Mini 2018 - American Presidents Mafia (Game Over)

[the worst]

I probably disagree that team has low partner equity tbh

[Bernie Sanders]

It should probably bother you that most people in the game are scumreading you and that includes by necessity some town.

[Gustavo]

It might actually be a good idea for TheWorst/Momrangal to claim. If we're going to wait all the way until intent is given, we're probably going to scramble towards deadline and it seems pretty obvious that those are our likely options.

Da hell?

[Gustavo]

Franklin Delano Roosevelt was no stranger to his cousins, either, in fact, he married one of them, another fifth cousin, Eleanor Roosevelt.

[Gustavo]

VOTE: black

[the worst]

It should probably bother you that most people in the game are scumreading you and that includes by necessity some town.

na

[the worst]

as in it doesn't bother me, I appreciate some town are scumreading me rn

[Bernie Sanders]

it's actually high key difficult to remain engaged when
there's probs 3 scum
and i have 3 players sitting at the bottom of my reads list

like unless one of you flips town i can't really see a reason why i'd get interested in this game

If I told you there had to be town in the bottom of your reads list (because your team doesn't make sense, but just assume statement is true) what would you do

[Errantparabola]

work is actively killing me right now. I'd love to be around but can't.

[the worst]

it's actually high key difficult to remain engaged when
there's probs 3 scum
and i have 3 players sitting at the bottom of my reads list

like unless one of you flips town i can't really see a reason why i'd get interested in this game

If I told you there had to be town in the bottom of your reads list (because your team doesn't make sense, but just assume statement is true) what would you do

uhh i'm not sure why you're so confident in this
honestly i want some flips to reconsider rn

[Bernie Sanders]

I want you to bring up nauci and skitter's ISO side by side
and I want you to either reference a scumgame where you've seen scum play that association
outside of idk teammafia or scummy nominations
or otherwise explain how you think that's their scum MO.

[Bernie Sanders]

I want to see what you see

[Bernie Sanders]

Come on man. I'm starting to reconsider giving you benefit of the doubt here.

[Shoshin]

VOTE: black

lol

[Gustavo]

Franklin Delano Roosevelt was no stranger to his cousins, either, in fact, he married one of them, another fifth cousin, Eleanor Roosevelt.

Votecount 2.10

momrangal (4)

~ Bernie Sanders, skitter30, Errantparabola, the worst, Irrelephant11

the worst (2)

~ Keyser Soze, Nauci

Keyser Soze (1)

~ shoshin

Gustavo (1)

~ Not_Mafia

Not Voting (2): BlackVoid, Momrangal, Gustavo,

With 12 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Day 2 deadline is in (expired on 2018-07-15 20:30:00)

This should be 5 yes? I count 5

Yes, I can only reliably count to 4

[Gustavo]

VOTE: mom

[the worst]

@Bernie you may be overestimating how much I've put into this. it's independent scumreads with the gamestate softly supporting them as partners sometimes. I'll re-read their ISOs when I have time later though.

[Errantparabola]

I’m done with work but I’m mentally drained so I’m lowkey hoping we can just get this lynch through. If not, see you tonorrow.

[Nauci]

lol PR speculation was teacher's MO, not mine. I guess my initial feeling is that PR speculation helps scum more than town? But maybe post-full-reveal it would be more helpful to think about...

In the thread, sure

But in our thread, I'm pretty sure you looked through every possibility of fake claiming and other evaluations

I'm not sure why you wouldn't do that as town here because I'm damn sure your mind thought through the possibilities!

[Nauci]

But @nauci I'm just busy this week, I barely have time to keep up with the thread. I'd love to be much more tryhard. I could copy/paste all the wagon analysis I did on my own at the start of D2 if you want proof that I continue to be tryhardrelephant (lol the elephant portmanteaus are my fav), but like you say my effort is NAI. I'm trying my hardest, promise

Effort is AI if it provides insight to your thought process

The asking everyone questions and arbitrary statements are not

[Nauci]

It might actually be a good idea for TheWorst/Momrangal to claim. If we're going to wait all the way until intent is given, we're probably going to scramble towards deadline and it seems pretty obvious that those are our likely options.

Nothing wrong with getting two claims imo.

If Shoshin isn't the nk

[BlackVoid]

BV, what do you think of the way Nauci started questioning Key after we asked her to explain her townread on him? Doesn't seem towny to you?

She still didn't give any actual reasoning for the original townread though beyond the generalities. If she's scum townreading a partner or townreading a townie but didn't think through the reasons much in depth, I could see her potentially "re-evaluating." I didn't find it necessarily scummy, just not something I found indicative of alignment.

[BlackVoid]

It might actually be a good idea for TheWorst/Momrangal to claim. If we're going to wait all the way until intent is given, we're probably going to scramble towards deadline and it seems pretty obvious that those are our likely options.

Excuse me
We're not getting 2 claims

Blackvoid I thought you would know better than this wtf

I guess mom can claim if she wants but tbh I really don't think I'd believe any PR claim that comes out of her to begin with.

I think people undervalue how important it is to have time to discuss claims. I know it's a probably controversial opinion but I don't value concealing their claims more than I value that additional day or two we'll have to talk about them. We can then reach a consensus as opposed to last-minute deadline panic with half the playerlist not here.

[BlackVoid]

@Rask, I'm going to do an ISO of both Momrangal and TheWorst before putting down a vote but I'm actually leaning towards TheWorst at this point. Is there anything meta-wise I should know that makes him less likely to be scum? You noted yourself that his view on the gamestate makes no sense at all and his switch to Momrangal saying that he's being wagoned as a counter to that and pushing Nauci/Skitter/Momrangal as the team is really kind of a stretch. I could see Momrangal townreading him for silly reasons but the way he latched onto that and townread her back is I think even worse. Basically, Momrangal called you scummy for pushing him and his response was that her view of the gamestate is totally relatable or something of that sort which makes no sense at all.

This kinda reminds of you pushing GM in our last game and not wanting to lynch Sotty7 because a GM scumflip would clear you whereas a Sotty7 scumflip would still keep pressure on you. I hope that's not your motivation because I don't think either of Momrangal/TheWorst flipping either alignment is going change my read on you. So, I just want to work with your straightforward thoughts on them.

[Keyser Söze]

I agree that Mom should role-claim with around 24 hours left on the clock, the majority of players have her in their bottom three reads. This looks inevitable.