NY214: Project Pinecone (Game over! Town wins!)

[profii]

I think TW is a serial killer

We clearly have a doctor as no Town death so if you’re a vig be open, get protected, rek scum. That moments passed now


Also, if our best guess is that Chickadee/Andrius are potentially lovers, I’m a little bit concerned at the wagon there -

Noting Brass’ point that one of the fruit vendors could be disloyal - that means Andrius is still inno? I’m guessing either Brass is right or the claims are legit to reduce the cop factor especially if HitAlt has a decent PR there.

Anyway, point being, if Chick/Andrius are livers, doesn’t that mean they both die if Chick lynched? Therefore we lose an inno. The wiki also says they can win as their own mini faction but I’ve not checked the new normal rules yet.

Given Chicks vengeful claim, I’m concerned she could be scum, then by killing her we lose Andrius plus another townie


Is that mechanically sound?


Anyway, going to read Talys wall on Elbirn, kinda skipped the wall posts as I’m still phone posting whilst travelling but I’ve got another couple hours in the car and it seems to be worth a read so brb!

[profii]

This really bugs me.

Some random coincidence that Taly knew TW had bullets, but if the scum-team is Taly-TW-Dram then lololol what a play

However how did Taly know TW had bullets

[Raskolnikov]

Brass was potentially shot and survived via BP though I really think he wasn't great yesterday so idk why he'd be targeted.
Now that I remember, if a fruit vendor is scum it doesn't mean that their target is town, because scum fruit vendor could just visit no one and partner could claim the fruit. Then you see disloyal in the flip and the scum gets "conftowned".
So MoI/Andy could actually be a long con in that way unfortunately (if that was the plan though it was probably planned or set up early as d1 however and not a desperation reaction of today to dram dying)
Lovers I don't think should really matter if lynching scum should lynch scum and no nk gives breathing room anyways. But chickadee claims to not know so if lovers she'd be denying or hiding it I guess.
If venge if a policy lynch approaching late that's a suicidal claim to begin with though so bizarre from chick, last time I played with chick she crumbed her role too so idk.

Mechanics spec is one thing though, stances or reads on play please.

[brassherald]

@Mod my fiancee and I just broke up, I'm going to be a mess for a few days, just replace me please.

[profii]

I’ll sort Taly/Sky/Elbirn subject to Taly answer

The next most obvious thing seems to consider the 2 fruit vendors - I just played a game with town & scum commuters, can’t remember if it was odd / even night but whatever - it’s likely to be a coin toss to find the scum out of those 2 players rather than the mod trying to weaken the loyal element of the role - I believe this because one player came out and said, “could be scum disloyal” which could be a TMI slip- (Brass) I do think he could be right though

I’m not really inclined to race too much further ahead at this point. We can deal with the pressing issues for now.


But then you kinda dismissed the lovers point which seems weird because the worst case scenario is we lynch Chick, inadvertently kill Andrius via lovers and Chick hits another town- 3 players down.

This makes me think Chick!town and a Rask/Ausuka long con because you were pretty blasé about me suggesting lynching a scum!chick which would actually mean we lose 3 town if I’m wrong plus you got in first with suggesting it couldn’t possibly be you which is really up to everyone else - it’s a bit like TW suggesting nah there isn’t a SK honestly - lol ok!

That’s where I’m at rn anyway

[profii]

Brass - oh man, hope that all works out ok for you, whatever that might look like of course

[Taly]

The

Quackers

Ritz thing was an inside joke between

TW

and I It wasn't softing or alluding to any vig. I've posted that pic before in other games and have talked about

[HeWhoSwims]

Aw brass my man. I'm so so so sorry

The thing is I really want tw to claim modifier or not as it may help me in solving stuff.

[Taly]

And how does that pic even imply that I know anything about

TW's

role?

The

"Now With Extra Bullets"

joke was referring to how I've been scum in several games where

TW

townread me, and how I've NKed his ass before XD

[Taly]

I'm sorry

Brass

, just read that

[profii]

I’ll assume TW can verify that so let’s just chalk that up to coincidence for now

In a sentence what made you go Elbirn over Sky - it looks a fairly close call in your analysis

I’ve not been too active in this game day, but it looks like we’ve gone Chick wagon -> Elbirn wagon

So as the wagon got close quick, my guess is scum are happy to help us with this lynch. Kinda wondering if we wagon Sky to see if it gets as big as fast, kinda wondering if sky will stall when Scum don’t want to bus - I’m surprised I’m the first person to say “well Talys analysis suggest 1 of 2 players are scum” it just seems really weird that all these voters went “yeah Elbirn” -

I know there is a school of thought that says we should do as the town agrees on, I’m kinda just sense checking that my skin read hasn’t led me to a wrong conclusion about a fairly rapid wagon.

I guess I can get on board with Elbirn if that’s what everyone wants to do and I’m taking the risk that if he flips scum you all bus me and inno Sky, which, would be against my scum!profii win con - so hopefully you take this query as me just checking and not trying to initiate a counter wagon


Does that make sense?

[profii]

And how does that pic even imply that I know anything about

TW's

role?

The

"Now With Extra Bullets"

joke was referring to how I've been scum in several games where

TW

townread me, and how I've NKed his ass before XD

See infernos post - for everyone not in on the joke it was how to soft a vig 101



Now TW is claiming vig when he could be a potential SK- see how that is paranoia inducing ?

[HeWhoSwims]

So am I missing any claim here

tw - vig
brass - activated bp
chick - vengeful
aus - loyal fruit vendor
?? - second loyal fruit vendor

those are the ones I'm remembering right now off the top off my head, what did I miss?

[Taly]

See infernos post - for everyone not in on the joke it was how to soft a vig 101



Now TW is claiming vig when he could be a potential SK- see how that is paranoia inducing ?

Only for town with poor reads and the scum that'd take advantage of them for it.

And I thought

Inferno's

post was directed at me? I didn't take it seriously because I didn't see the connection.

In anyway, I wouldn't soft shit especially D1, usually I crumb using a bolded code or I just outright claim.

And I don't think

TW

would even be allowed to shoot his scumbuddy

Dram

, or even would since he was a strong scum PR.

[Taly]

There's more people posting but I want more people reading my ISO and ISO assessment on others

[Taly]

guess I can get on board with Elbirn if that’s what everyone wants to do and I’m taking the risk that if he flips scum you all bus me and inno Sky

Like, I don't see a probable reality of this happening

[Inferno390]

@HWS—I’m a Town visitor.

[Inferno390]

Okay, that “how to soft a vig” comment from me was literally me just running with a joke. I in no way thought it actually meant anything, and if it did, that Taly thought that TW was a vig. But I was really just fluff postsing, because that progression didn’t even make sense at the time.

@Brass—you got my prayers.

[Inferno390]

HWS: I believe MoI also claimed fruit vendor?

[HeWhoSwims]

@HWS—I’m a Town visitor.

As in, you pop up at my door for a cup of tea and nothing else happens?

HWS: I believe MoI also claimed fruit vendor?

thanks. Was there any more to the claim? Modifiers?

[MagnaofIllusion]

I'll be doing a catch-up today ... my life is busy and this thread is too active so probably I'm just going to end up doing a State of the Game post unless there are specific questions I have missed in my brief phone skimming.

You know when I said this earlier ... it was a lie. My wife's inlaws are not leaving til Monday so the rest of my day is stuck hanging with her cousin's husband doing guy things so the girls can got shop at teacher stores and wherever else they go to do stuff.

Monday night is now my projected timeframe to have any sort of free time at all.

[Andrius]

Phonepost to clarify that Chickadee and I are not lovers.

Also I have experience with Magna. I forgot who's Thing 1 and who's Thing 2 but we're well familiar with how the other plays.

I realize I'm kind of treating this game like For Us so my b.

[Andrius]

the rest of my day is stuck hanging with her cousin's husband doing guy things

FOR THE GOD EMPEROR?
Or you mean more like honey-dos?

[Inferno390]

@HWS—I’m a Town visitor.

As in, you pop up at my door for a cup of tea and nothing else happens?

HWS: I believe MoI also claimed fruit vendor?

thanks. Was there any more to the claim? Modifiers?

Yes on my count.
For MoI, the claim was odd-night and loyal I think.

[Inferno390]

Definitely Odd-Night Loyal.