NY214: Project Pinecone (Game over! Town wins!)

[brassherald]

^ I am, of course, deciding to omit the confirmed mafia prime-night jailkeeper.

[Raskolnikov]

There's potentially what if anything caused andrius' claimed "thing with chickadee" PM as a loose thread but I think that's everything.

[Taly]

Yeah, leashing

TW

regardless seems helpful at the moment, maybe? Idfk.

I have gameplay reason to believe

TW

is just a town vig, because why else would he shoot the person he wanted dead even after a claim? He was risking his neck for scrutiny if he was wrong and I don't think SK is that ballsy, usually.

Maybe I'm reading too much into

Dram's

wincon...?

This is my general thought process on

TW

.

IF SOMEONE HAS A CC ON TW SHOOTING DRAMONIC, THEN CLAIM IT.

[Raskolnikov]

I think we have to wagon the more nullscum quiet folks who could have a dram association now.
There has to be scum in the claims by now obviously but there has to be scum outside them as well and I think that's probably the better focus right now.

[Inferno390]

I guessing my role does SOMETHING
I just don’t know what yet
Or if that’s even correct
But

[Taly]

What are your reads on

Elbirn, xyzzy, and Sky

at the moment?

I'll post what I've been on/off typing about the ISO group tonight.

[brassherald]

Okay, I think centralizing all the claims is the first step to sorting out the craziness that has been day 2.

Pedit: Also, by the way, there are sample role PMs on the first page, so, maybe next game read those, it would have really calmed down day 2 if any of us had. I definitely did not until this morning. As I don't actually read things all that often.

[Raskolnikov]

Ausuka why did you choose to target me?

[brassherald]

I guessing my role does SOMETHING
I just don’t know what yet
Or if that’s even correct
But

I feel like this would not be allowed in normal. However, I cannot find anything on the wiki to specifically say it isn't

[Raskolnikov]

Visitor is a role
It's like a silent fruit vendor if that makes sense, visits but no effect on target.
Kinda just there to throw false positives on like tracker kinds of things but sometimes gets modified to like weak visitor to actually do something

[brassherald]

Also, just to tinfoil these fruit vendors completely: What if one is a loyal fruit vendor for town and the other is a disloyal fruit vendor for the scum team?

P-Edit: I know visitor is a role, but I don't think he can secretly like stab dramonic to death when he visits.

[the worst]

What was the second guilty you were talking about?

Trying to up the pressure on him.
And making it seem like my guilty was a track/watch to maybe get him to implicate hinself further.

But like said, enough about claimtalk for now.
I'll keep my vote on TW for the rest of the day/game if need be, but I'll start ISOing other people after work anyway.

HitAlt, when you ask bizarre, vague questions without explaining yourself in an attempt to trap someone, you irrevocably taint the usefulness of any data you might be creating. your line of questioning today has been baseless and unhinged and comically aggressive, but you expect the worst to just play along with your pointless nonsense. that's unlikely to work on

anyone

regardless of meta or alignment, and trying to frame this as you having caught scum in a trap is just not remotely accurate.

Except that it made all the difference in the world to me.
Note that TW didn't only NOT hint being a vig, but he also outright fell for my trap with saying he got a PM-confirmation. Now what would that be for a Vig?

I am certain TW is scum, now we can move on with the game.
If the majority refuses to lynch him, then there isn't much I can do.
I trust in my loud buddy to keep protecting me, so I have no problems with me claiming anymore.

Now I'm gonna move on from this, and try to actually read D1 with dramonic confirmed.

yeah na

Explain your thought process in outing the vig.

It was very VERY VERY fucking obvious I wasn't interested in outing myself here and was happy vaguely dismissing your claim on the basis of "yeah I'm a killer but don't you dare talk about it"



As you promised, map your thought process. Because fmpov this has been strictly anti town and voteparking to avoid vca is only making me more convinced.

this is not how town handles a soft guilty. talk to it and work through the subtext. don't tunnel for completely awful reasons and force a needless tpr claim.

[the worst]

until HitAlt satisfactory explains what was going through his fucking head he's the d2 lynch

he knows I was behind the dram shot here. It was blatantly obvious and he's not stupid.

[Raskolnikov]

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D2 claims

MagnaofIllusion - claim loyal fruit vendor with inno on andrius
Ausuka - claim loyal fruit vendor with inno on raskolnikov
brassherald - claim activateable bp that actived n1
the worst - claim vig with dramonic shot
HitAlt - claim idk some kind of invest, gets notified of killing action attempts. received loud
Chickadee - claim vengeful town
Inferno390 - claim town visitor, visited dramonic n1

Andrius - ? receive something about chickadee, banana inno(?)
Raskolnikov - ? receive banana inno
Elbirn, Skygazer, xyzzy, HeWhoSwims, Taly, Profii

Also in game/Loose ends
-andrius chickadee thing said received
-hitalt loud said received

OP says WRT mafia action plus kill

As per Normal rules, you may not use a role-based ability in the same night as a factional ability (including factional kill) unless your role PM specifically permits you.

Unfortunately this is slightly open ended but I think this probably is just referring to stuff like modifiers like strongman or ninja rather than like any usual mafia PR to act on same night as kill.
Dramonic role PM for example could not act+kill. TBH it's very possible dramonic was chosen to kill as his role couldn't function n1 but if not would look for goon or something.

Also anyone with verified action could not have killed. Right now ausuka fmpov, and probably MoI (unless gambiting with scumpartner andy but sounds utterly absurd). brass and inferno claimed action lastnight too but no way to verify so. TW as a special case, no one CC'd dram kill afaik. Not really any conclusions from this at least now and also given dram could very possibly just have been sent.

[Raskolnikov]

Also, just to tinfoil these fruit vendors completely: What if one is a loyal fruit vendor for town and the other is a disloyal fruit vendor for the scum team?

Probably the case if one scum.
Though if it's disloyal that's some WIFOM all right. MoI could have andrius just fake receiving a banana then you see MoI flip disloyal. Still weird though.

[Raskolnikov]

VOTE: elbirn
Possible xyzzy was cw to dram here.

also maybe minor but

This posting is worthless just be hammered already

This is kinda lolscum message to flub too imo. (scum sometimes like to justify a lynch this way as the person's own fault and as a play thing over read)

I liked elbirn's earlier devil may care attitude but he seems to fit dram moreso than someone like HWS.

[Chickadee]

Also, just to tinfoil these fruit vendors completely: What if one is a loyal fruit vendor for town and the other is a disloyal fruit vendor for the scum team?

P-Edit: I know visitor is a role, but I don't think he can secretly like stab dramonic to death when he visits.

Honestly when I was catching up over the last 5 paged, this was my thought. 2 fruit vendors, one town, and one scum.



I really think MOI is town here, but I also think ausuka is town, so I’m torn. I’ll take my personal laptop with me to work today so I can spend some time with this game maybe. Depends on how busy I am.

[HeWhoSwims]

Chick/tw did you guys have modifiers? So many roles have and perhaps it's good to have yours too if you have them.

[Andrius]

This setup is some boonskiies memey shit

A G R E E D

Actually loyal fruit vendor is useless now because anyone can claim to get fruit...

Now if we force people to claim who received fruit BEFORE the vendors tell people who they SENT fruit too.
This does NOT work if there are redirectors in the game which I would THINK are non-normal but given the roles in this "normal" game then who knows for sure.

We can still do this.

Big question right now - do we milk the Venge D2 or D3?

Because that'll affect my approach this dayphase.

No because she's near-confirmed town via me.

VOTE: the worst

I'm considering it given my gut says its a SK. But.

There's potentially what if anything caused andrius' claimed "thing with chickadee" PM as a loose thread but I think that's everything.

I'm confirming Chickadee for now and the 'thing' was Pine's decided flavor which I decided to use as a lead. No bearing on the game. We're good.

Yeah, leashing TW regardless seems helpful at the moment, maybe? Idfk.

No.
Leashing SK not a great idea.

Chickadee - claim vengeful town, confirmed via Andy
Andrius - ? Confirming Chickadee via me, banana inno(?)

FTFY


Wheeeee not playing mafia and just coasting on PR claims.
I disagree with leashing the Vig/SK in theory. Not sure if I want to test TW and just lynch them or.

Idk why Inferno claimed as his role is near-useless but ok.

[brassherald]

Redirectors are explicitly non normal.

[Andrius]

I'll take that with a grain of salt given Pine is modding this game.

[brassherald]

I'll take that with a grain of salt given Pine is modding this game.

But, this game did go through normal review, and redirector is blacklisted

[Andrius]

The fact that Godfather is non-normal makes me sad.
Framer is understandable as, while I love the role in theory, it would be completely un-fun to play a Cop in a setup where a Framer exists.

[Raskolnikov]

I'm confirming Chickadee for now and the 'thing' was Pine's decided flavor which I decided to use as a lead. No bearing on the game. We're good.

Can you clarify
Did you receive information that makes you believe chickadee is town or are you speculating.

[Raskolnikov]

Mmm I want people to talk to scumhunting and not solely on PR things here despite all the things there.
Comment on my xyzzy and elbirn posts.