Labyrinth Mafia (Endgame)

[Scioness Sajj]

eh, nothing there:

This role modifier is considered Normal on mafiascum.net. It negates the effects of a Doctor or Bodyguard protecting it, although both would still be seen as having visited a Macho role.

[Shoshin]

Besides, there's no scum strategy behind saying you're going to kill me and then me being alive the next day.

[Shoshin]

If I claim bodyguard on Nico and then nobody dies, I can't claim to have stopped the nightkill.

That's why the bodyguard claim matters.

[Scioness Sajj]

From my perspective, a town 1-shot vig always claims to have multiple shots to keep scum on their toes. I've seen it before. More than once.

yeah but people in this game don't really believe in reads nor are reading me strongly anyway
and some other things that actually nobody said when voting me which makes me curious but oh well

[Scioness Sajj]

Besides, there's no scum strategy behind saying you're going to kill me and then me being alive the next day.

well
it is close to heavy wifoming and i'm not going there.

[Scioness Sajj]

give me a solve shoshin

not me, not you then who and why

[Shoshin]

give me a solve shoshin

not me, not you then who and why

I don't know if it's not you because you keep telling me I should be voting you. That's making me reconsider. But assuming you're town, the scum are among Random, Wisdom, and the worst.

Why?

It's not Nancy (because of Nico and because her role is likely town). It's not me (for all the reasons I've mentioned). It's not Wheme (because he's been pro-town and his role connection doesn't seem to come from scum).

That leaves Random, Wisdom, and the worst.

I've already discussed why Random is scummy based on his interactions with Creature and Nico.

Wisdom is scummy because he replaced a scummy slot (Taly didn't do anything all game and eventually replaced out), and he's mindlessly pushing mislynches on you and me, and his certainty about anything (Chick, you, or me) doesn't square with what he's read of the game. I also don't believe he srongly townreads the worst based on only reading D4 (it's fine if you townread the worst for the reasons Nancy does, but not for the reasons Wisdom has given). His role also makes sense as scum, especially in light of Chick's flip.

the worst is scummy for blindly pushing mislynches on you and me, because he couldn't explain why he townread you earlier in the game, and because he's just been going with the flow the entire game. His turn on Random (initially pushing him, then defending him) doesn't make any sense, either.

[Shoshin]

I'll add that Wheme is probably town because he's actually still thinking about the game critically, unlike Random, Wisdom, or the worst.

If we still have one or two mislynches available, our best shot at winning the game is lynching Random, Wisdom, and the worst (one of whom will be a mislynch).

[Randomnamechange]

unless you arent rly a bg ~

what do you think she is?

scum doc

soshin's claim that sajj is town is completely ridiculous and based purely on self preservation
its pretty obvious they arent genuine in their reads and ar doing what helps them

[Wisdom]

wheme/nancy hammer pls

[Shoshin]

Random, why do you think I'm a doc when I claimed bodyguard to Shepard on D2?

[Shoshin]

Think this through.

[Scioness Sajj]

wheme/nancy hammer pls

do you think scum has vig, protective and strongman?

[Wisdom]

sure

[Wisdom]

Im not big on setup spec
Maybe there are only 3 scum to balance
Though town has plenty of power to counter anyway
What i do know is that nancy, tw and random are town and you and shosin are obvscum

[Scioness Sajj]

you have been arguing setup yesterday with me.

and scum needs that protective to do not accidentally shoot themselves?

[Randomnamechange]

there is clearly some level of role fuckery going on so it makes more sense to focus on day play
where shoshin has been scummy as fuck

[Scioness Sajj]

shoshin is not being wagoned

[Wisdom]

oh thats a good point i guess

scum doc is useless without a vig
But its also pretty useless just for a 1shot vig
Maybe youre an sk?

[Wisdom]

Either way im lynching you over shoshin because you lied and that held non-town motivation
"you wouldnt believe me" is bs
We wouldnt believe you then, we dont believe you now

[Scioness Sajj]

you say you are lynching me because i lied, so retracting the lie wouldn't change it. yet you are calling bullshit on me agreeing with it.

[Shoshin]

What's the scum motivation for Sajj lying about shooting me?

[the worst]

UNVOTE:

huh

[Shoshin]

Cool, the worst is making a case for himself as town. Let's see what he does.

[the worst]

I want wisdom