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Post Post #1725 (ISO) » Fri Jul 13, 2018 6:53 am

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ISO Group - Xyzzy, Sky, Elbirn ((First 600 Posts))


I don't know why
Elbirn
pushed the entrance that he's scum and in hindsight.
Also, him asking
Inferno
why he isn't voting him in light of this feels a bit off

I don't get
xyzzy's
where he townreads
Elbirn
but proceeds to point out why
Elbirn's
scumread is town and votes
Rask
with confidence that he's scum.

Sky
agrees with
xyzzy's
assessment, but goes further and says that
Rask
is LAMIST...
Elbrn
points out that this buzzword is unhelpful but that doesn't factor in his read or make him question
Sky
.

Elbirn
expresses he doesn't understand how
Rask
was posting well as
TW
said, but then turns around and votes
Gustavo
after townreading
Inferno
.

Literally nothing for either 3 of them for 200 posts.
is basically
xyzzy
realizing just how low his content is.

Sky
re-evaluates
Rask
and townreads
Brass, Elbirn, MOI
while questioning the
Gustavo
scumread.

is where
Xyzzy
gives his thoughts on posts that were 200+ POSTS AGO.
-
Like
Sky
, he reiterates how
Rask's
entrance is unlikely to be town, but minimizes
Elbirn's
self-vote as a throwaway joke with little ground.
-
Says
Brass, MOI, Inferno
and
profii
are town to an extent
-
States that
Gustavo (Andrius slot)
is a scumpost but doesn't elaborate or push it.

Elbirn
literally keeps up this stance with
Inferno
of
"now outline and shout to everyone why I'm scum"
without actually trying to understand why the scumread is there or looking into
Inferno's
motives for it... Does not give anything worthwhile when
Dram
is mentioned.

...eww.

Literally
Sky
is doing what
Elbirn
is in a different way - deflecting from the scumreads on her without actually evaluating them. Takes it a step further to distance herself and invalidate the reads on without explaining why.
Sky
states that it's difficult to gamesolve with the game content, but doesn't ask questions or try to resolve that issue.
With really no other prompt
Sky
brings up that she wasn't fond of
Dave
and
Chickadee
's responses and says they haven't posted content...
...while this is likely true at the time, I'm of the opinion is that she posted this to strengthen her previous two posts in why scumreading her is not effective.

is another
Xyzzy
post-by-post link on things that aren't fully caught up to the game yet, but he IS showing consistent read progression.
-
Townreads
Rask, HeWhoSwims, Dave (my slot)

-
Asks
Sky
about her townread on
Elbirn
((townpoints to
xyzzy
here))

-
Asks
Chick
on her thoughts of the gamestate and her reads.

Elbirn
brings up an argument for
Chickadee
-scum based off her gameplay to
Flubb

-
Never votes
Chickadee

-
Again, stings at
Inferno's
read of him by saying it's weaksauce but doing nothing about it.
This post just feels like it was made to create doubt and muddy the game.
Is an expansion of this thought, but where was the follow-up?

is
Sky
defending her townread on
Elbirn
and brings up her scumreads...
Where's her vote on any of them?

Early Assessment:
Unlike
Sky
and
Elbirn
who diverts attention from reads on them,
Xyzzy
is not only showing his reads and elaborates by going post-to-post, but he's also ENGAGING with people he suspects in a manner of understanding them.

Notes-

Elbirn
never followed up on his
Gustavo
read or really, his
Chickadee
read either.
Sky
is almost virtually parroting people's reads who aren't being suspected, this was more true before she explained her townreads, though.
Xyzzy
feels lynchbaity at the moment, even early in this game.
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Post Post #1726 (ISO) » Fri Jul 13, 2018 6:53 am

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ISO Group Xyzzy, Sky, Elbirn ((600-900 Post Number))


is another
Xyzzy
post and the more I read him, the better I'm starting to feel about his alignment. Let's deduce facts here. He's also up-to-date with posts now.
-
Brings up how
Flub's
response isn't good but elabroates on why it isn't.
-
Isn't a fan of a
Hit
post, and explains why.
-
Reverses on his
Inferno
townread but shows the multiple posts that led him to this thought.
-
Townreads
Sky, Andrius, Dave (my slot)

-
States that a post can seem bussy between
Dram-Inferno
, something to note.

Elbirn
disregards talking about his scumreads, and to hell with whoever he's townreading, but he's openly giving a reality on how
Hit
is scum but doesn't act on that.
Elbirn
votes
Hit
for lackluster posts but provides even more lackluster reasoning imo. What about his previous scumreads on
Chick
and the
Andrius
slot?
Seems confused by something
xyzzy
said...?
Drops his push on
Hit
, and pretty much votes me because I said my slot was town and that made me feel better about meta-reading
Dave
in the future...

it is VERY unclear who
Elbirn
is talking about here. Even he was talking about
Hit
, I don't feel to keen on saying someone's posts are
"nonsensical babble"


Oh look,
Sky's
posting a scumread on
Hit
while asking me questions.
Didn't she already say she felt
Dave (my slot
was scum, alongside
Flub
and
Chickadee
earlier??? If I'm misreading? I don't know where her reads are at and her vote's not following it since it's not being used.

Xyzzy
expresses his dislike for
Hit's
posting again.

Sky
votes
Hit
out of her presumably multiple suspects because...
Hit's
becoming the playerlist's public enemy?
If she really thought
Hit
were scum, why is she voting him for
"pressure"
?

With this... I kind of feel like
Hit
was intended to be a counterwagon to town-
Flub
. is her saying that she doesn't want votes on him prior to a response.

Xyzzy
follows suit on
Hit
wagon with , but he's actually providing reason to his insights, so it's easier following him.

Elbirn
finally decides that
Hit
is playing poorly and not scum without reasoning... and says he'll probably change his mind again tomorrow, so his post is effectively useless, as was his read originally. He also points out once again on why people are townreading him, but he doesn't confront an individual. It just sounds like there's no real reason for him to be townread, and he knows it.
But he doesn't do anything to change that.

is
Sky
saying
Hit
is lining up mislynches through his honeypot, but doesn't expand on her individual thoughts on the reads/names he brought up.
((Which were Ausuka, Brassherald, Dave (Me), Chickadee, Sky, The Worst around this time))

is
Sky
focused on people's scumreads on her again, while stating how scummy
Hit's
reads are
...yawn.

Early Assessment:
Xyzzy
is easily the most pro-town out of these 3 as he's actually coherent with his thinking.
Sky
could be town but I'm not looking favorably at her when it comes to associatives with scum and who I think could be scum.
Elbirn
is like a huge ball of dark crimson red because there's nothing in his posts to actually suggest he's town. The motive of
Elbirn/Sky's
posts aren't so oriented in gamesolving... more or less pushing their reads or not doing anything else.

Notes-

Elbirn
hasn't really pushed anyone the entire game aside from refuting those who have suspected or questioned him weakly.
Sky
is on that
"Let's fight
Hit
"
bandwagon, so good to know...
Xyzzy
didn't have much of any suspicion on him even at thos point in the game, so I'm very suspicious of the wagon that was formed on him near EoD1. He seems more likely town based off of this alone.
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Post Post #1727 (ISO) » Fri Jul 13, 2018 6:53 am

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ISO Group Xyzzy, Sky, Elbirn ((900 To Present))


is
Sky
perpetuating that
Flub's
response to me is not good.
Sky
gives reads in but they're vague and don't really help anyone decipher why she comes to her conclusions.

Xyzzy
giving
HeWhoSwims
, a townread, the benefit of the doubt actually rings to me as natural.

Not fond of the follow up , why is bad to want to lynch someone's scumleans?
Sky
seems to have little stated reasoning behind her scumreads but
Sky
has PLENTY of people in her
"null or IDK"
list.

- I don't quite get this post from a
Sky-Dram
SvS POV, it just seems like she's adding to the suspicion on him here.

The only reason
Sky
has for justifying her votes and scumreads is something being
"flaily"
like it's supposed to be this elabroate case when in reality she's not doing anything to ratify her thoughts.
Sky
FINALLY expands on what
"flaily"
means to her, but then also talks about it being odd that
Hit
is pushing her and
Dram
, and while it IS true technically...
...Why is
Sky
concerned about
Hit's
read on
Dram
and not
Hit's
read on the MANY other people he's suspected, including her other townreads like
Brass
and etc.

I can see THIS post being a
Sky-Dram
SvS associative.

Elbirn's
alive and weakly dismisses
Flubb
again.
Elbirn
never follows up with
Sky
replying to him, she doesn't explain about how
Gustavo (Andrius slot)
was a towny-reaction to pressure where
Flub and Hit's
were not.
Weak townread on me based off
Elbirn
writing me off as emotional...
Elbirn
calls for a flashwagon on
Xyzzy
out of the blue and to say that
Xyzzy
has been fluffposting in this game makes me question if he's actually reading it.
Elbirn
also doesn't pay attention to the
dram, Hit, or Flubb
wagon here.
Elbirn
is taking more shots at
Inferno
becuase why not?

I don't know why
Elbirn, Sky
are collectively townreading me as I was pushing
Dram
when nobody was liking that wagon, it feels a bit fake.

Sky
is townreading both
Xyzzy
and
Elbirn
even in light of
Xyzzy's
post which didn't do anything.

The next several posts in the ISO is literally
Elbirn
having more problems with
Inferno's
but never doing anything about it.

Post-claim, and etc. this ends in
Sky
and
Elbirn
voting
Flub
in very close between each other. With neither of them questioning this, despite
Sky's
game-long townread on
Elbirn
for not much new reasoning, and
Elbirn
gut scumreading
Sky
but never saying anytihng else about it... this is their EoD1 votes.

Elbirn
doesn't defend his townread on me or his other reads
Flub
commented on in and
Instead, he entertains the reality on why we aren't linked together... feels like it's to muddy the waters on
Flubb's
iffy EoD reads even more unclear.

Conclusion:
With
Xyzzy
being the only person to post D2, I feel much better that he's town.
Sky-Elbirn
are by far likely associatives to
Dram
, and I'd readily believe a
Dram-Sky-Elbirn
scumteam over
Dram-HeWhoSwims-???
or
Dram-Xyzzy-???
scumteam easily. The
Xyzzy
flashwagon felt scum-engineered and fake on
Elbirn's
behalf, and the fact that
Elbirn
and
Sky
have had opposing reads most of the day without ever pushing the other - but ALSO voting to lynch
Flub
together - is EXTREMELY suspect.

Notes-

Xyzzy
and
Hit
wagons are most definitely town counterwagons in my eyes.
Sky-Elbirn
haven't posted, since they can no longer safely do their whole
"let's townread but not agree on anything!"
charade.

If
Elbirn
flips scum,
Sky
is extremely likely the final scummy here.


VOTE: Elbirn
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Post Post #1728 (ISO) » Fri Jul 13, 2018 6:54 am

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3 man scum team, taly?
I've only made one good post, and don't you dare accuse me of doing it again.
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Post Post #1729 (ISO) » Fri Jul 13, 2018 6:57 am

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I mean, 3 person scumteam isn't unusual for 17-18p.

And with the chance of an SK or 3p being here, I'm think 3p scum is MORE likely at the moment.

At the very least, I just think
Elbirn
and
Sky
have a huge associative argument together and with
Dram
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Post Post #1730 (ISO) » Fri Jul 13, 2018 6:59 am

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What do you think of hewhoswims again?
I've only made one good post, and don't you dare accuse me of doing it again.
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Post Post #1731 (ISO) » Fri Jul 13, 2018 7:01 am

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I'll read him indvidually tomorrow and see how it works with my general reads atm, I'm a bit burnt out.

I don't see anything that explicitly points to scum, but not much to point to town.
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Post Post #1732 (ISO) » Fri Jul 13, 2018 7:08 am

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In post 1695, Andrius wrote:I'll take that with a grain of salt given Pine is modding this game. :P
In post 1694, brassherald wrote:Redirectors are explicitly non normal.
This game is explicitly Normal. It's your understanding of the Normal rules that's out of date, not mine.

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Post Post #1733 (ISO) » Fri Jul 13, 2018 7:28 am

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Heads up btw

I work 6 hours tomorrow + driving lesson. And on Sunday I work 4 + I want to watch the world cup final...

I will be reading up on everything from here but I missed like 12 pages since daystart... I'll try to catch up but if someone wants to point out something REALLY important that needs me now.. Please go ahead.

Also @chick @tw can we have an answer to my earlier question
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Post Post #1734 (ISO) » Fri Jul 13, 2018 7:50 am

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I'm at least 15 pages back because y'all need to shut the fuck up
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Post Post #1735 (ISO) » Fri Jul 13, 2018 9:08 am

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Post Post #1736 (ISO) » Fri Jul 13, 2018 10:57 am

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Andrius the last few pages phew oh boy
pants on head is a trending fashion in 2018 I guess?
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Post Post #1737 (ISO) » Fri Jul 13, 2018 11:04 am

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In post 1692, HeWhoSwims wrote:Chick/tw did you guys have modifiers? So many roles have and perhaps it's good to have yours too if you have them.
my modifier is

Spoiler:
pew pew motherfuckin vigilante!!!!!!

there's no benefit in me claiming it here :P
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Post Post #1738 (ISO) » Fri Jul 13, 2018 11:05 am

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considering town power I'd say be prepared for upwards of 5 scumfucks but that's a good assessment Taly
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Post Post #1739 (ISO) » Fri Jul 13, 2018 11:07 am

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TW
Why is
Hit
more likely scum and/or a better lynch than
Elbirn
or
Sky
?

Also is
Hit
an alt?
If so is he
OnTheMark
?
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Post Post #1740 (ISO) » Fri Jul 13, 2018 11:13 am

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Also

If we have 5 scum, we are probably looking at a 3p role, OR a traitor, OR a negative utility Mafia role, potentially.

Because that means this is 12:5 which holy fuck

But this is ALL I'm going to say about 5 non-town players UNLESS we are in that situation.
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Post Post #1741 (ISO) » Fri Jul 13, 2018 11:17 am

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sooooooo I'm townreading MoI/Andrius/Ausuka/Rask - how unlikely is it for there to be two loyal fruit vendors? Because I'd really like to keep four strong town reads
I'm actually townreading HitAlt now; really don't like how T_W came off in those interactions; could get behind leashing the SK though
I believe Chickadee's vengeful claim considering the post on D1 stating she'd be a good lynch on D2/D3; don't really see it as a hail mary like MoI said due to that early crumb
I can believe that the xyzzy wagon was a counterwagon; I already said there's likely scum on it before and with HitAlt/Chickadee as townreads now I can see Elbirn as scum
xyzzy still likely town esp if elbirn is scum

I can see HWS as scum through PoE

also yall are posting too much
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Post Post #1742 (ISO) » Fri Jul 13, 2018 11:17 am

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VOTE: Elbirn
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Post Post #1743 (ISO) » Fri Jul 13, 2018 11:19 am

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In post 1739, Taly wrote:
TW
Why is
Hit
more likely scum and/or a better lynch than
Elbirn
or
Sky
?

Also is
Hit
an alt?
If so is he
OnTheMark
?
do you not find the way he claimed a guilty in me super super gross? or

he is an alt :P I asked the same thing the first time

anddddd I have no reason to strongly believe he isn't
but gut says no?
but my gut has been wrong one time before
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Post Post #1744 (ISO) » Fri Jul 13, 2018 11:27 am

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If I had to pick between Ausuka/MoI I'd actually pick MoI as scum at this point. I don't like how he sussed Chicka after that claim. Also I find it hard to believe scum-Ausuka would cc like that?? Unless it's to get a mislynch on a dangerous town player?? But I don't see Ausuka doing that if they just lost a scum partner and I'm kind of paranoid about MoI after realizing how dangerous of a scum player he apparently is.

Granted town-MoI fruiting Andrius makes sense to me, though
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Post Post #1745 (ISO) » Fri Jul 13, 2018 11:35 am

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TW

I mean yeah
Hit
did a really shady ass thing in pulling your teeth for the claim and that makes me second guess him to a degree.

But I want to powerlynch useless players who have huge associations to
Dram
and let all these claims sort themselves out

Yet up until your claim happening
TW
, I couldn't see a straightforward reality where you were town and i am no longer suspicious of a few people right now because of said claim.

And on top of the invest claim, I don't think lynching
Hit
is optimal at the moment.

Id much rather see how his next result works IF the Mafia doesn't shoot him because he's basically willingly put a bullseye on his head if he is town.

But you were correct on
Dram
being a scum PR, so I'm open to hearing how
Hit
is scum PR as well
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Post Post #1746 (ISO) » Fri Jul 13, 2018 11:38 am

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Funny that
Sky
continued with saying we all post too much while not even acknowledging my whole assessment post or mention a read on me, but then votes
Elbirn


But meh, what do I know.
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Post Post #1747 (ISO) » Fri Jul 13, 2018 11:39 am

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I think I found some profound reason to scumread Hit at the bottom of a couple of bottles of wine last night but I honestly can't recall it. I'll join you here.

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Post Post #1748 (ISO) » Fri Jul 13, 2018 11:40 am

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In post 1746, Taly wrote:Funny that
Sky
continued with saying we all post too much while not even acknowledging my whole assessment post or mention a read on me, but then votes
Elbirn


But meh, what do I know.

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Post Post #1749 (ISO) » Fri Jul 13, 2018 11:42 am

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@Taly: Your assessment on Elbirn/xyzzy is good hence the parrotting

Your assessment on me not so much but w/e
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