NY 213 - Game Over!

[TehBrawlGuy]

as far as creature goes, I think he's a lot less useful than he should be and that's obnoxious, but I'm not sure it's alignment indicative, so I can't say I'm on board with his lynch

[Tchill13]

ausuka and hopkirk obviously lead the way but i'd strongly suggest we look at flavors reads also and use them TODAY.

today i think we should lynch lalendra or TBG.

followed by a pool of creature, dunn, robster. in that order.

[Kublai Khan]

I can catchup on everything in few hours. I have a presentation I must do in 5-6 hours. Then I'll do this

Your last 5 posts are promises to catch up dating back to July 6th.

[Tchill13]

TBG if you ignore context and thought jjd was scum jjd bussed H A R D. I'm a little weary of scum using the context of the situation and trying to point the "bus" towards JJD to avoid the scum members that actually did bus. Yes it was only 2 votes away. His push is more convincing than lets say.... lalendra's for example. It was probably the most convincing behind flavor and hopkirk tbh.

[Tchill13]

jarjar was vote 6 according to the vc?

[Tchill13]

if you were asking me...

lalendra, creature, robster, JarJar.

thats most likely bus to least likely bus.

[Tchill13]

can dunn and vax be the only scum that were off the wagon?

(other than wheme himself, of course.)

[TehBrawlGuy]

jarjar was vote 6 according to the vc?

right, he voted wheme when his only wagon options were wheme or PP, and it would've been very sus for him to vote PP

he started pushing wheme hard once wheme got to L-2 and was the obvious lynch

do you not see why this raises my eyebrow?

[Tchill13]

no i understand and would be more willing to give you the benefit of the doubt if you were not a huge suspect.

Like i said im worried scum would try to use the context of the situation to achieve a mislynch on jarjar.

why would creature or lalendra be less likely to bus than jarjar? That does take skill and effort, what jarjar did, as either alignment.

[Frozen Angel]

I can catchup on everything in few hours. I have a presentation I must do in 5-6 hours. Then I'll do this

Your last 5 posts are promises to catch up dating back to July 6th.

I had to host a 130 people event. which got dragged. Then I got nearly fired because I failed to go to work for a few days. This game was in a lower priority.

I will give my presentation and will catch up with this.

[TehBrawlGuy]

TBG if you ignore context and thought jjd was scum jjd bussed H A R D. I'm a little weary of scum using the context of the situation and trying to point the "bus" towards JJD to avoid the scum members that actually did bus. Yes it was only 2 votes away. His push is more convincing than lets say.... lalendra's for example. It was probably the most convincing behind flavor and hopkirk tbh.

ignoring the context of the situation is an ignorant thing to do, though

the point that I'm making is that once Wheme is at L-2, and especially during/after his claim shenangiganry, he is the lynch regardless of anything JJD does. (barring some kind of miracle) If JJD just leaves the thread and does nothing, Wheme dies. JJD's push being hard or convincing or whatever is irrelevant because it doesn't actually change the outcome of anything.

Metaphorically, Wheme is on the ground, the bus is already going at his head full speed, and his arms are tied down. JJD pinning his ankles too is not particularly throwing Wheme under the bus.

[Kublai Khan]

if you were asking me...

lalendra, creature, robster, JarJar.

thats most likely bus to least likely bus.

I'm still re-reading, but I'd likely remove Golden Robster from that list. Golden Robster was first to vote WhemeStar in the day and has pretty consistently had him as scum.

[TehBrawlGuy]

if you were asking me...

lalendra, creature, robster, JarJar.

thats most likely bus to least likely bus.

I'm still re-reading, but I'd likely remove Golden Robster from that list. Golden Robster was first to vote WhemeStar in the day and has pretty consistently had him as scum.

obviously I'm biased, but GR was in support of CFDing off Wheme onto men near EoD

i dont really give him townpoints for wheme lynch lol

[Tchill13]

yes and i agree ignoring context is ignorant... to an extent.

let me ask you this, and i'll discuss jjd more with you but, what do you think of the players that decided not to take a stance on the matter at all and vote else where after jjd began to make this push?

like you said barring a miracle wheme is the lynch so what did others have to gain from moving their vote to places that were not wheme?

[Tchill13]

if you were asking me...

lalendra, creature, robster, JarJar.

thats most likely bus to least likely bus.

I'm still re-reading, but I'd likely remove Golden Robster from that list. Golden Robster was first to vote WhemeStar in the day and has pretty consistently had him as scum.

well if you're the first to vote when it takes 12, i think, would you really think it'd go through? especially if you vote your scum buddy to distance early? look at his dialogue as the wagon grows. Sure his vote is there but it doesn't seem like he actually wants to be there. he pushes PP quite aggressively and im not a fan of the PP wagon. those reasons are the basis for my robster read.

[TehBrawlGuy]

no i understand and would be more willing to give you the benefit of the doubt if you were not a huge suspect.

Like i said im worried scum would try to use the context of the situation to achieve a mislynch on jarjar.

why would creature or lalendra be less likely to bus than jarjar? That does take skill and effort, what jarjar did, as either alignment.

i shouldn't be though - I endorsed Wheme lynch over the other two wagons, and unvoted for purely policy reasons while plainly stating I still wanted Wheme dead. I was also probably the most mentioned candidate for a potential CFD off of Wheme.

you're coming at JJD from the opposite angle I am. I'm not looking at who was most or least likely to bus Wheme, coming at it from ???->Wheme. I'm saying that if you look at Wheme's own behavior foremost, looking for Wheme->??? the biggest associative is that Wheme was weakly bussing JJD. Going the other way from JJD->Wheme, it checks out that they'd be a scumpair, but I really care about the link from Wheme->JJD. There isn't any Wheme->Creature or Wheme->Lala link, unless you count Wheme's really early vote on Lala.

[Kublai Khan]

if you were asking me...

lalendra, creature, robster, JarJar.

thats most likely bus to least likely bus.

I'm still re-reading, but I'd likely remove Golden Robster from that list. Golden Robster was first to vote WhemeStar in the day and has pretty consistently had him as scum.

well if you're the first to vote when it takes 12, i think, would you really think it'd go through? especially if you vote your scum buddy to distance early? look at his dialogue as the wagon grows. Sure his vote is there but it doesn't seem like he actually wants to be there. he pushes PP quite aggressively and im not a fan of the PP wagon. those reasons are the basis for my robster read.

I'm not at the wagon growing yet (on page 109 atm), so maybe. I'm just surprised to see him mentioned.

Why aren't you a fan of the PenguinPower wagon? I still have strong suspicions about him.

[Tchill13]

i've yet to ISO wheme but I wanted to with a little feedback in mind on my first impressions.

in all fairness i think if hop and flavor were wrong about a main read it was you but i'm not sure they were. You say JJD had no other option. The same could be said of your play for a player thats not willing to bus. Thats all im getting at.

as for the votes off the wheme wagon after wheme was obviously going to be the lynch or at least picking up good steam, why do you think those happened? Dunn's is pretty noticeable.

[Tchill13]

if you were asking me...

lalendra, creature, robster, JarJar.

thats most likely bus to least likely bus.

I'm still re-reading, but I'd likely remove Golden Robster from that list. Golden Robster was first to vote WhemeStar in the day and has pretty consistently had him as scum.

well if you're the first to vote when it takes 12, i think, would you really think it'd go through? especially if you vote your scum buddy to distance early? look at his dialogue as the wagon grows. Sure his vote is there but it doesn't seem like he actually wants to be there. he pushes PP quite aggressively and im not a fan of the PP wagon. those reasons are the basis for my robster read.

I'm not at the wagon growing yet (on page 109 atm), so maybe. I'm just surprised to see him mentioned.

Why aren't you a fan of the PenguinPower wagon? I still have strong suspicions about him.

I think a lot of his negative attention comes from the early VT claim. Someone earlier, not sure who or what post, said they'd seen the player PP replace do that sort of "sacrifice" before. quoted from another game i do believe. I can see a VT doing that as a way to "meaningfully" contribute if their activity is low.

but mainly, it's because PP's wagon shot up quickly, as flavor mentioned, while whemes did not. Now we know PP was the main counter wagon to the wheme scum lynch, which is the most important thing.

with that info i'd like to believe at least 1 scum voted off the wagons (dunn), at least one scum voted PP (vax), at least one scum voted Wheme (lalendra, creature, robster, TBG, JarJar).

[Kublai Khan]

Okay, yeah, that was TheRampage's move. Yeah, it's just a super-unlikely move for scum to claim VT then replace (not flake) out. I mean, that just leaves the replacement in a shit spot. Okay, unlikely scum slot.

My brain is slowly getting refreshed.

[Tchill13]

Creature wagon is bad

VOTE: Lalendra person

A50 is obv town here

VOTE: JarJar

Lalendra's starting to sound meh

THANK YOU TOWN CREATURE

WhemeStar, still wanting those reads please.

on who

Vax, Performer, any scumread.

Vax town performer scum

On page 81

I have work so maybe will catch up after work

Jar jar is a good vote for now

Man I want jar jar lynched but VOTE: Vax

Lol @ golden

creature aint never gettin lynched

VOTE: jar jar

ANSWER MINE FIRST

yes

if you really wanted to actually know you could of just checked my game history instead of being sarcastic

now answer my questions

Scum creature - never posts

Town creature - posts

Yah creature is lock town

Also I think golden rob is obv town and wagon is bad

I believe these were all wheme's post with players im suspicious of him being scum with... that creature relationship is just as good as his jar jar one @TBG?

[Kublai Khan]

There isn't any Wheme->Creature link

Really?

[Myloninja13]

Hi I'm here sorry

[Kublai Khan]

Hi I'm here sorry

Do you have that on a macro?

General thoughts on WhemeStar's scummates?

[Myloninja13]

Hi I'm here sorry

Do you have that on a macro?

General thoughts on WhemeStar's scummates?

What do you mean by the first question lol?

And I'd assume that there'd be at least a scum off the wagon and another near the end of it too.