NY214: Project Pinecone (Game over! Town wins!)

[Raskolnikov]

I got a banana as well.

[brassherald]

TFW you thought he was trying to hardgrab towncred by doing the obviously protown thing by not lynching claimed pr day 1.

I have never claimed to be smart.

[Taly]

-_- I wasn't able to post my readslist but with

dram

flipping scum, the direction of my reads are changing a lot.

Going to have to edit the readslist I was going to post.

I discourage any and all discussion revolving around figuring out who shot

dram

.

YAS

NICE SHOT VIG

VOTE: Andrius

If you are Town, you should sheep this. I will post a full refutation of MoI and also fully explain on Andrius when I get to a computer (at work rn).

The biggest problem last dayphase was that not many people elabroated on their strongest reads and pushes, so I'll be waiting for this post.

I'm going to re-evaluate

Andrius

, he was becoming more towny to me.

I'm extremely weary of the SEVERAL people who bashed the Dram wagon, and my reasons for voting there.

I'm feeling a little more confident with

Inferno

and

Hit

being town again.

So
brass, why coming in with Taly?

He was the main one arguing against lynching dramonic after the claim, as I recall. dramonic was scummy af, I feel like it was scum trying to protect their PR.

So, you're looking at me for going on the wagon in the first place, but not the people who avoided it altogether?

I gave my reasons for why I felt lynching

dram's

claim wasn't effective D1, and I'm not one to discern what's scum and what's town based off claims, so I took his at face value.

[Andrius]

One of them was so loud I couldn't help but hear it, and the other one killed a dude. Or at least tried to.
How should we proceed - I do not wish to out our Vig and I'm not sure that one person being so noisy means anything alignment-wise..

I honestly think that we have one scum down and it might be a good idea to push our advantage right now.
We have a dead scum PR right now and if you have ANOTHER potentially damning result I think we should go for it.

I'm also contemplating a similar dilemma.

WHO GAVE ME A BANANA

[Pine]

YAS

NICE SHOT VIG

In my experience most stabbings are serial killers?

Interpreting flavor text as game-related information is not advised; flavor text is entirely independent of the mechanical side of things. Further, having different death flavors for different factions is specifically banned for Normal games.

[Raskolnikov]

VOTE: chickadee

[Taly]

Andrius

, do you have no response to

Inferno

voting you?

Or

Brass

, for hopping onto that vote like he's done many others?

[Ausuka]

Haha. This is interesting.

Dram's flip likely makes this a lot easier.

[Ausuka]

Ok so first of all I think raskol is town.

[brassherald]

Yo, I'll just get in front of things right now.

I am activated BP. I'm guessing scum tried to kill me because I activated last night.

I also was like super poorly crumbing that I was a PR the entire day, but I'm not THAT bad at crumbing. I was really trying to draw the night kill.

[Andrius]

VOTE: chickadee

did you
read my mind
because I would like to talk about her

[Ausuka]

I'm going to assume mafia didn't really bus their roleblocker because yeah.

Stabbing flavour doesn't really mean SK.

[Andrius]

Andrius

, do you have no response to

Inferno

voting you?

Or

Brass

, for hopping onto that vote like he's done many others?

don't really care, no
I expected it once I saw the dram flip
all I ask is that I have time to talk with hitalt and coordinate because I need to think about what happened last night and if he's got incriminating results we should go down that line NOW and push the advantage while ahead

EVERY MOMENT WE DO NOT KILL THEM, THEIR ADVANTAGE GROWS

Ok so first of all I think raskol is town.

yes

[Andrius]

Yo, I'll just get in front of things right now.

I am activated BP. I'm guessing scum tried to kill me because I activated last night.

this fits in with the narrative
scumkill is mia
scum dies

hitalt can potentially give us another scum(??)

[Ausuka]

Actually it does, and I originally read that post as even night for some reason.

10/10 will vote dram
Jk xyzzy we good today

Wait no I lied to you

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any modifier restricting to a specific set of nights (e.g. Even/Odd Night, Night Specific, Novice)

Ok so mafia knew dram was really the role he claimed (just scum) and I don't think this is faked.

[Andrius]

I'm going to assume mafia didn't really bus their roleblocker because yeah.

Stabbing flavour doesn't really mean SK.

I agree. Scum wouldn't intentionally bus their JK this early on.

Also it doesn't 100% mean it but my first reaction to seeing STABBING was serial killer. just things to consider since deadmafia doesn't guarantee town vig.

[Ausuka]

HWS slot feels more towny post-dram flip too.

[brassherald]

I just figured before hitalt says I was attacked and not killed so I'm SK, I'd claim.

I am also intentionally not saying whether I have further shots to activate and will continue to refuse to do so.

[Andrius]

I got a banana as well.

BANANA MASONS YES

[Andrius]

I just figured before hitalt says I was attacked and not killed so I'm SK, I'd claim.

I am also intentionally not saying whether I have further shots to activate and will continue to refuse to do so.

Wise on both counts.

[brassherald]

I just figured before hitalt says I was attacked and not killed so I'm SK, I'd claim.

I am also intentionally not saying whether I have further shots to activate and will continue to refuse to do so.

Wise on both counts.

Once in a while I do smart things.

[Andrius]

While we wait.

[HitAlt]

This could be spicy, but I could also be outing our vig.
Not willing to do that kind of a blunder just yet.

I'd also like to know something more about those bananas - who exactly got them? (apparently multiple people?)
And brass - can you give any more specifics on why / how you know your BP activated? (

PLEASE LET HIM ANSWER THIS BY HIMSELF - COULD BE IMPORTANT.

[Raskolnikov]

Mmm I was speculating hitalt as probably blocked scum kill FTR since he claimed an investigative. My impression is brass was kinda just spamming/fluff latter half of yesterday so feels weird him claiming such but guess in retrospect he was pushing dram so maybe scum thought he was towny via hiddenknowledge or targeted on read/thread basis?

[Taly]

The only reads I was able to REASON/WRITE fully that immediately still stand after the Dram scumflip.

Raskolnikov

- I already stated that I liked his entrance, and in the past few days, they've been a lot more active with discussion. Most of their entire ISO revolves around looking beneath the surface on the playerlist, and his votes are well-justified. 964

the worst

vote - 1093 his length look into

hit

- 1252 and 1253 where he talks about how hammers help him while giving his assessment on

Andrius

. His thoughts are unique to the playerlist from what I've seen. He also outlines that he works off cases and makes what he's looking for clear. Very coherent.

xyzzy

- Reading xyzzy's ISO shows me that a lot of his wallposts were somewhat detached. He doesn't explicitly ask or start much dialogue with who he engages with, and a lot of his assessments seem generated on his own thinking. I feel like town would've been more pushy with vote on the

Hit

lynch given claim, but the final bits of

xyzzy's

posts of D1 don't even mention this.

Ausuka

- I understand

Ausuka's

been very frustrated with Mafia lately, but her lack of engagement and content could be used for a scum advantage, I don't want her slipping through this dayphase without a good bit of conversation.

Post-Flip Add-On: I like that she's posting more now.

the worst

-

the worst

has been almost borderline downplaying his thinking in this game. Posts like 1193 "let's sheep Andrius", the random posts that don't add content, and phrases like "I'm not a mechanics wizard" serve to be as a shield from putting forth his own insight. This D1 was widely frustrating for the playerlist, but I wasn't impressed with

TW's

contribution and his L-1 to

Flub

in 1282 on the same page I unvoted to avoid a hammer, felt very odd. His posts seem inconsistent from somewhat defending the

Flub

scumreads in 901 to questioning why it's even there. 1026

Post-Flip Add-On: I really want him to explain 1109, and what made him the Dram's claim was scum 1184

~~~

At the end of D1, I was beginning to question

Hit

-

Inferno

, but I feel better about them now.

I was feeling confident with

Chick, Andrius, MOI

-town, but I'm unsure at the moment.

I want to know why those 3 had issues with the

dram

wagon and the reasons for it in depth.