NY 213 - Game Over!

[TehBrawlGuy]

Can either of you explain why texcat? I don't recall her being a floated lynch before, and I haven't thought anything of her up to this point.

[PenguinPower]

Off the wagon, pushed for another lynch over Wheme that likely wouldn't go through, whole stuff around FL claiming Mason, weak participation overall which has been consistent with scum!text ime (half the posts of the mod).

[Ircher]

Day 3 VC #2

JarJarDrinks (1) - TehBrawlGuy (3466)
Texcat (2) - Creature (3472), PenguinPower (3473)
TehBrawlGuy (1) - Wavemode (3468)
Myloninja13 (1) - Dunnstral (3463)
Not Voting (15) - Frozen Angel, Ankamius, Hopkirk, Kublai Khan, JarJarDrinks, Lalendra, Golden Robster, Ausuka, Gamma Emerald, Pine, Tchill13, Myloninja13, Scioness Sajj, Vaxkiller, Texcat

Lynch Threshold

During day 3, it takes 11 votes to lynch a player.

Deadline

Day 3 ends on July 24, 2018 8:00 PM EDT (GMT-4:00) or in (expired on 2018-07-24 20:00:00).

Moderator Notes

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Spoiler: Current Voting History

Day 3

Dunnstral: Myloninja13 (3463)
Creature: Texcat (3472)
TehBrawlGuy: JarJarDrinks (3466)
Wavemode: TehBrawlGuy (3468)
PenguinPower: Texcat (3473)

Spoiler: Previous Voting History

Day 2

Note: * - Hammer Vote

Dunnstral (4): Myloninja13 (1942) --> JarJarDrinks (2206) --> PenguinPower (3242) --> TehBrawlGuy (3248)
Golden Robster (17): Hopkirk (2078) --> (Null) (2096) --> PenguinPower (2112) --> Scioness Sajj (2152) --> Vaxkiller (2171) --> (Null) (2288) --> Creature (2299) -->

WhemeStar

(2304) --> Wavemode (2367) --> Scioness Sajj (2432) --> TehBrawlGuy (2526) -->

Flavor Leaf

(2642) --> (Null) (2783) --> PenguinPower (2979) -->

WhemeStar

(3099) --> (Null) (3284) -->

WhemeStar

(3286)
Pine (1): Andriod18 (1936)
Creature (3): Myloninja13 (1941) --> PenguinPower (2835) -->

WhemeStar

(3453*)
Kublai Khan (5):

Flavor Leaf

(1944) --> (Null) (2366) --> Vaxkiller (2423) --> PenguinPower (2899) -->

WhemeStar

(3027)

WhemeStar

(4): Vaxkiller (2245) --> JarJarDrinks (2301) -->

Flavor Leaf

(2542) --> PenguinPower (2930)
Hopkirk (5): Andriod18 (2197) --> Kublai Khan (2346) --> (Null) (2781) ==> (Null) (2782) -->

WhemeStar

(3008)
Gamma Emerald (5): Kublai Khan (2488) --> Golden Robster (2839) --> (Null) (2867) --> PenguinPower (2990) -->

WhemeStar

(3318)

Ausuka

(7): PenguinPower (1960) --> Myloninja13 (2434) -->

Flavor Leaf

(2504) --> (Null) (2573) --> Myloninja13 (2574) --> TehBrawlGuy (3023) -->

WhemeStar

(3293)
Lalendra (7): Vaxkiller (2184) --> JarJarDrinks (2334) --> Andriod18 (2503) -->

Flavor Leaf

(2657) --> (Null) (2705) --> PenguinPower (2809) -->

WhemeStar

(3097)
EspeciallyTheLies (1): PenguinPower (1996)
JarJarDrinks (10): Andriod18 (1945) --> EspeciallyTheLies (2041) --> (Null) (2066) --> Andriod18 (2192) -->

Flavor Leaf

(2327) --> (Null) (2612) -->

Flavor Leaf

(2640) --> (Null) (2755) --> Andriod18 (2943) -->

WhemeStar

(3030)
Andriod18 (2): JarJarDrinks (2116) --> Kublai Khan (2533)
Texcat (2): ArcAngel9 (1987) --> Myloninja13 (2552)
ArcAngel9 (1): Texcat (2072)
TehBrawlGuy (7): (Null) (2535) --> Wavemode (2690) -->

WhemeStar

(3062) --> (Null) (3118) -->

WhemeStar

(3165) --> (Null) (3196) -->

WhemeStar

(3233)
Vaxkiller (5):

WhemeStar

(2343) --> Myloninja13 (2472) --> PenguinPower (3012) -->

WhemeStar

(3112) --> PenguinPower (3290)
Wavemode (6): Texcat (2044) --> Andriod18 (2331) -->

Flavor Leaf

(2635) --> (Null) (2800) -->

WhemeStar

(2966) ==>

WhemeStar

(3115)
PenguinPower (7): Myloninja13 (1947) --> Kublai Khan (2572) -->

Flavor Leaf

(2709) --> Myloninja13 (2759) --> Golden Robster (2775) --> (Null) (2894) -->

WhemeStar

(2962)
Myloninja13 (1): PenguinPower (2437)
Scioness Sajj (3): Andriod18 (2904) -->

WhemeStar

(3034) --> PenguinPower (3255)

Flavor Leaf

(5): JarJarDrinks (2205) --> Kublai Khan (2499) --> PenguinPower (2715) --> Golden Robster (2774) -->

WhemeStar

(2958)

Day 1

Note: * = Hammer Vote

Note: ^ = Vote after hammer vote.

Dunnstral (5):

Osuka

(77) --> Texcat (1388) --> Lalendra (1623) -->

Osuka

(1758) -->

Performer

(1782)

Srceenplay

(0): (Null)

Performer

(5):

Osuka

(623) --> TheRampage (909) --> Wavemode (1051) --> Andriod18 (1765) -->

Performer

(1849)*

Joral

(0): (Null)

Almost50

(8): Hopkirk (97) --> Edosurist (226) -->

Osuka

(390) -->

Ausuka

(1205) --> (Null) (1304) --> Vaxkiller (1352) --> (Null) (1380) --> Andriod18 (1460)
Fumuki (0): (Null)
Golden Robster (13):

Almost50

(177) --> Wavemode (183) -->

Osuka

(236) -->

Ausuka (317)

--> JarJarDrinks (319) --> (Null) (546) --> Vaxkiller (602) --> (Null) (1504) --> Wavemode (1588) --> (Null) (1589) --> ArcAngel9 (1770) --> Andriod18 (1784) --> (Null) (1798)
Pine (2):

Osuka

(176) --> Andriod18 (1835)
Creature (6):

Performer

(385) --> Myloninja13 (720) --> TheRampage (813) -->

Performer

(898) --> Andriod18 (1449) -->

Performer

(1846)
Kublai Khan (6):

Osuka

(76) -->

Almost50

(122) --> Scioness Sajj (388) --> JarJarDrinks (536) -->

Osuka

(725) -->

Performer

(957)

WhemeStar

(3): Lalendra (234) --> JarJarDrinks (797) -->

Flavor Leaf

(955)
Hopkirk (9):

Osuka

(90) --> Lalendra (279) -->

Osuka

(696) --> (Null) (993) --> Wavemode (999) -->

Performer

(1273) --> (Null) (1315) -->

Performer

(1458) --> Andriod18 (1679)
Edosurist (2): Texcat (84) -->

Almost50

(222)
Gamma Emerald (3): Vaxkiller (710) --> Wavemode (1107) --> Andriod18 (1711) --> _{(Null) (1889)^}

Ausuka

(9): JarJarDrinks (89) --> Creature (104) --> Myloninja13 (429) --> (Null) (742) --> TheRampage (743) --> Wavemode (998) -->

Performer

(1604) --> Lalendra (1624) --> Andriod18 (1680)
Lalendra (3):

Almost50

(209) --> (Null) (559) -->

Performer

(1229)
EspeciallyTheLies (2):

Almost50

(83) -->

Performer

(515)
Lovebird (1): Edosurist (259)
Davesaz (1): Wavemode (1014)
Frozen Angel (3):

Performer

(1579) --> (Null) (1606) -->

Performer

(1814)
JarJarDrinks (8):

Osuka

(85) -->

Almost50

(114) --> Charles510 (186) --> Edosurist (231) -->

Osuka

(535) -->

Ausuka

(842) --> Wavemode (1112) --> Andriod18 (1410)

Osuka

(10): Wavemode (80) --> JarJarDrinks (124) --> ArcAngel9 (229) --> Pine (332) --> JarJarDrinks (353) -->

Performer

(769) --> TheRampage (771) -->

Performer

(1047) --> Vaxkiller (1359) -->

Performer

(1384)
Texcat (4):

Osuka

(79) --> Wavemode (1080) -->

Osuka

(1703) --> Andriod18 (1777)
Andriod18 (4): Kublai Khan (190) --> Lovebird (290) --> JarJarDrinks (855) -->

Performer

(1796)
ArcAngel9 (4): Texcat (81) --> TheRampage (223) --> Texcat (604) -->

Performer

(1397)
Charles510 (2): JarJarDrinks (87) --> (Null) (310)
Vaxkiller (8): JarJarDrinks (363) --> Scioness Sajj (389) --> Andriod18 (437) --> JarJarDrinks (532) --> Golden Robster (678) --> Wavemode (1078) --> TheRampage (1085) -->

Performer

(1116)
Wavemode (5): Texcat (82) --> Charles510 (131) --> (Null) (838) -->

Osuka

(867) -->

Performer

(1108)
TheRampage (3): Creature (100) --> (Null) (509) -->

Osuka

(681)
PenguinPower (1):

Performer

(1774)
Myloninja13 (4): Edosurist (233) --> JarJarDrinks (326) -->

Performer

(1554) --> Andriod18 (1787)
Scioness Sajj (4):

Ausuka

(406) --> (Null) (1325) -->

Performer

(1552) --> Andriod18 (1760)

Flavor Leaf

(1): Andriod18 (1772)

Pre-Game

Dunnstral (2): Texcat (9) --> Pine (43)

Srceenplay

(1): Andriod18 (62)
Pine (1):

Osuka

(16)
Kublai Khan (1): Pine (34)
Hopkirk (1):

Osuka

(66)
Edosurist (1): Pine (42)

Osuka

(2): Pine (28) --> Wavemode (33)
Texcat (1): Pine (44)
Wavemode (1):

Osuka

(31)

[PenguinPower]

A good mod would find mod fluff posts he could delete to steal a page top....

[PenguinPower]

^
I don't advocate that.

[TehBrawlGuy]

Off the wagon, pushed for another lynch over Wheme that likely wouldn't go through, whole stuff around FL claiming Mason, weak participation overall which has been consistent with scum!text ime (half the posts of the mod).

we have a flipped Scum, and all we're going to do with that is just lynch someone off the wagon? if we think Scum are more likely to be off the wagon, there should be at least one off wagon where Wheme flip implicates them more

FL mason claim stuff also applies to JJD, who pushed for mason buddy Hopkirk to claim (I did too, but honestly we should both get scumpoints for that)

and the last is meta which I don't have on tex


There's nothing in her ISO that really pushes me either way, so I don't hate it, but she's only at slight scumlean for me

[Ankamius]

Hi guys

Who's scum

[TehBrawlGuy]

@thread:

what does Wheme scumflip do for your reads on other people?

[JarJarDrinks]

If Wheme did any bussing, it would have to be in Vax or JJD.

Maybe. But there's no real reason to think he was doing any bussing.

[PenguinPower]

Off the wagon, pushed for another lynch over Wheme that likely wouldn't go through, whole stuff around FL claiming Mason, weak participation overall which has been consistent with scum!text ime (half the posts of the mod).

we have a flipped Scum, and all we're going to do with that is just lynch someone off the wagon? if we think Scum are more likely to be off the wagon, there should be at least one off wagon where Wheme flip implicates them more

FL mason claim stuff also applies to JJD, who pushed for mason buddy Hopkirk to claim (I did too, but honestly we should both get scumpoints for that)

and the last is meta which I don't have on tex

There's nothing in her ISO that really pushes me either way, so I don't hate it, but she's only at slight scumlean for me

Scum is going to be both on the wagon and off the wagon the way it went down yesterday. Why focus on the wagon? They were obviously the more active ones and can be tackled later based on associations.

I pushed for Hopkirk to claim too, so that's not a good argument for JJD. Yes, JJD was also off the wagon D1, but had a stronger stance on a scum lynch D2 so I don't want to focus on it today. I don't rely solely on meta, but it helps where I'm at given everything else.

I'm not saying JJD is town. I said I don't want to focus there today, and I think scum off the wagon is better. I think that texcat is probably that.

[JarJarDrinks]

Whoa. You might be able to make a case that Wheme bussed JJD, but JJD was pushing Wheme's lynch hard. You think that was bussing too??

He didn't vote Wheme until the point where our only strong wagons were Wheme and PP. In his large readslist he had previously marked Wheme as Scum (and done nothing with it), and PP as a townlean, so he had essentially forced himself into that vote anyway. He didn't actually start pushing hard on Wheme until after Wheme's been run to L-1 and is the obvious lynch anyway. That's pretty textbook bussing.

Also, small bias here, but:

I didn't think TBG unvoting was scummy. I agree it's good to stay out of hammer length.

But I think the response to FL is kind of scummy. I read it as him very much wanting towncred for the lynch.

If JJD is Scum, he knows very well that Wheme is about to flip red and that I'd potentially get towncred for Wheme's flip.

Why does JJD have to be scum in your scenario? JJD is good at mafia and that;s why he knew wheme was about to flip red.

[Creature]

Ah stupid cookies

[Creature]

Hi guys

Who's scum

texcat

[JarJarDrinks]

Hi guys

Who's scum

texcat

not sure about that. who else you got?

[JarJarDrinks]

my gut says TBG's push on me comes from town.

[Creature]

Hi guys

Who's scum

texcat

not sure about that. who else you got?

Scioness Sajj

[Creature]

Hi guys

Who's scum

texcat

not sure about that. who else you got?

Scioness Sajj

Vaxkiller

[PenguinPower]

Your scum list is apparent.

[TehBrawlGuy]

Whoa. You might be able to make a case that Wheme bussed JJD, but JJD was pushing Wheme's lynch hard. You think that was bussing too??

He didn't vote Wheme until the point where our only strong wagons were Wheme and PP. In his large readslist he had previously marked Wheme as Scum (and done nothing with it), and PP as a townlean, so he had essentially forced himself into that vote anyway. He didn't actually start pushing hard on Wheme until after Wheme's been run to L-1 and is the obvious lynch anyway. That's pretty textbook bussing.

Also, small bias here, but:

I didn't think TBG unvoting was scummy. I agree it's good to stay out of hammer length.

But I think the response to FL is kind of scummy. I read it as him very much wanting towncred for the lynch.

If JJD is Scum, he knows very well that Wheme is about to flip red and that I'd potentially get towncred for Wheme's flip.

Why does JJD have to be scum in your scenario? JJD is good at mafia and that;s why he knew wheme was about to flip red.

It's not that you have to be Scum in that scenario, it's that you're more likely to be.

Town!JJD is pretty sure Wheme is Scum, and possibly thinks I might be Scum.
Scum!JJD knows Wheme is Scum, and knows I'm Town to set up on for the future.

This alone is far from damning evidence, but it's a brick in the wall of the case against you, most of which is far stronger than this point by itself anyway, especially Wheme's interactions.

[PenguinPower]

Can we pls leave JJD for a later day?

[Creature]

I feel like my list is pretty good

[JarJarDrinks]

Town!JJD is pretty sure Wheme is Scum, and possibly thinks I might be Scum.
Scum!JJD knows Wheme is Scum, and knows I'm Town to set up on for the future.

Well i think i town read you TBG so if I was trying to set u up for the future I didnt do a very good job.

You cant just put everything down to WIFOM dude. Look at how integral I was in getting wheme lynched. Sure u can say that I had no choice because of the wagons that came up but did I have to push super hard to ensure the lynch would go through? I could have easily taken creature up on his many many offers to lynch someone else.



Speaking of which, the reason I wanted creatures other scumreads was to get an idea of where he'd be pushing so we have better reads on those people after we lynch him today cuz he is one of the more obvious scummers I've ever seen. I'd state half my mafia reputation on him being scum right now.

I will put a full case together tomorrow at work but for now, ISO him and start at 3319 to see what scum doing everything in their power to keep a scumbuddy out of the noose looks like.

[Tchill13]

hello everyone. nice to join yall. If you have any questions for me and could direct me towards the content your talking about i'd be happy to answer.

agreed with PP, the last 10-20 pages of D2 are the most cruical, the rest is skippable

Hopkirk is confrmed masons with the late Flavor Leaf
Ausuka is confirmed IC, and neighbors with Wave
PP is claimed VT

I'll have a content-y post for you in a bit

im starting to read those pages now.

so we have 2 confirmed town atm. 1 scum flip already. JJ is a bus candidate?

I'm gonna go ahead and say scum bussed because it was a d2 scum flip. thats a little too early for an all town scum lynch imo. idk who though atm.

[Vaxkiller]

Hi guys

Who's scum

texcat

not sure about that. who else you got?

Scioness Sajj

Vaxkiller

Whys that creature?

[Tchill13]

im not gonna blow the thread up with quote posts to describe 15-20 reads. i'll just give an overall statement at the end of catch up.

scioness seems town atm though.