Newbie 1881 - Game Over

[Eragon]

I'm kind of tired of waiting around for stan to get prodded and post so I think I'm just going to go over my FF read and other things in a bit. My stomach needs food.

[nancy]

@nancy

I certainly think Flicker should have some stronger reads at the time they posted that

they posted their reads list on Page 17

Mmm. Maybe.

[nancy]

(Maybe you should ask her stuff to figure out how strong her reads are and see how that matches up with your expectations.)

[Eragon]

(oookay)


@flicker.

can you elaborate a bit more on your reads and point out specific posts that make the person seem towny or elaborate a bit more instead of just saying "attitide" "active" etc...

[OkaPoka]

@quick could you link me some games in which you replaced in and didn't go back and read?

[Quick]

Vote: Quick

I don't believe that your read on Iceman is real.

OK.

You're saying that you disagree with him or he is bad therefore he is mafia, which is nonsense.

No, I am not saying any of that. Reread my case on Ice. I said he's Scum for pushing something as Scummy that is NAI.

Your entire case on him feels like shade and I don't like it one bit. Please catch up and provide thoughts on the game.

Have you not seen someone make a case on someone before or what? What about my case on him is Shade as opposed to an actual read? Shade to me is where you try and make someone look like Scum without voting them in hopes of changing someone in the game's mind on them or just weakening people's read on them as Town. I'm not doing that considering I am actually voting him for his shit reasons for voting me.

Why the hell should I do what you say? Frankly, I don't give a shit if you don't think my read on Ice is "real" I'm voting a SR get over it. You've talked about how "tone reads mean nothing" well you saying my read on Ice isn't real is basically the same fucking thing. Unless you can actually point to examples about how my read on him is "fake" I don't want to hear it.

I feel like you are just SRing me because I made an abrupt change of vote on someone. That's not Scummy - especially when I am still developing reads.

I don't really feel like getting blackmailed by votes just because I haven't fully caught up. Clearly, you're one of those people who isn't experienced enough to know that some people just play from where they replace in. Yeah, I know I am not doing myself any favors by coming across as so abrasive, but I don't really care at this point since the only legitimate (and I use the term loosely) reason why anyone has said I am Scummy is because I haven't fully caught up yet.

[Quick]

@quick could you link me some games in which you replaced in and didn't go back and read?

No.

[OkaPoka]

but you should iso me and ff because we had a convo on iceman already

[Quick]

@nancy what are the point of these questions, especially question number 3

Now that nancy's responded, I want to know: What was the point of

this

question? You don't seem to have a problem with them, given you answered them (in post 18, although with less detail than basically everyone else). It also seems fairly obvious that at least one of the ways nancy uses them is for hunting, given how she'd already started sorting people based on their answers (12, 15). Plus, it seems a little off to me how it took you so long to wonder about them.

I sorta don't believe that these are things that bother you?

Feels a little more like you're looking for ways to dumpster him for not looking sexy than having legitimate concerns with what his motivations are. Particularly the way that you're kind of passive aggressively painting what he's doing as scummy without actually committing to a scumread.

I'd expect

that kind of approach when you've maybe had a scumread for a while and been stewing over it and there's just nothing about the person that you like, not in a super early game situation where first impressions are still being made pretty much.

So, uh, why is it scummy to you that he didn't ask me about the RQS thing right away? Why is it a bad thing that he asked me about something that you felt should be obvious? I don't necessarily agree that it should have been obvious and I don't think there's anything super harmful in asking that kind of question, so please help me see why you do?

I don't understand your approach here and I'd like to understand it so if you could talk more about what you're thinking / doing that would be super helpful.

Vote: Flicker

[Quick]

Funny you think I'm subtly shading Oka, because I felt like I was pretty explicitly scumreading him, based on him subtly shading

you

.

Wow, ok.

[Quick]

but do you policy lynch ics?

Trying to pull up a bunch of other stuff but I'll answer this now since you've asked twice.

On D1 or D2 no. After that I think you should yes. Here is why.

As a town player and IC is just a more experienced player to help find scum. To me they only have a slight advantage although most of that is lost because new players can be a pain in the ass.

As a scum player they are like a super heros. They can easily sway new players into confusion and mislynches. There is a much bigger advantage to a scum!IC.

I also feel like scum is going to night kill the active/most experienced players first. So it brings in the whole..... why is the IC still alive after a few nights?


I just think that a town!IC makes LYLO super difficult.


Of course if we have a strong read on someone other then the IC we would lynch them instead.

Tldr..... If we have no super strong roads then IC should be lynched before LYLO.

nancy, if you haven't yet, I'd like your thoughts on this.

[Micc]

Votecount 1.09

Quick (2) -

IcemanCh, nancy

OkaPoka (2) -

Flicker, Formerfish

Flicker (1) -

Stan1ey

Formerfish (1) -

TrinityNZ

TrinityNZ (1) -

OkaPoka

IcemanCh (1) -

Quick

Not Voting (1) -

Eragon

With 9 players alive it takes 5 votes to lynch.

The deadline for Day 1 is in (expired on 2018-07-23 11:49:57).

Prodding stan1ey.

[Quick]

This is..... I think.... the most beautiful post I've ever seen. The use of brain juice is amazing.

Also, you are either the best scum player ever or you are town. I'm going to lean town but I think ICs should always be lynched before LYLO.


I'm catching up and I really like your display of reads. I think it is a bit complicated and I need something to decipher it but the concept is cool.

Making me blush. Also, lmao at lynching IC's before lylo. Iceman pls.

God I'm having too much fun.

What exactly is this? you can write 400 words on describing transparency but say so little about this?

[Quick]

huh?

Your unvote is weird.

Why was it weird? He just pointed out that trinity voting brought me to l-2, and his vote was on me as well. Since his vote on me was in rvs and we are clearly out of it, it would make sense to move or at least remove a rvs vote which is currently the leading wagon based solely off of rvs votes.

Naked unvotes are wolfy.

It's slightly a meme.

Are you always this... logical?

Why no mention of FF using 2 games as Meta here?

[Quick]

VOTE: iceman

ill leave it here because i have no idea what you would want to policy lynch an IC and simultaneously compliment them

I don't like this vote from you Oka. Iceman is a newbie and he is going to have some newbie ideas. I remember the days of my first few games and I thought that I was going to change the world. I was going to make people play the game the way I thought it should be best played. I was going to lynch people to make them active and to make them change their evil ways by leading lynches on them no matter what. The idea that an IC shouldnt last very long in the game isn't without merit. Think about it. If IC is town they are the best player for town because of experience, scum will want to kill them to try and deny town their best player. If IC is scum they are never going to be killed if everyone just town reads the IC because they are teaching the game.

Most of the time getting to lynch an IC before endgame doesn't happen because scum kills them early, but when you think about it an IC playing late into the game is something to be suspect about. I don't think that there are many scum teams out there playing the long con with the IC and getting away with it, ya know?

Let's be honest here.. Probably both yourself and I have more experience than nancy.

[Quick]

it feels like it was phrased in a way that allows iceman to build upon it later to attack nancy w/o really needing to build a legitimate in game case on her

like instead of saying something about nancy feels off, feels like she is controlling town he goes with the proposition that cannot really be argued against

I don't think you're insane for thinking this.

But like, lmao, it doesn't feel very intuitive for mafia to come in the way he did and talk in detail about his idea that we should lynch the IC in lylo. He has to know that will look bad and if he's mafia he has to already be feeling like he wants me very dead with the way my thread presence is, so it's like, not a thing that he's ever actually going to cash in on and he would know that. I also kind of feel like it would take a bit more of an experienced player to try to use that as a way to break down trust, and kinda think he'd be intimidated by me given how he's a newb and newbscum generally suck up to the IC.

This kinda bugs me. IDK why people keep saying Ice is a newb when he's not.

[Quick]

well, even so we have plenty of time.

im used to 96 hour days(4 days RL) at the maximum and we have double that plus one day.

these daylengths feel abnormally long to me, but I know I have plenty of time

This was a HUGE adjustment for me at first. I was used to 48 hours.

The nights are the worst. 48 hours..... really? We do 24 or when all actions are received. Usually with 20 PRs sending in actions.

Yeah, this was the post I saw in Ice's ISO that told me he wasn't a newb.

[Quick]

OK, I'm caught up, AMA

/S

Seriously though I really hate being blackmailed to catch up in a game. Shit is just not right.

In other news, not sold on FF being Town. He got early TRs from people and that seems to have stuck for not very good reasons I don't think. FF is a good player, not ready to clear them just based on... Whatever people were TRing him for, because from what I saw, didn't see a whole lot of Town tells and def felt like I was strongly disagreeing with some of the stuff he's said so far.

[OkaPoka]

is the /s to the AMA or the being caught up

[Quick]

is the /s to the AMA or the being caught up

It's to the AMA. I already did that one.

[TrinityNZ]

OK, I'm caught up, AMA

/S

Seriously though I really hate being blackmailed to catch up in a game. Shit is just not right.

In other news, not sold on FF being Town. He got early TRs from people and that seems to have stuck for not very good reasons I don't think. FF is a good player, not ready to clear them just based on... Whatever people were TRing him for, because from what I saw, didn't see a whole lot of Town tells and def felt like I was strongly disagreeing with some of the stuff he's said so far.

Quick, what’s /s and AMA? I can’t find them on the Wiki.

I’m liking your read on FF.

[OkaPoka]

/s usually indicates sarcasm since its hard to depict on the internet

AMA stands for Ask Me Anything

[Formerfish]

Vote: Quick

I don't believe that your read on Iceman is real. You're saying that you disagree with him or he is bad therefore he is mafia, which is nonsense. Your entire case on him feels like shade and I don't like it one bit. Please catch up and provide thoughts on the game.

Are you getting a scum caught for reasons they dont believe they should have been caught kinda vibe coming off of Quick right now?

[Formerfish]

@quick could you link me some games in which you replaced in and didn't go back and read?

No.

No because you dont want to link us to those games?

Or no because those games dont exist?

[OkaPoka]

@formerfish your vote is still on me it appears, so talk to me, why am I scum still?

for visibility