)
Performer
(5): --> --> --> --> *
Joral
(0): (Null)
Almost50
(8): --> --> --> --> --> --> -->
Fumuki (0): (Null)
Golden Robster (13): --> --> --> --> --> --> --> --> --> --> --> --> [[ost=1798](Null) (1798)[/post]
Pine (2): -->
Creature (6): --> --> --> --> -->
Kublai Khan (6): --> --> --> --> -->
WhemeStar (3): --> -->
Hopkirk (9): --> --> --> --> --> --> --> -->
Edosurist (2): -->
Gamma Emerald (3): --> --> --> ^
Ausuka
(9): --> --> --> --> --> --> --> -->
Lalendra (3): --> -->
EspeciallyTheLies (2): -->
Lovebird (1):
Davesaz (1):
Frozen Angel (3): --> -->
JarJarDrinks (8): --> --> --> --> --> --> -->
Osuka
(10): --> --> --> --> --> --> --> --> -->
Texcat (4): --> --> -->
Andriod18 (4): --> --> -->
ArcAngel9 (4): --> --> -->
Charles510 (2): -->
Vaxkiller (8): --> --> --> --> --> --> -->
Wavemode (5): --> --> --> -->
TheRampage (3): --> -->
PenguinPower (1):
Myloninja13 (4): --> --> -->
Scioness Sajj (4): --> --> -->
Flavor Leaf (1):

Pre-GameDunnstral (2): -->
Srceenplay
(1):
Pine (1):
Kublai Khan (1):
Hopkirk (1):
Edosurist (1):
Osuka
(2): -->
Texcat (1):
Wavemode (1):
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Post Post #2830 (ISO) » Wed Jul 11, 2018 7:25 am

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Vote GROB or Penguin, please. Don’t fall for the MYLO trap.
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Post Post #2831 (ISO) » Wed Jul 11, 2018 7:26 am

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In post 2816, Lalendra wrote:
In post 2812, JarJarDrinks wrote:
In post 2804, Lalendra wrote: Is it not better to have confirmed masons so that we can narrow the lynch pool by knowing who is definitely town? I understand that also means that scum will know who the masons are, but scum already know who is town so what's the difference?
So do you believe it's correct play for all masons and ICs to claim immediately on day 1?
I think if we already have one mason claimed, there's little point in waiting for the other to claim, and since you are of the same mind, I'm not sure why you're arguing with me on this.
Because I was scumreading flavorleaf. You weren't.
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Post Post #2832 (ISO) » Wed Jul 11, 2018 7:30 am

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Penguin has been on my wagon, KK’s wagon, mylo’s wagon, and now on GROB after I’ve been pushing that as an option.

He wasn’t on JJD, however. Just noting this down.
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Post Post #2833 (ISO) » Wed Jul 11, 2018 7:33 am

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In post 2830, Flavor Leaf wrote:
Vote GROB or Penguin, please. Don’t fall for the MYLO trap.
lol we can't even get a wagon going
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Post Post #2834 (ISO) » Wed Jul 11, 2018 7:33 am

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I think I prefer GROB to Penguin, though. All of Penguin’s counter points make sense to me, but it’s not out of his scum range.
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Post Post #2835 (ISO) » Wed Jul 11, 2018 7:34 am

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VOTE: Penguin
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Post Post #2836 (ISO) » Wed Jul 11, 2018 7:34 am

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In post 2833, Creature wrote:
In post 2830, Flavor Leaf wrote:
Vote GROB or Penguin, please. Don’t fall for the MYLO trap.
lol we can't even get a wagon going
To be fair, people were so stuck up on me until a couple of hours ago.

Now I’m confirmed conf town, so :shrug:
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Post Post #2837 (ISO) » Wed Jul 11, 2018 7:34 am

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also GROB is a bad abbreviation
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Post Post #2839 (ISO) » Wed Jul 11, 2018 7:35 am

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Honestly I'm more in the mood to vote GoldRob out of those two, PP hasn't been towny per se but GR has been scummy
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Post Post #2840 (ISO) » Wed Jul 11, 2018 7:36 am

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In post 2836, Flavor Leaf wrote:confirmed conf town
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Post Post #2841 (ISO) » Wed Jul 11, 2018 7:38 am

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In post 2840, Lalendra wrote:
In post 2836, Flavor Leaf wrote:confirmed conf town
I was already conf town before. Now I’m confirmed conf town.

Also, Wheme is scum, but he’s not the head scum.

I want to cut off the head today, and I believe it’s G-Rob.

Which, checking ISO’s, links Wheme and Lalendra somewhat together, especially with lalendra’s unvoting fiasco, but I don’t want to put too much stock into pre flips.
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Post Post #2842 (ISO) » Wed Jul 11, 2018 7:40 am

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@JJD/KK - I guess I should have pointed it out earlier, but look what happened Day 1 when Performer called me out. I engaged with him pretty feisty like, scum read him, and through the firey 1v1 I ended up town reading him. I did the same with you two. Wasn’t necessarily flip flopping, haha.
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Post Post #2843 (ISO) » Wed Jul 11, 2018 7:47 am

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In post 951, Golden Robster wrote:actually I think that's my problem with some players in this game

too many people care about their own appearance and firmly defending themselves as pro-town rather than trying to solve this game and convincing others through good content

isn't it normal to be scumread?
This is something I say often when I’m scum and town is tearing themselves apart, or something along those lines.

I’ve said it a couple times as town, but when you’re scum, you really really see it, and you sound intelligent saying this kind of thing.
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Post Post #2844 (ISO) » Wed Jul 11, 2018 7:48 am

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In post 2679, Flavor Leaf wrote:I was trying to figure out if GROB was town fake claiming mason to try and protect my mason partner(s), which would have been good play, or if he was scum claiming mason, which in this case, he would already know my alignment was town. If i had gone through with accepting that play, and he was scum, he would have been able to kill me off, coast as conf mason buddy and potentially 1v1 with a mason buddy of mine and successfully kill of 2 masons at the price of himself on day 4. That’s an easy trade to make as scum, and very solid play.
this is a good point actually.
town Rob could want to protect the masons if he was townreading you or saw crumbs - that's not the case.
town Rob could want to reaction tests you, which he claimed to do, but he retracted before he got a reaction from you.
scum Rob could want to force other mason(s) to claim but I don't think it was needed. the thread was already demanding full masonry claim. no reason for him to get into that spotlight. unless he thought you were town gambiting mason and no clue if that's what scum Rob would go with even considering we have a hood already.

it's either really simple or really complicated.
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Post Post #2845 (ISO) » Wed Jul 11, 2018 7:50 am

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In post 2693, TehBrawlGuy wrote:
In post 2691, JarJarDrinks wrote:
In post 2690, TehBrawlGuy wrote: android: obvtown (how was he almost lynched?)
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ftr, i'm not defending his play or saying's it's good or protown.

it's just very obviously coming from a town player
could you elaborate? or anybody else townreading Android, I don't really see it.
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Post Post #2846 (ISO) » Wed Jul 11, 2018 7:52 am

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In post 2696, Dunnstral wrote:Mason partner doesn't claim today

There's no reason why we have to go after flavor leaf today, if he were lying we'd figure it out eventually and he wouldn't get away
Thos something to look back at if GRob flips scum.
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Post Post #2847 (ISO) » Wed Jul 11, 2018 7:55 am

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In post 2846, Scioness Sajj wrote:
In post 2696, Dunnstral wrote:Mason partner doesn't claim today

There's no reason why we have to go after flavor leaf today, if he were lying we'd figure it out eventually and he wouldn't get away
Thos something to look back at if GRob flips scum.
I 100% agree with what Dunn said. Dunn is lock town from my perspective.
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Post Post #2848 (ISO) » Wed Jul 11, 2018 7:58 am

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D2 reads

C = how confident I am in this read
* = dependent on claim

Town
: Ausuka (conf town) (3p hood), FL* & Hopkirk* (mason claim)
Leaning Town
: KK, FA
------- (town block)
Semi-leaning Town
: JJD, ETL, Gamma
------- (not willing to lynch above)
Kind of town
: Lalendra, Pine, Scioness, Dunstrall, Vax
Neutral/Undecided
: TNB (UD), Creature (UD)
Meh
: Mylo, PP, Wavemode, Texcat,
Leaning Scum
: Whemestar, Android
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Town

Ausuka
- Confirmed IC
FL & Hopkirk
- Claimed masons*

Leaning Town


KK (8/10 C) - Hard TR this slot; have been leaning town on KK and nothing has made me change my read. Clear effort with scumhunting throughout the game; being aggressive with his questioning and having posts like 967 and 529 that demonstrate his reasoning. Isn't afraid to push any lousy logic and is capable of having discussions without fully tunnelling; has outed reads & most of our townreads overlap which I'll take as a sign of similar thinking between solid town. Posts feel genuine and sincere especially when he engaged FL with 2394 and playing devil's advocate in 2402 without actually voting FL afterwards; felt like a reaction test and something I TR.

FA (8/10 C) - TR FA; hasn't made her presence since V/LA which is fair. Active analysis during d1 was solid although her thoughts were brief, she covered posts worth commenting on. Felt like she was trying to develop her thoughts and reads while catching-up and endeavouring to actually sort players out; sincerity, town-motivation and isn't afraid to call out any shitty logic by 'eww'ing' any posts. Need to out reads and comment on d2 happenings but am TR'ing right now. (Dave replace out felt genuine as well which just enhances my read on the slot)

Semi-leaning Town


JJD (7/10 C) - TR JJD for now; have been back and forth with my read since d1. Scumread him early d1 for reasons that felt like lack of scumreads with weight, defensiveness that borders on deflecting and appealing to me when spearheading his wagon (mentioned all of these reasons before) but his d2 play feels town-motivated (people can debate me here); just checked post count and he's topping activity overview while also pumping out pragmatic content and actively scumhunting. Re-iterating that his crumb wasn't obvious or easily discernable & the fact that he didn't hard OMGUS me or call me out when I started spearheading his wagon. Have had games with him but meta is variable so not counting on this to read JJD. Don't agree with his readslist but I see some decent scumreads like whemestar, AA9 and wave (will talk about whether I think hood was all town or not later on). Differ on a lot of reads but am willing to work with this.

Gamma (7/10 C) - TR Gamma for d1 but d2 is lacking and hasn't outed reads yet. Engaged questioning, active commenting and analysis from d1 which I TR; needs more hard stances on players since he hasn't outed a single reads list and been over 100 pages; posts sometimes feel wishy-washy. Need more resolute reads from him and can only see four votes throughout the entirety of ISO; also piggy-backing on hopkirk reasoning (2488) that KK was scum was bad (don't think he mentioned KK previously in detail) and acting confused with posts like 2396, 2401, 2660, 2661, 2786 (can't tell if fake). Overall, TR Gamma but need concrete reads.

ETL (4/10 C) - Not confident on this read right now but I don't see scum ETL hard pushing performer wagon if he was scum; yes, I think tunnelling is scummy as shit and performer was town. ETL is playing naturally and not being artificial in his pushes. He calls out logic that doesn't resonate with him, is pedantic when referring to wording (1979 & 1983) and doesn't hesitate to butt heads with players that SR him (don't see scum doing this; super omgusy play). Aggressive to the extent that I don't believe it comes from scum (even though I haven't checked his meta & games). Semi-TR but not confident and waiting on replacement.

Kind of town


Lalendra (7/10 C) - Feels like newb town although some posts feel forced. Re-reading ISO, don't think anything majorly stands out to me as scum posts; main thing that strikes me is vote-hopping and switching between wagons but not bothered because scum care for appearances more than town so it's something that I TR; not much to add except newbtown vibes all over ISO.

Dunstrall (6/10 C) - Lacking content but him commenting on posts feel genuine and not fake; TR even though absence of reasoning and mostly acting on the side-line and not hard-pushing (could be looked at as scummy since avoiding spotlight). Has avoided some of main wagons and pushing JJD for his misrep in 2388 feels bad; overall, gut says town but on paper, shortage of reasoning makes me struggle to TR. D2 play hasn't been impactful and need more content.

Scioness (5/10 C) - Had Scioness as leaning scum previously but re-read and think the thing that was pinging me was the ease at which he switched votes d1 from ausuka to performer to android; felt scummy because zero reasoning and gave the impression of rushing a lynch instead of actually wanting to lynch scum. D2 play felt better but need more validation.

(will continue readslist later, getting coffee)
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Post Post #2849 (ISO) » Wed Jul 11, 2018 8:00 am

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In post 2712, Flavor Leaf wrote:We’re lynching ON MY WAGON, if a fucking 2nd mason claims.

Like seriously, terrible play y’all doing this game.

Absolulely zero chance of lynching off my wagon. Like, obviously a second mason is claiming if I get pushed today. It’s literally fucking pointless.

It is blatant role fishing, and if you’re town who “needs a second mason to claim” that’s just bad. It’s a fucking mason claim. It’ll come out.
I see town motivation in wanting 2nd mason to claim. From what I have read you are known for claiming masons so it's not something people will just accept. Lynching on your wagon isn't the right way to go about it, i think.
Like it probably would be if it was anybody else but you.
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