Newbie 1881 - Game Over

[OkaPoka]

i think your both town and should redirect your focus on finding the scum in eragon/trinity/iceman trio

@nancy reads rn on eragon/trinity/iceman?

[OkaPoka]

@flicker reads rn on eragon/trinity/iceman?
@whymafia reads rn on eragon/trinity/iceman?

[Quick]

I have too many TRs I think

[Quick]

Reads

Town

nanacy, Trinity

Town Lean

Ice, Oka

Null

Flicker, WhyMafia, Eragon

Scum Lean

FF

I guess I can't really justify giving a Town Lean to WhyMafia. Flicker fits the same category, so out of my Nulls, Eragon is probably the Scummiest.

[OkaPoka]

@quick could you link me some posts that you feel debunks the theory that trinity isn't engaging with town or makes you feel that strongly about trinity town?

[WhyMafia]

@whymafia reads rn on eragon/trinity/iceman?

I've made it abundantly clear my read on eragon ya fool : (

[OkaPoka]

what about trinity and iceman

[WhyMafia]

Trinity I'm more stuck on - I would like more content from her - for now I guess she's null

[OkaPoka]

and ice?

[WhyMafia]

I like Iceman as a lean town

[WhyMafia]

Bahh, do you guys think we'll have enough time to have a meaningful discussion with Eragon before deadline? Bc he's V/LA till like a day or two before IIRC

[Quick]

I like Iceman as a lean town

Why?

[OkaPoka]

Talk to me about ff, write up a case with some evidence

OK, so I know this is going to make me look flaky, but looking for evidence has just made me confused! FF looks to me like apart from the interaction with Quick, he’s mainly spent time leaning on Oka and not really putting in the effort on everyone else. And I don’t think he’s tried hard to defend the votes on him. But I’ve had to admit that I do like that he’s after Oka as I think Oka could be scum, which would possibly, but not definitely, mean that FF isn’t.

My current thinking is:

Nancy - strong town. We all know why.
Oka - scum lean, mainly because of the weak case he was trying to make on me, and poor answers to questions others have asked.
Iceman - slight town lean, as I’ve liked his theory posts, although his vote on Quick seemed a bit forced, and not for the best of reasons. I don’t think not reading posts is AI.
Quick - slight scum lean. I initially didn’t think scum would be so blasé about the attack from IceMan. But some of his posts are scummy sounding, like ‘you are trying to upset me more and get me to make a mistake’. As mafia in the last game I worried about making mistakes, but in this game I’m not worried so much as what sort of mistakes can I make? I mean, I can make silly mistakes where people might think I’m stupid, but I can’t think what type of think a ‘mistake’ I could make that would be really bad.
Flicker - slight scum lean, the unvote of Oka seems strange.
Eragon - town lean originally, as he came in with a hiss and a roar, but that has tapered off, so null at the moment.
Why Mafia - town lean. I’m linking his posts. He’s put in a lot of effort really quickly and looks like he’s making an effort to understand the game, and made some good cases.
FF - was my strongest scum lean, but I’m backing off that, as noted above.

UNVOTE: FormerFish

what are these poor answers to other questions?

[Eragon]

I can be somewhat active for about an hour/half hour each day.

I won't really have enough time to do ISO's or full reads or stuff like that but I can respond to a few posts if theres stuff that involves me.

[nancy]

Bluh. I feel really depleted but I'll try to catch up I guess.

[TrinityNZ]

Talk to me about ff, write up a case with some evidence

OK, so I know this is going to make me look flaky, but looking for evidence has just made me confused! FF looks to me like apart from the interaction with Quick, he’s mainly spent time leaning on Oka and not really putting in the effort on everyone else. And I don’t think he’s tried hard to defend the votes on him. But I’ve had to admit that I do like that he’s after Oka as I think Oka could be scum, which would possibly, but not definitely, mean that FF isn’t.

My current thinking is:

Nancy - strong town. We all know why.
Oka - scum lean, mainly because of the weak case he was trying to make on me, and poor answers to questions others have asked.
Iceman - slight town lean, as I’ve liked his theory posts, although his vote on Quick seemed a bit forced, and not for the best of reasons. I don’t think not reading posts is AI.
Quick - slight scum lean. I initially didn’t think scum would be so blasé about the attack from IceMan. But some of his posts are scummy sounding, like ‘you are trying to upset me more and get me to make a mistake’. As mafia in the last game I worried about making mistakes, but in this game I’m not worried so much as what sort of mistakes can I make? I mean, I can make silly mistakes where people might think I’m stupid, but I can’t think what type of think a ‘mistake’ I could make that would be really bad.
Flicker - slight scum lean, the unvote of Oka seems strange.
Eragon - town lean originally, as he came in with a hiss and a roar, but that has tapered off, so null at the moment.
Why Mafia - town lean. I’m linking his posts. He’s put in a lot of effort really quickly and looks like he’s making an effort to understand the game, and made some good cases.
FF - was my strongest scum lean, but I’m backing off that, as noted above.

UNVOTE: FormerFish

what are these poor answers to other questions?

You can call these poor answers if you want, but it’s my best shot, so take it or leave it. Trying to make me look bad isn’t working for you Oka. Town is on to you.

[OkaPoka]

no im asking you what are the poor answers that i have made that you seem to dislike

[OkaPoka]

but wow thats a bit defensive

[OkaPoka]

Talk to me about ff, write up a case with some evidence

OK, so I know this is going to make me look flaky, but looking for evidence has just made me confused! FF looks to me like apart from the interaction with Quick, he’s mainly spent time leaning on Oka and not really putting in the effort on everyone else. And I don’t think he’s tried hard to defend the votes on him. But I’ve had to admit that I do like that he’s after Oka as I think Oka could be scum, which would possibly, but not definitely, mean that FF isn’t.

My current thinking is:

Nancy - strong town. We all know why.

Oka - scum lean, mainly because of the weak case he was trying to make on me, and

poor answers to questions others have asked.

Iceman - slight town lean, as I’ve liked his theory posts, although his vote on Quick seemed a bit forced, and not for the best of reasons. I don’t think not reading posts is AI.
Quick - slight scum lean. I initially didn’t think scum would be so blasé about the attack from IceMan. But some of his posts are scummy sounding, like ‘you are trying to upset me more and get me to make a mistake’. As mafia in the last game I worried about making mistakes, but in this game I’m not worried so much as what sort of mistakes can I make? I mean, I can make silly mistakes where people might think I’m stupid, but I can’t think what type of think a ‘mistake’ I could make that would be really bad.
Flicker - slight scum lean, the unvote of Oka seems strange.
Eragon - town lean originally, as he came in with a hiss and a roar, but that has tapered off, so null at the moment.
Why Mafia - town lean. I’m linking his posts. He’s put in a lot of effort really quickly and looks like he’s making an effort to understand the game, and made some good cases.
FF - was my strongest scum lean, but I’m backing off that, as noted above.

UNVOTE: FormerFish

what are these poor answers to other questions?

You can call these poor answers if you want, but it’s my best shot, so take it or leave it. Trying to make me look bad isn’t working for you Oka. Town is on to you.

[TrinityNZ]

no im asking you what are the poor answers that i have made that you seem to dislike

Sorry, I got that wrong! I’m not disagreeing that I’m not defensive against you though

[OkaPoka]

@nancy opinion on defensive tells?

[nancy]

VOTE: Oka

I'm hoping on the Oka wagon.

I'm revising my read on Trinity to town. So Trinity, and FF are both my town players along with Nancy.

Come on Nancy, get on the wagon.

I also think Eragon and Why_Mafia have a town lean.

Sooo.... That leaves Flicker, Oka, and Quick.


Quick has moved slightly less scummy. Flicker is for all intents and purposes null to me.

So..... Time to push Oka.

I don't get the constant "Tell me why you think I'm scum so I can debunk" posts from Oka. Does that not seem like a good way to learn how to post to avoid specific peoples scumdars? I also don't like how defensive Oka is. For me a Townie is completely ok with being lynched as long as it provides a path to winning for town. So I would think a town player would be scum hunting and ignoring most of the stuff sent their way from fellow town player. To me the only time to address other peoples scum reads on me are a quick clarification to any questions/concerns and then move on. Don't bring it up again unless the person's reasons are scummy.

Bolded part feels like an unlikely approach from mafia. FF/Oka reads seem consistent, which feels good.

Tone in the concluding paragraph rings somewhere in the town register. I dislike his paradigmatic approach, but I find it difficult to parse how much of it is playstyle and how much of it is alignment. Gun to head, playstyle.

The way he's positioning himself on Oka feels good.

I continue to townread Iceman yet not feel greatly confident in my townread on Iceman, I guess.

[nancy]

@nancy opinion on defensive tells?

I think tells are things that shouldn't be things.

What do you mean by "defensive tells", specifically, though?

[OkaPoka]

some people, including myself to an extent, feel that being overly defensive is indicative of scum alignment

[nancy]

I have to skip Ficker's walls until I have a little more brainpower, sorry.

Fyi, whenever you want to address something to the mod, bold your text so that there's less chance of the mod missing it, like so:

@Mod

. I don't always read my gamethreads when I'm modding outside of picking out bolded text from players, especially when I am quickly skimming to make a votecount. Other mods have this habit, too.