NY214: Project Pinecone (Game over! Town wins!)

[the worst]

@Hit what the fuck possessed you to out the vig?
Explaun your result and thought process in full.

[HitAlt]

My questions would have allowed you to say YES to the 1st question and just ignore the other two.
Also if you were the vig- why on earth did you NOT hint at it then? You are able to subtly hint what you did, and the way you answered me doesn't fit you being vig AT ALL.
I'll say it again - I have stalked you extensively on site, and I know your MO well enough.

This hasn't been the way town!Duck operates. He is either Maf or SK. (depending on whether anyone feels like CCing the Dram-kill. Not sure if anyone should)

I am a Detective who knows if anyone has even TRIED to kill anyone during the game. Duck has.
That is why I wanted to not be straight in case he was a vig (

which I guarantee he is not at this point btw

)

[HitAlt]

To make it clear - IF Duck had been better with his answers from the get go, I would have had no trouble beliving him and absolutely done anything in my power to swerve the attention to myself rather than on him.

I'll try to map my chain of thought for why this extends beyond Ducky and potentially implicates brass as well, but I'll get to that once I can sit down and use a computer for change.

[the worst]

ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhh I forgot that thing
which is funny bc I've had that exact role

[the worst]

hold on no map it

I thought you were sitting spr rolecop guilty and trying to position me as sk which is why I was sketvhy

Then you asked for a message claim which threw me hard

[the worst]

Hit if you're actually scum here I'm gonna be shook af you'd better town tell from here on

Yo, duck, welcome back to the town block!

VOTE: Taly

thank u naic to be her

@Taly we should jam when you're around

I think your scumread on me is pretty bad and I think you know it too, there's just not a lot of other reads to arrive at with me atm.

pedit: uuuhhhhhhh no
imo dram was obvscum so I was kinda just proceeding on that basis yday

getting off his wagon was literally because you and MoI strongarmed me for mechanical reasons. which were probably reasonable but still didn't change my reads.

Hey Duck

- you satisfied with how your night went?
Did you receive a message of any kind?

I was a little lonely last night : ( and no I didn't receive any messages

Hey Duck

- you satisfied with how your night went?
Did you receive a message of any kind?

I was a little lonely last night : ( and no I didn't receive any messages

Assume I'm capable of doing the tango with the lingo.
And know that I'm not satisfied with your answer here, so...care to elaborate a bit more on how your night really was?

goodness Hit~
what I get up to in the confines of my own bedroom is entirely my business.

are we really going down this path? because I greatly value my privacy.

dw Hit that's not an easy message to ignore.

@rask I'd say "buy me dinner first" but I guess its all the same thing.

^^^^^ sorting vig as hard as I'll ever soft vig (I will not soft vig or clean invest)

[xyzzy]

HitAlt, when you ask bizarre, vague questions without explaining yourself in an attempt to trap someone, you irrevocably taint the usefulness of any data you might be creating. your line of questioning today has been baseless and unhinged and comically aggressive, but you expect the worst to just play along with your pointless nonsense. that's unlikely to work on

anyone

regardless of meta or alignment, and trying to frame this as you having caught scum in a trap is just not remotely accurate.

[the worst]

XYZZY HOW DARE YOJ HAVE THE AUDACITY TO ROLL SCUM.

[HitAlt]

hold on no map it

I thought you were sitting spr rolecop guilty and trying to position me as sk which is why I was sketvhy

Then you asked for a message claim which threw me hard

Well I obviously didn't want you to know what you were "supposed" to claim.

[xyzzy]

XYZZY HOW DARE YOJ HAVE THE AUDACITY TO ROLL SCUM.

I did no such thing! how dare you use the power of the double mech to make such an accusation

[HitAlt]

HitAlt, when you ask bizarre, vague questions without explaining yourself in an attempt to trap someone, you irrevocably taint the usefulness of any data you might be creating. your line of questioning today has been baseless and unhinged and comically aggressive, but you expect the worst to just play along with your pointless nonsense. that's unlikely to work on

anyone

regardless of meta or alignment, and trying to frame this as you having caught scum in a trap is just not remotely accurate.

Except that it made all the difference in the world to me.
Note that TW didn't only NOT hint being a vig, but he also outright fell for my trap with saying he got a PM-confirmation. Now what would that be for a Vig?

I am certain TW is scum, now we can move on with the game.
If the majority refuses to lynch him, then there isn't much I can do.
I trust in my loud buddy to keep protecting me, so I have no problems with me claiming anymore.

Now I'm gonna move on from this, and try to actually read D1 with dramonic confirmed.

[the worst]

hold on no map it

I thought you were sitting spr rolecop guilty and trying to position me as sk which is why I was sketvhy

Then you asked for a message claim which threw me hard

Well I obviously didn't want you to know what you were "supposed" to claim.

yes and I had zero interest in softing vig


pedit: yeah pine came back with "action received"
No I didn't get a messenger action

[Taly]

I am certain TW is scum, now we can move on with the game.

So I'm guessing you believe

TW

is an SK?

What was the second guilty you were talking about?

... I officially hate when a dayphase becomes a claim-city.

[Taly]

ugh, damnit

I don't think I have

"too many townreads"

but literally only a fraction of them are working together or think the other is town, and that is partially through role claims and results and even questioning all of that right now is a basket of WIFOM

-_-*...

I don't have obvious scumreads.

I'm going to ISO group starting in

{Sky, Elbirn, xyzzy}

There is a high probability that

xyzzy

and

Hit

were direct counters to the

dramonic

wagon

Also, taking a mental note that

HeWhoSwims

hasn't post yet.

[HitAlt]

What was the second guilty you were talking about?

Trying to up the pressure on him.
And making it seem like my guilty was a track/watch to maybe get him to implicate hinself further.

[HitAlt]

But like said, enough about claimtalk for now.
I'll keep my vote on TW for the rest of the day/game if need be, but I'll start ISOing other people after work anyway.

[Taly]

I assume you're not a fan of

"leashing the SK"

strategy?

[Taly]

y'know

VOTE: HitAlt

this is still the right choice

Please spell this out to me as why, because I see no world where

Hit

is an SK, and the likelihood he is scum with

Dram

is very, very unlikely in my eyes.

[the worst]

What was the second guilty you were talking about?

Trying to up the pressure on him.
And making it seem like my guilty was a track/watch to maybe get him to implicate hinself further.

But like said, enough about claimtalk for now.
I'll keep my vote on TW for the rest of the day/game if need be, but I'll start ISOing other people after work anyway.

HitAlt, when you ask bizarre, vague questions without explaining yourself in an attempt to trap someone, you irrevocably taint the usefulness of any data you might be creating. your line of questioning today has been baseless and unhinged and comically aggressive, but you expect the worst to just play along with your pointless nonsense. that's unlikely to work on

anyone

regardless of meta or alignment, and trying to frame this as you having caught scum in a trap is just not remotely accurate.

Except that it made all the difference in the world to me.
Note that TW didn't only NOT hint being a vig, but he also outright fell for my trap with saying he got a PM-confirmation. Now what would that be for a Vig?

I am certain TW is scum, now we can move on with the game.
If the majority refuses to lynch him, then there isn't much I can do.
I trust in my loud buddy to keep protecting me, so I have no problems with me claiming anymore.

Now I'm gonna move on from this, and try to actually read D1 with dramonic confirmed.

yeah na

Explain your thought process in outing the vig.

It was very VERY VERY fucking obvious I wasn't interested in outing myself here and was happy vaguely dismissing your claim on the basis of "yeah I'm a killer but don't you dare talk about it"



As you promised, map your thought process. Because fmpov this has been strictly anti town and voteparking to avoid vca is only making me more convinced.

this is not how town handles a soft guilty. talk to it and work through the subtext. don't tunnel for completely awful reasons and force a needless tpr claim.

[Raskolnikov]

Jesus christ what a shitshow

[Raskolnikov]

Does anyone counterclaim TW as shooting dramonic

I saw this as possible when I thought of it because TW wanted to lynch dram regardless of claim and hard fought for it against resistance until he was like "oh. okay fine." and dropped it altogether which I thought was maybe fishy but if he could just shoot the guy makes sense.

[Raskolnikov]

This setup is some boonskiies memey shit

[HitAlt]

Well, we shall see what happens then.
I bet scum are all fine leaving Duck alive for future nights because he is totally a Vig and will kill them off one by one.
/s

[Inferno390]

I perhaps have a CC on TW, but it would require some flips first.

[HitAlt]

Anyway, or the "Vigs" and fruit aside - there are still dayplay-relevant things to analyze.
I'll take a breather and return with something completely different.