NY 213 - Game Over!

[Ircher]

Day 3 VC #2

JarJarDrinks (1) - TehBrawlGuy (3466)
Texcat (2) - Creature (3472), PenguinPower (3473)
TehBrawlGuy (1) - Wavemode (3468)
Myloninja13 (1) - Dunnstral (3463)
Not Voting (15) - Frozen Angel, Ankamius, Hopkirk, Kublai Khan, JarJarDrinks, Lalendra, Golden Robster, Ausuka, Gamma Emerald, Pine, Tchill13, Myloninja13, Scioness Sajj, Vaxkiller, Texcat

Lynch Threshold

During day 3, it takes 11 votes to lynch a player.

Deadline

Day 3 ends on July 24, 2018 8:00 PM EDT (GMT-4:00) or in (expired on 2018-07-24 20:00:00).

Moderator Notes

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Spoiler: Current Voting History

Day 3

Dunnstral: Myloninja13 (3463)
Creature: Texcat (3472)
TehBrawlGuy: JarJarDrinks (3466)
Wavemode: TehBrawlGuy (3468)
PenguinPower: Texcat (3473)

Spoiler: Previous Voting History

Day 2

Note: * - Hammer Vote

Dunnstral (4): Myloninja13 (1942) --> JarJarDrinks (2206) --> PenguinPower (3242) --> TehBrawlGuy (3248)
Golden Robster (17): Hopkirk (2078) --> (Null) (2096) --> PenguinPower (2112) --> Scioness Sajj (2152) --> Vaxkiller (2171) --> (Null) (2288) --> Creature (2299) -->

WhemeStar

(2304) --> Wavemode (2367) --> Scioness Sajj (2432) --> TehBrawlGuy (2526) -->

Flavor Leaf

(2642) --> (Null) (2783) --> PenguinPower (2979) -->

WhemeStar

(3099) --> (Null) (3284) -->

WhemeStar

(3286)
Pine (1): Andriod18 (1936)
Creature (3): Myloninja13 (1941) --> PenguinPower (2835) -->

WhemeStar

(3453*)
Kublai Khan (5):

Flavor Leaf

(1944) --> (Null) (2366) --> Vaxkiller (2423) --> PenguinPower (2899) -->

WhemeStar

(3027)

WhemeStar

(4): Vaxkiller (2245) --> JarJarDrinks (2301) -->

Flavor Leaf

(2542) --> PenguinPower (2930)
Hopkirk (5): Andriod18 (2197) --> Kublai Khan (2346) --> (Null) (2781) ==> (Null) (2782) -->

WhemeStar

(3008)
Gamma Emerald (5): Kublai Khan (2488) --> Golden Robster (2839) --> (Null) (2867) --> PenguinPower (2990) -->

WhemeStar

(3318)

Ausuka

(7): PenguinPower (1960) --> Myloninja13 (2434) -->

Flavor Leaf

(2504) --> (Null) (2573) --> Myloninja13 (2574) --> TehBrawlGuy (3023) -->

WhemeStar

(3293)
Lalendra (7): Vaxkiller (2184) --> JarJarDrinks (2334) --> Andriod18 (2503) -->

Flavor Leaf

(2657) --> (Null) (2705) --> PenguinPower (2809) -->

WhemeStar

(3097)
EspeciallyTheLies (1): PenguinPower (1996)
JarJarDrinks (10): Andriod18 (1945) --> EspeciallyTheLies (2041) --> (Null) (2066) --> Andriod18 (2192) -->

Flavor Leaf

(2327) --> (Null) (2612) -->

Flavor Leaf

(2640) --> (Null) (2755) --> Andriod18 (2943) -->

WhemeStar

(3030)
Andriod18 (2): JarJarDrinks (2116) --> Kublai Khan (2533)
Texcat (2): ArcAngel9 (1987) --> Myloninja13 (2552)
ArcAngel9 (1): Texcat (2072)
TehBrawlGuy (7): (Null) (2535) --> Wavemode (2690) -->

WhemeStar

(3062) --> (Null) (3118) -->

WhemeStar

(3165) --> (Null) (3196) -->

WhemeStar

(3233)
Vaxkiller (5):

WhemeStar

(2343) --> Myloninja13 (2472) --> PenguinPower (3012) -->

WhemeStar

(3112) --> PenguinPower (3290)
Wavemode (6): Texcat (2044) --> Andriod18 (2331) -->

Flavor Leaf

(2635) --> (Null) (2800) -->

WhemeStar

(2966) ==>

WhemeStar

(3115)
PenguinPower (7): Myloninja13 (1947) --> Kublai Khan (2572) -->

Flavor Leaf

(2709) --> Myloninja13 (2759) --> Golden Robster (2775) --> (Null) (2894) -->

WhemeStar

(2962)
Myloninja13 (1): PenguinPower (2437)
Scioness Sajj (3): Andriod18 (2904) -->

WhemeStar

(3034) --> PenguinPower (3255)

Flavor Leaf

(5): JarJarDrinks (2205) --> Kublai Khan (2499) --> PenguinPower (2715) --> Golden Robster (2774) -->

WhemeStar

(2958)

Day 1

Note: * = Hammer Vote

Note: ^ = Vote after hammer vote.

Dunnstral (5):

Osuka

(77) --> Texcat (1388) --> Lalendra (1623) -->

Osuka

(1758) -->

Performer

(1782)

Srceenplay

(0): (Null)

Performer

(5):

Osuka

(623) --> TheRampage (909) --> Wavemode (1051) --> Andriod18 (1765) -->

Performer

(1849)*

Joral

(0): (Null)

Almost50

(8): Hopkirk (97) --> Edosurist (226) -->

Osuka

(390) -->

Ausuka

(1205) --> (Null) (1304) --> Vaxkiller (1352) --> (Null) (1380) --> Andriod18 (1460)
Fumuki (0): (Null)
Golden Robster (13):

Almost50

(177) --> Wavemode (183) -->

Osuka

(236) -->

Ausuka (317)

--> JarJarDrinks (319) --> (Null) (546) --> Vaxkiller (602) --> (Null) (1504) --> Wavemode (1588) --> (Null) (1589) --> ArcAngel9 (1770) --> Andriod18 (1784) --> (Null) (1798)
Pine (2):

Osuka

(176) --> Andriod18 (1835)
Creature (6):

Performer

(385) --> Myloninja13 (720) --> TheRampage (813) -->

Performer

(898) --> Andriod18 (1449) -->

Performer

(1846)
Kublai Khan (6):

Osuka

(76) -->

Almost50

(122) --> Scioness Sajj (388) --> JarJarDrinks (536) -->

Osuka

(725) -->

Performer

(957)

WhemeStar

(3): Lalendra (234) --> JarJarDrinks (797) -->

Flavor Leaf

(955)
Hopkirk (9):

Osuka

(90) --> Lalendra (279) -->

Osuka

(696) --> (Null) (993) --> Wavemode (999) -->

Performer

(1273) --> (Null) (1315) -->

Performer

(1458) --> Andriod18 (1679)
Edosurist (2): Texcat (84) -->

Almost50

(222)
Gamma Emerald (3): Vaxkiller (710) --> Wavemode (1107) --> Andriod18 (1711) --> _{(Null) (1889)^}

Ausuka

(9): JarJarDrinks (89) --> Creature (104) --> Myloninja13 (429) --> (Null) (742) --> TheRampage (743) --> Wavemode (998) -->

Performer

(1604) --> Lalendra (1624) --> Andriod18 (1680)
Lalendra (3):

Almost50

(209) --> (Null) (559) -->

Performer

(1229)
EspeciallyTheLies (2):

Almost50

(83) -->

Performer

(515)
Lovebird (1): Edosurist (259)
Davesaz (1): Wavemode (1014)
Frozen Angel (3):

Performer

(1579) --> (Null) (1606) -->

Performer

(1814)
JarJarDrinks (8):

Osuka

(85) -->

Almost50

(114) --> Charles510 (186) --> Edosurist (231) -->

Osuka

(535) -->

Ausuka

(842) --> Wavemode (1112) --> Andriod18 (1410)

Osuka

(10): Wavemode (80) --> JarJarDrinks (124) --> ArcAngel9 (229) --> Pine (332) --> JarJarDrinks (353) -->

Performer

(769) --> TheRampage (771) -->

Performer

(1047) --> Vaxkiller (1359) -->

Performer

(1384)
Texcat (4):

Osuka

(79) --> Wavemode (1080) -->

Osuka

(1703) --> Andriod18 (1777)
Andriod18 (4): Kublai Khan (190) --> Lovebird (290) --> JarJarDrinks (855) -->

Performer

(1796)
ArcAngel9 (4): Texcat (81) --> TheRampage (223) --> Texcat (604) -->

Performer

(1397)
Charles510 (2): JarJarDrinks (87) --> (Null) (310)
Vaxkiller (8): JarJarDrinks (363) --> Scioness Sajj (389) --> Andriod18 (437) --> JarJarDrinks (532) --> Golden Robster (678) --> Wavemode (1078) --> TheRampage (1085) -->

Performer

(1116)
Wavemode (5): Texcat (82) --> Charles510 (131) --> (Null) (838) -->

Osuka

(867) -->

Performer

(1108)
TheRampage (3): Creature (100) --> (Null) (509) -->

Osuka

(681)
PenguinPower (1):

Performer

(1774)
Myloninja13 (4): Edosurist (233) --> JarJarDrinks (326) -->

Performer

(1554) --> Andriod18 (1787)
Scioness Sajj (4):

Ausuka

(406) --> (Null) (1325) -->

Performer

(1552) --> Andriod18 (1760)

Flavor Leaf

(1): Andriod18 (1772)

Pre-Game

Dunnstral (2): Texcat (9) --> Pine (43)

Srceenplay

(1): Andriod18 (62)
Pine (1):

Osuka

(16)
Kublai Khan (1): Pine (34)
Hopkirk (1):

Osuka

(66)
Edosurist (1): Pine (42)

Osuka

(2): Pine (28) --> Wavemode (33)
Texcat (1): Pine (44)
Wavemode (1):

Osuka

(31)

[TehBrawlGuy]

Off the wagon, pushed for another lynch over Wheme that likely wouldn't go through, whole stuff around FL claiming Mason, weak participation overall which has been consistent with scum!text ime (half the posts of the mod).

we have a flipped Scum, and all we're going to do with that is just lynch someone off the wagon? if we think Scum are more likely to be off the wagon, there should be at least one off wagon where Wheme flip implicates them more

FL mason claim stuff also applies to JJD, who pushed for mason buddy Hopkirk to claim (I did too, but honestly we should both get scumpoints for that)

and the last is meta which I don't have on tex

There's nothing in her ISO that really pushes me either way, so I don't hate it, but she's only at slight scumlean for me

Scum is going to be both on the wagon and off the wagon the way it went down yesterday. Why focus on the wagon? They were obviously the more active ones and can be tackled later based on associations.

I pushed for Hopkirk to claim too, so that's not a good argument for JJD. Yes, JJD was also off the wagon D1, but had a stronger stance on a scum lynch D2 so I don't want to focus on it today. I don't rely solely on meta, but it helps where I'm at given everything else.

I'm not saying JJD is town. I said I don't want to focus there today, and I think scum off the wagon is better. I think that texcat is probably that.

I'm not advocating for focusing on the wagon or off the wagon. I'm advocating for focusing on Wheme's interactions with other players.

Why are you so against me pushing JJD? I'm pretty meh on texcat, but I don't really have a problem with you pushing her. The only other lynch I really like is Wave, both for the reasons I stated D2, and for Wave "thinking that this was Wheme's towngame" before swapping to Wheme later on after he got more heat. Given that Wavewagon went nowhere yesterday, and that Wave's on me now, I think pushing there would both be nonproductive and might quagmire into a 1v1. If you want me off JJD, give me another candidate I like.

[Tchill13]

literally zero town motivation and ATE

side note i don't think i've ever seen the phrase "zero town motivation" used in concert with a sound and logical case on somebody

it's usually either made by town who doesn't understand that town do anything they want because most town don't give a shit about what you think looks like town motivation

or scum grasping for straws

PREACH wave preeeaaach.

[Tchill13]

if hop and flavor have said lalendra is scum and I've read 119-127 and was getting scum pings from lalendra due to how she was talked about, what she posted...

lalendra is probably scum.

[Tchill13]

But Teh’s hella scum

I was just going to say we

could

switch the TBG.

both of these guys are really good players from my experience on site. Isn't hop confirmed town? if one says TEH is scum its worth a look. if BOTH say it... well i'd risk a lynch there if my reads line up with it after catch up.

[Tchill13]

I’m the mason, though. I’ll take that chance.

It’s a scummy claim because it will out other protective roles with it fake.

Your partner is more likely to die over you tho

anyone who tried to steer a lynch in any other direction after THIS post needs to be looked at. this is clear WIFOM for other town PR's now that we know wheme flipped scum and flavor flipped town.

at this point it was pretty obvious wheme was scum and flavor was town. So the flip only confirms this wifom. Flavor needed to be the NK due to nailing wheme, being a mason and probably calling out MORE THAN ONE scum member. I think flavor's reads are pretty important here.

[Tchill13]

when scum go out of their way to wifom the nk on they're way out its a pretty important nk for whatever reason. that wifom tells me flavor was doing some major damage through his reads.

[Tchill13]

Remember who is stalling back and forth.

yeah this needs to be the precedent for d3.

[Kublai Khan]

Checking in. Reading back.

[JarJarDrinks]

Remember who is stalling back and forth.

yeah this needs to be the precedent for d3.

please do this re: creature

I will put a full case together tomorrow at work but for now, ISO him and start at 3319 to see what scum doing everything in their power to keep a scumbuddy out of the noose looks like.

[Tchill13]

im on pg 136. creature from 134 to 136 looks terrible.

my first thought on you jarjar is if you were scum bussing you did it right and dove into it full force. i think you're town atm. Depends on your skill i guess.

[Kublai Khan]

Oh right. Good reminder.

VOTE: Creature

[Frozen Angel]

I'm so behind in this but thanks for getting wheme lynched. He was one of the people I was scum reading since my day 1 catchup.

I have like 50-60 pages to catch up

[Tchill13]

was creature stalling for more reads or stalling because he's scum though?

[Tchill13]

to be clear creature WOULD NOT be my first choice as lynch stallers go.

[TehBrawlGuy]

I'm so behind in this but thanks for getting wheme lynched. He was one of the people I was scum reading since my day 1 catchup.

I have like 50-60 pages to catch up

skip to 10p before D2 ends and give us your thoughts from there to now

you can catch up on the rest later

[Tchill13]

i'd go back 20 pages. thats what i did. 119. its good stuff.

[Tchill13]

Lol at Creature being a useless sack then showing up to bitch about poor town leadership. He hasn't even read the game. He's just throwing out random names.

"Omg scum-Pine will kill me" Pine is being replaced.

Creature needs rope tomorrow. Line that shit up.

ok yeah creature just looks bad in general.

[Kublai Khan]

@PenguinPower - What's your read on JarJarDrinks right now?

[Tchill13]

Townreads - Creature, Dunn, golden robster, scioness sajj, Kublai (?)
Kublai weakest one because I’m not sure why I townreads him he just pings me that way

Scumreads- tehbrawlgiy, gamma, PP, lalendra

if there's one scum in the SR's i'd say lalendra.

[Frozen Angel]

I'm so behind in this but thanks for getting wheme lynched. He was one of the people I was scum reading since my day 1 catchup.

I have like 50-60 pages to catch up

skip to 10p before D2 ends and give us your thoughts from there to now

you can catch up on the rest later

I can catchup on everything in few hours. I have a presentation I must do in 5-6 hours. Then I'll do this

[Tchill13]

reaction to the hammer is surely scum. No reads list. No "Lynch X tomorrow". Just acceptance.

I don’t do that

I think u meant to say: I don’t do that

unless I'm town

.


https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... 0#p8823570

Dong, if you think I'm scum and you guys end up lynching me. Who are you looking at after I flip green?

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... 9#p9128269

Hey Dreal how will your reads change if i flip town?

Lynch Dreal tomorrow

concerning jarjar... is he capable of bussing to this extreme? he was hell bent on lynching wheme the whole time and while i would imagine scum bussed i would like to direct ppl towards lalendra's naked vote on wheme.

[Tchill13]

What's wrong with you guys? I don't remember wheme being so scummy that we ignore good strategy and just lynch him through a doctor claim, I was under the impression that this was basically a lurker/lynchbait day.

Wheme isn't scummy around hammer, why would mafia claim dumb protect targets

If Wheme is mafia he gets caught later and we lynch him over any other doc claim if it comes to it

If we lynch doctor we lose our way to protect all these mason/ic that prematurely claimed (more bad town play but nothing I could do about it)

VOTE: PenguinPower

VOTE: tehbrawlguy

We can try

and as far as wagon stallers go this would be my first vote.

[Tchill13]

vax, dunn, tbg, creature. major red flages there they resisted the wheme lynch HARD. very suspicious of all of these players.

lalendra, jarjar, robster, gamma are players im very suspicious of based on individual play.

if you're not named your either town or null.

[TehBrawlGuy]

how is that extreme bussing? wheme's at L-2 there and there's absolutely no counterwagon

unless JJD is incredibly bad he sees the writing on the wall there. I haven't played with him before to gauge skill level, but he's clearly better than awful.