Newbie 1881 - Game Over

[stan1ey]

Oh, i read your question wrong. Yeah its a possibility but what he wrote seemed more like he got the wrong meaning from what she wrote

[nancy]

Sorry, I don't think I expressed myself well enough.

I think Formerfish is reading too much into it or taking the wrong meaning of what she wrote rather than trying to play it up tho. i'd put this as NAI for both sides.

You said you don't think that he was trying to play it up, but you also say that you don't think it's alignment indicative. In my mind, it's more likely that he would play it up as mafia, so if he hasn't played it up then it's a little bit town. So I'm just trying to clarify that you don't agree, that you think that he wouldn't have played it up as mafia.

[stan1ey]

Right, i see your logic but i don't agree. By that logic you should have a town lean on all players because nobody played it up. even if we focus on just him, he could have just misunderstood and taken it as a chance to seem like town. Or just the idea of playing it might have not crossed his mind. Idk. I do see your logic and it makes sense but i made the mistake in my last game of being too leniant in town reading people for things so for me its not enough to say i have a town lean on him

[nancy]

Anyway, I already feel pretty good about this game considering it's only page 4.

I like Trinity's kind of guileless attitude, it doesn't feel put on and she doesn't feel nervous. I basically agree with stan's take that it's sorta villagery to have had the thought that she should keep her vote on someone who is active. Could be that she's just trying to do the Right Thing as a wolf, I guess, but that's not really how I'm feeling it.

Sort of like the way FF put down his thoughts on Flicker then immediately oopsed and said he had meant to wait for a response to her. It feels like a bit of a town thing to have thoughts on something that you're holding on to, and I think if he was mafia he would probably be more aware of what he was doing, rather than just plopping them down right away. I'm not a huge fan of way he's using logic there, feels a little forced, but I also thought the way Flicker held on to her vote was a little off, and I can believe that he just took that feeling a little further than I did.

The way OkaPoka is asking people questions feels good, I guess. It's not much but it's a start. I like that he was looking into Flicker's mindset rather than just laying down a superficial take that she was scummy for being self-conscious or something like that.

stan feels super relaxed and I guess I'm reading that as a town thing at this point. I like his Trinity read probably more than anything that's happened so far, I think. It really shows that he's looking for her motivation there and not being lazy with the way he's thinking about the game.

Sorta dislike SA a little, mostly just that he laid down and a vote without commenting on anything that was happening in his first, and hasn't really done anything since. Moar posts, pls.

Peeps should tell me if they think anything I just wrote is insane.

[nancy]

Right, i see your logic but i don't agree. By that logic you should have a town lean on all players because nobody played it up. even if we focus on just him, he could have just misunderstood and taken it as a chance to seem like town. Or just the idea of playing it might have not crossed his mind. Idk. I do see your logic and it makes sense but i made the mistake in my last game of being too leniant in town reading people for things so for me its not enough to say i have a town lean on him

Yeah, cool. I don't think it really moves the needle for me in any meaningful way on its own, but if we're near the end of the dayphase and I have an ISO full of things I kinda like a little bit and nothing I dislike, am probably going to townread that person, at least to some degree.

[Flicker]

@nancy what are the point of these questions, especially question number 3

Now that nancy's responded, I want to know: What was the point of

this

question? You don't seem to have a problem with them, given you answered them (in post 18, although with less detail than basically everyone else). It also seems fairly obvious that at least one of the ways nancy uses them is for hunting, given how she'd already started sorting people based on their answers (12, 15). Plus, it seems a little off to me how it took you so long to wonder about them.

[Micc]

Votecount 1.03

Formerfish (3) -

OkaPoka, IcemanCh, TrinityNZ

IcemanCh (1) -

Formerfish

OkaPoka (1) -

stan1ey

stan1ey (1) -

SargeAlpha

SargeAlpha (1) -

nancy

Not Voting (2) -

Prologue, Flicker

With 9 players alive it takes 5 votes to lynch.

The deadline for Day 1 is paused at 10 days until all players have confirmed.

Prodding SargeAlpha.

[Formerfish]

Fuck. I meant to not answer that until they said something, but I just smoked a bowl on the shitter and forgot.

UNVOTE: maggie

VOTE: FormerFish

Not a fan of drug references

Um. Why are you voting him? Do you think it's scummy that he made a drug reference? I feel like I'm missing something.

I thought we were still in RVS, and as Maggie is being replaced, and isn’t around, thought I’d switch my vote. So I didn’t think the drug reference was scummy, but just the reason for my random vote.

I was going to say, me being stoned is definitely NAI. I can do that from either side of the aisle.

[Formerfish]

Sort of like the way FF put down his thoughts on Flicker then immediately oopsed and said he had meant to wait for a response to her. It feels like a bit of a town thing to have thoughts on something that you're holding on to, and I think if he was mafia he would probably be more aware of what he was doing, rather than just plopping them down right away.

I'm not a huge fan of way he's using logic there

, feels a little forced, but I also thought the way Flicker held on to her vote was a little off, and I can believe that he just took that feeling a little further than I did.

Its just that I'm having flashbacks to another newer player that like 3 of us just played a game with, 2.8. He was very stuck on rules and procedures during the game he was scum, and im pretty sure trinity was the partner there. He kept talking about procedures and how he wasnt sure if he was following them correctly. It led to his lynch on day 1.

To me the idea that someone is going to scrutinize everything you say is one from scum. As town I dont give a shit what I say or how I say it. I can either back it up or i end up being wrong and I may end up eating rope. If I'm a PR then that sucks, but as a VT one can only dream of eating the n1 kill. As scum I am much more aware of what I say and when. Everything I do is crafted to try and prey upon someones weak spot.

I've also quite recently played with a new player who awkwardly played rvs in that game and he ended up being scum.

This is all anecdotal.

[OkaPoka]

@nancy what are the point of these questions, especially question number 3

Now that nancy's responded, I want to know: What was the point of

this

question? You don't seem to have a problem with them, given you answered them (in post 18, although with less detail than basically everyone else). It also seems fairly obvious that at least one of the ways nancy uses them is for hunting, given how she'd already started sorting people based on their answers (12, 15). Plus, it seems a little off to me how it took you so long to wonder about them.

because some people like to play RQS over RVS and usually RQS ends up with a stalled game with no where to go because game quickly devolves into asking questions about NAI things.

[nancy]

@nancy what are the point of these questions, especially question number 3

Now that nancy's responded, I want to know: What was the point of

this

question? You don't seem to have a problem with them, given you answered them (in post 18, although with less detail than basically everyone else). It also seems fairly obvious that at least one of the ways nancy uses them is for hunting, given how she'd already started sorting people based on their answers (12, 15). Plus, it seems a little off to me how it took you so long to wonder about them.

I sorta don't believe that these are things that bother you?

Feels a little more like you're looking for ways to dumpster him for not looking sexy than having legitimate concerns with what his motivations are. Particularly the way that you're kind of passive aggressively painting what he's doing as scummy without actually committing to a scumread. I'd expect that kind of approach when you've maybe had a scumread for a while and been stewing over it and there's just nothing about the person that you like, not in a super early game situation where first impressions are still being made pretty much.

So, uh, why is it scummy to you that he didn't ask me about the RQS thing right away? Why is it a bad thing that he asked me about something that you felt should be obvious? I don't necessarily agree that it should have been obvious and I don't think there's anything super harmful in asking that kind of question, so please help me see why you do?

I don't understand your approach here and I'd like to understand it so if you could talk more about what you're thinking / doing that would be super helpful.

Vote: Flicker

[nancy]

Sort of like the way FF put down his thoughts on Flicker then immediately oopsed and said he had meant to wait for a response to her. It feels like a bit of a town thing to have thoughts on something that you're holding on to, and I think if he was mafia he would probably be more aware of what he was doing, rather than just plopping them down right away.

I'm not a huge fan of way he's using logic there

, feels a little forced, but I also thought the way Flicker held on to her vote was a little off, and I can believe that he just took that feeling a little further than I did.

Its just that I'm having flashbacks to another newer player that like 3 of us just played a game with, 2.8. He was very stuck on rules and procedures during the game he was scum, and im pretty sure trinity was the partner there. He kept talking about procedures and how he wasnt sure if he was following them correctly. It led to his lynch on day 1.

To me the idea that someone is going to scrutinize everything you say is one from scum. As town I dont give a shit what I say or how I say it. I can either back it up or i end up being wrong and I may end up eating rope. If I'm a PR then that sucks, but as a VT one can only dream of eating the n1 kill. As scum I am much more aware of what I say and when. Everything I do is crafted to try and prey upon someones weak spot.

I've also quite recently played with a new player who awkwardly played rvs in that game and he ended up being scum.

This is all anecdotal.

This is like, extremely nebulous but I am townreading you for all of this, lmao.

[nancy]

because some people like to play RQS over RVS and usually RQS ends up with a stalled game with no where to go because game quickly devolves into asking questions about NAI things.

Hum. Either a) the questions asked in RQS were bad, or b) the people in the game didn't know how to push the game forward. I don't think RQS as a thing is ever going to be at fault for the game stalling.

Sure, in mafiascum meta people are more familiar with just tunneling on stupid nonsense and yelling at each other, which lends itself better to RVS than RQS for obvious reasons, and might feel uncomfortable actually treating each other with decency and approaching the game from a more reasonable standpoint, but to say that RQS is to blame for people not knowing how to handle it properly is, um, sorta shortsighted, I think.

[nancy]

Also like, I have the starts of two townreads and a scumread from how people responded to the discussion around RQS, so to say that it's not good for generating reads just ain't truth.

[nancy]

Prodding SargeAlpha.

Why no Iceman prod?

[Micc]

Prods are issued after 30 hours of inactivity not 27.

Prodding IcemanCh now.

[nancy]

Oh my bad, lmao.

Thanks.

[Micc]

Prologue has not picked up their role PM and is being replaced.

[OkaPoka]

because some people like to play RQS over RVS and usually RQS ends up with a stalled game with no where to go because game quickly devolves into asking questions about NAI things.

Hum. Either a) the questions asked in RQS were bad, or b) the people in the game didn't know how to push the game forward. I don't think RQS as a thing is ever going to be at fault for the game stalling.

Sure, in mafiascum meta people are more familiar with just tunneling on stupid nonsense and yelling at each other, which lends itself better to RVS than RQS for obvious reasons, and might feel uncomfortable actually treating each other with decency and approaching the game from a more reasonable standpoint, but to say that RQS is to blame for people not knowing how to handle it properly is, um, sorta shortsighted, I think.

i guess it is shortsighted but you are the IC so you have some semblance of authority making it easy for scum!you to try and derail the game into non scumhunt mode. apathy and inaction are probably some of the leading causes of town losses in non role madness setups.

[Micc]

Eragon replaces Prologue.

[nancy]

because some people like to play RQS over RVS and usually RQS ends up with a stalled game with no where to go because game quickly devolves into asking questions about NAI things.

Hum. Either a) the questions asked in RQS were bad, or b) the people in the game didn't know how to push the game forward. I don't think RQS as a thing is ever going to be at fault for the game stalling.

Sure, in mafiascum meta people are more familiar with just tunneling on stupid nonsense and yelling at each other, which lends itself better to RVS than RQS for obvious reasons, and might feel uncomfortable actually treating each other with decency and approaching the game from a more reasonable standpoint, but to say that RQS is to blame for people not knowing how to handle it properly is, um, sorta shortsighted, I think.

i guess it is shortsighted but you are the IC so you have some semblance of authority making it easy for scum!you to try and derail the game into non scumhunt mode. apathy and inaction are probably some of the leading causes of town losses in non role madness setups.

Um, I'm pretty sure that would be against IC rules. Like, if I'm mafia then I am straight up not allowed to lie about theory stuff to benefit my wincon. If I did then I would be banned as IC. This is why the IC role is so important in newbies. You need someone to be able to talk about theory stuff that you can trust to be truthful regardless of their alignment.

You're right that if I'm mafia I super want to derail the game and have people not scumhunting, though. I would just manipulate my position as the most experienced player to do that, not my role as IC specifically. Like, I can totally make shit up like "hey we should lynch this townie who claimed cop, that would totally be the best idea ever, right guys???" but I can't speak as IC and say "yeah it's optimal to lynch someone who claims a role".

Really just treat me as any other player and try not to think too much about the fact that I'm the IC when you're trying to get a read on me and such, because uhm, I actually am just another player and I'm not special in any way whatsoever in that capacity.

Also, kinda think it's a teensy bit towny that you're thinking about this, lmao.

[nancy]

Then again the way you worded that "leading causes of town losses" etc. feels a little brittle. Hrm. What are Tone Reads.

[nancy]

Also like, I'm pretty obviously not trying to derail the game into non-scumhunting mode I think, lmao, so yeah actually that's a pretty detached thought to have and from that perspective it doesn't really feel genuine, hm. You can join the poopoo list.

[nancy]

What are Pregame Readscales lmao

nancy ~ )) ---- )) ---- stan - FF, Trinity - [Iceman, Eragon] % )) - > SA, OkaPoka - Flicker )) ~

[nancy]

@nancy what are the point of these questions, especially question number 3

Now that nancy's responded, I want to know: What was the point of

this

question? You don't seem to have a problem with them, given you answered them (in post 18, although with less detail than basically everyone else). It also seems fairly obvious that at least one of the ways nancy uses them is for hunting, given how she'd already started sorting people based on their answers (12, 15). Plus, it seems a little off to me how it took you so long to wonder about them.

because some people like to play RQS over RVS and usually RQS ends up with a stalled game with no where to go because game quickly devolves into asking questions about NAI things.

Hey, @FF @stan @Trinity, does this feel like a scum-scum interaction to you? Feel free to punt on it.