NY 213 - Game Over!

[JarJarDrinks]

as far as creature goes, I think he's a lot less useful than he should be and that's obnoxious, but

I'm not sure it's alignment indicative

, so I can't say I'm on board with his lynch

dude you don't think that going balls to the wall to stop a scum lynch is alignment indicative? What game are you even playing?

[Ircher]

Day 3 VC #3

Dunnstral (1) - Golden Robster (3559)
Creature (1) - Kublai Khan (3511)
JarJarDrinks (1) - TehBrawlGuy (3466)
Texcat (2) - Creature (3472), PenguinPower (3473)
TehBrawlGuy (1) - Wavemode (3468)
Myloninja13 (1) - Dunnstral (3463)
Not Voting (13) - Frozen Angel, Ankamius, Hopkirk, JarJarDrinks, Lalendra, Ausuka, Gamma Emerald, Pine, Tchill13, Myloninja13, Scioness Sajj, Vaxkiller, Texcat

Lynch Threshold

During day 3, it takes 11 votes to lynch a player.

Deadline

Day 3 ends on July 24, 2018 8:00 PM EDT (GMT-4:00) or in (expired on 2018-07-24 20:00:00).

Moderator Notes

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Spoiler: Current Voting History

Day 3

Dunnstral: Myloninja13 (3463)
Golden Robster: Dunnstral (3559)
Creature: Texcat (3472)
Kublai Khan: Creature (3511)
TehBrawlGuy: JarJarDrinks (3466)
Wavemode: TehBrawlGuy (3468)
PenguinPower: Texcat (3473)

Spoiler: Previous Voting History

Day 2

Note: * - Hammer Vote

Dunnstral (4): Myloninja13 (1942) --> JarJarDrinks (2206) --> PenguinPower (3242) --> TehBrawlGuy (3248)
Golden Robster (17): Hopkirk (2078) --> (Null) (2096) --> PenguinPower (2112) --> Scioness Sajj (2152) --> Vaxkiller (2171) --> (Null) (2288) --> Creature (2299) -->

WhemeStar

(2304) --> Wavemode (2367) --> Scioness Sajj (2432) --> TehBrawlGuy (2526) -->

Flavor Leaf

(2642) --> (Null) (2783) --> PenguinPower (2979) -->

WhemeStar

(3099) --> (Null) (3284) -->

WhemeStar

(3286)
Pine (1): Andriod18 (1936)
Creature (3): Myloninja13 (1941) --> PenguinPower (2835) -->

WhemeStar

(3453*)
Kublai Khan (5):

Flavor Leaf

(1944) --> (Null) (2366) --> Vaxkiller (2423) --> PenguinPower (2899) -->

WhemeStar

(3027)

WhemeStar

(4): Vaxkiller (2245) --> JarJarDrinks (2301) -->

Flavor Leaf

(2542) --> PenguinPower (2930)
Hopkirk (5): Andriod18 (2197) --> Kublai Khan (2346) --> (Null) (2781) ==> (Null) (2782) -->

WhemeStar

(3008)
Gamma Emerald (5): Kublai Khan (2488) --> Golden Robster (2839) --> (Null) (2867) --> PenguinPower (2990) -->

WhemeStar

(3318)

Ausuka

(7): PenguinPower (1960) --> Myloninja13 (2434) -->

Flavor Leaf

(2504) --> (Null) (2573) --> Myloninja13 (2574) --> TehBrawlGuy (3023) -->

WhemeStar

(3293)
Lalendra (7): Vaxkiller (2184) --> JarJarDrinks (2334) --> Andriod18 (2503) -->

Flavor Leaf

(2657) --> (Null) (2705) --> PenguinPower (2809) -->

WhemeStar

(3097)
EspeciallyTheLies (1): PenguinPower (1996)
JarJarDrinks (10): Andriod18 (1945) --> EspeciallyTheLies (2041) --> (Null) (2066) --> Andriod18 (2192) -->

Flavor Leaf

(2327) --> (Null) (2612) -->

Flavor Leaf

(2640) --> (Null) (2755) --> Andriod18 (2943) -->

WhemeStar

(3030)
Andriod18 (2): JarJarDrinks (2116) --> Kublai Khan (2533)
Texcat (2): ArcAngel9 (1987) --> Myloninja13 (2552)
ArcAngel9 (1): Texcat (2072)
TehBrawlGuy (7): (Null) (2535) --> Wavemode (2690) -->

WhemeStar

(3062) --> (Null) (3118) -->

WhemeStar

(3165) --> (Null) (3196) -->

WhemeStar

(3233)
Vaxkiller (5):

WhemeStar

(2343) --> Myloninja13 (2472) --> PenguinPower (3012) -->

WhemeStar

(3112) --> PenguinPower (3290)
Wavemode (6): Texcat (2044) --> Andriod18 (2331) -->

Flavor Leaf

(2635) --> (Null) (2800) -->

WhemeStar

(2966) ==>

WhemeStar

(3115)
PenguinPower (7): Myloninja13 (1947) --> Kublai Khan (2572) -->

Flavor Leaf

(2709) --> Myloninja13 (2759) --> Golden Robster (2775) --> (Null) (2894) -->

WhemeStar

(2962)
Myloninja13 (1): PenguinPower (2437)
Scioness Sajj (3): Andriod18 (2904) -->

WhemeStar

(3034) --> PenguinPower (3255)

Flavor Leaf

(5): JarJarDrinks (2205) --> Kublai Khan (2499) --> PenguinPower (2715) --> Golden Robster (2774) -->

WhemeStar

(2958)

Day 1

Note: * = Hammer Vote

Note: ^ = Vote after hammer vote.

Dunnstral (5):

Osuka

(77) --> Texcat (1388) --> Lalendra (1623) -->

Osuka

(1758) -->

Performer

(1782)

Srceenplay

(0): (Null)

Performer

(5):

Osuka

(623) --> TheRampage (909) --> Wavemode (1051) --> Andriod18 (1765) -->

Performer

(1849)*

Joral

(0): (Null)

Almost50

(8): Hopkirk (97) --> Edosurist (226) -->

Osuka

(390) -->

Ausuka

(1205) --> (Null) (1304) --> Vaxkiller (1352) --> (Null) (1380) --> Andriod18 (1460)
Fumuki (0): (Null)
Golden Robster (13):

Almost50

(177) --> Wavemode (183) -->

Osuka

(236) -->

Ausuka (317)

--> JarJarDrinks (319) --> (Null) (546) --> Vaxkiller (602) --> (Null) (1504) --> Wavemode (1588) --> (Null) (1589) --> ArcAngel9 (1770) --> Andriod18 (1784) --> (Null) (1798)
Pine (2):

Osuka

(176) --> Andriod18 (1835)
Creature (6):

Performer

(385) --> Myloninja13 (720) --> TheRampage (813) -->

Performer

(898) --> Andriod18 (1449) -->

Performer

(1846)
Kublai Khan (6):

Osuka

(76) -->

Almost50

(122) --> Scioness Sajj (388) --> JarJarDrinks (536) -->

Osuka

(725) -->

Performer

(957)

WhemeStar

(3): Lalendra (234) --> JarJarDrinks (797) -->

Flavor Leaf

(955)
Hopkirk (9):

Osuka

(90) --> Lalendra (279) -->

Osuka

(696) --> (Null) (993) --> Wavemode (999) -->

Performer

(1273) --> (Null) (1315) -->

Performer

(1458) --> Andriod18 (1679)
Edosurist (2): Texcat (84) -->

Almost50

(222)
Gamma Emerald (3): Vaxkiller (710) --> Wavemode (1107) --> Andriod18 (1711) --> _{(Null) (1889)^}

Ausuka

(9): JarJarDrinks (89) --> Creature (104) --> Myloninja13 (429) --> (Null) (742) --> TheRampage (743) --> Wavemode (998) -->

Performer

(1604) --> Lalendra (1624) --> Andriod18 (1680)
Lalendra (3):

Almost50

(209) --> (Null) (559) -->

Performer

(1229)
EspeciallyTheLies (2):

Almost50

(83) -->

Performer

(515)
Lovebird (1): Edosurist (259)
Davesaz (1): Wavemode (1014)
Frozen Angel (3):

Performer

(1579) --> (Null) (1606) -->

Performer

(1814)
JarJarDrinks (8):

Osuka

(85) -->

Almost50

(114) --> Charles510 (186) --> Edosurist (231) -->

Osuka

(535) -->

Ausuka

(842) --> Wavemode (1112) --> Andriod18 (1410)

Osuka

(10): Wavemode (80) --> JarJarDrinks (124) --> ArcAngel9 (229) --> Pine (332) --> JarJarDrinks (353) -->

Performer

(769) --> TheRampage (771) -->

Performer

(1047) --> Vaxkiller (1359) -->

Performer

(1384)
Texcat (4):

Osuka

(79) --> Wavemode (1080) -->

Osuka

(1703) --> Andriod18 (1777)
Andriod18 (4): Kublai Khan (190) --> Lovebird (290) --> JarJarDrinks (855) -->

Performer

(1796)
ArcAngel9 (4): Texcat (81) --> TheRampage (223) --> Texcat (604) -->

Performer

(1397)
Charles510 (2): JarJarDrinks (87) --> (Null) (310)
Vaxkiller (8): JarJarDrinks (363) --> Scioness Sajj (389) --> Andriod18 (437) --> JarJarDrinks (532) --> Golden Robster (678) --> Wavemode (1078) --> TheRampage (1085) -->

Performer

(1116)
Wavemode (5): Texcat (82) --> Charles510 (131) --> (Null) (838) -->

Osuka

(867) -->

Performer

(1108)
TheRampage (3): Creature (100) --> (Null) (509) -->

Osuka

(681)
PenguinPower (1):

Performer

(1774)
Myloninja13 (4): Edosurist (233) --> JarJarDrinks (326) -->

Performer

(1554) --> Andriod18 (1787)
Scioness Sajj (4):

Ausuka

(406) --> (Null) (1325) -->

Performer

(1552) --> Andriod18 (1760)

Flavor Leaf

(1): Andriod18 (1772)

Pre-Game

Dunnstral (2): Texcat (9) --> Pine (43)

Srceenplay

(1): Andriod18 (62)
Pine (1):

Osuka

(16)
Kublai Khan (1): Pine (34)
Hopkirk (1):

Osuka

(66)
Edosurist (1): Pine (42)

Osuka

(2): Pine (28) --> Wavemode (33)
Texcat (1): Pine (44)
Wavemode (1):

Osuka

(31)

[JarJarDrinks]

if you were asking me...

lalendra, creature, robster, JarJar.

thats most likely bus to least likely bus.

lol creature didn't bus. he fought the lynch tooth n nail and was basically forced to throw down the hammer.

[JarJarDrinks]

can dunn and vax be the only scum that were off the wagon?

(other than wheme himself, of course.)

Vax aint scum

[JarJarDrinks]

the point that I'm making is that once Wheme is at L-2, and especially during/after his claim shenangiganry, he is the lynch regardless of anything JJD does.

You keep saying this and it's a misrepresentation. I could have easily taken creature up on one his offers to CFD.

[JarJarDrinks]

The ones trying to topple the WhemeStar wagon at the point where it became a legit wagon and by-passed PenguinPower were: Gamma Emerald, TehBrawlGuy, Vaxkiller, and especially Creature.

don't forget dunn:

VOTE: tehbrawlguy

We can try

[Creature]

vax, dunn, tbg, creature. major red flages there they resisted the wheme lynch HARD. very suspicious of all of these players.

Wasn't TBG like on Wheme?

[Creature]

also tf any town could resist to lynching a doc claim specially when it allows scum to eliminate all conftown/obvtown the next nights.

[Creature]

There isn't any Wheme->Creature link

Really?

Yeah you're just tunneling

[Creature]

If I really intended to preserve WhemeStar there I would've done PP instead saying it's better to mislynch a VT than doc.

[Creature]

as far as creature goes, I think he's a lot less useful than he should be and that's obnoxious, but

I'm not sure it's alignment indicative

, so I can't say I'm on board with his lynch

dude you don't think that going balls to the wall to stop a scum lynch is alignment indicative? What game are you even playing?

The fact I tried to stop scum lynch (who apparently posted their reads when it was likely they were gonna get lynched anyway) isn't AI.

The way, the reasons and my motivations are AI.

Was I really trying to defend my buddy there or was I just town who thought I had a good reason to defend him?

Sorry, but the mafia game isn't about just lynching anyone who defended scum, otherwise town winrates would be stratospheric.

[Creature]

I'm also willing to redeem myself by lynching scum that was elsewhere yet didn't do anything about the Wheme or PP wagon

[TehBrawlGuy]

how is that extreme bussing? wheme's at L-2 there and there's absolutely no counterwagon

unless JJD is incredibly bad he sees the writing on the wall there.

were you not around? It was like pulling teeth getting those 12 votes on wheme. The writing was most definately NOT on the wall.

I haven't played with him before to gauge skill level, but he's clearly better than awful.

I'm a fuggin mafia prodigy yo. Trust me, only an awful scum player would push a scumbuddy as hard as I pushed wheme.

You cant just say "hurr durr wifom" for everything that happens in a game of mafia. U might was well start using a RNG to pick scum at that point.

Pro-town play generally comes from town and anti-town play generally comes from scum. Don't convolute everything.

You know full well that I was. 10-11 of those votes weren't terribly hard to get, it was the very end that was prolonged, and that was partially because I helped prolong it.

From my experience, I don't typically see the elite players misusing the term WIFOM, so I don't really buy into your posturing.

as far as creature goes, I think he's a lot less useful than he should be and that's obnoxious, but

I'm not sure it's alignment indicative

, so I can't say I'm on board with his lynch

dude you don't think that going balls to the wall to stop a scum lynch is alignment indicative? What game are you even playing?

i was pretty clearly referring to creature's general posting style and unhelpfulness towards the end of D2

[TehBrawlGuy]

The fact I tried to stop scum lynch (who apparently posted their reads when it was likely they were gonna get lynched anyway) isn't AI.

The way, the reasons and my motivations are AI.

Was I really trying to defend my buddy there or was I just town who thought I had a good reason to defend him?

Sorry, but the mafia game isn't about just lynching anyone who defended scum, otherwise town winrates would be stratospheric.

This is good post.

It doesn't make me TR you, but it's a good post.

[Kublai Khan]

The fact I tried to stop scum lynch (who apparently posted their reads when it was likely they were gonna get lynched anyway) isn't AI.

The way, the reasons and my motivations are AI.

Was I really trying to defend my buddy there or was I just town who thought I had a good reason to defend him?

You called town idiots for voting obv-scum. And hyper-posted while saying scum-you would hyperpost to victory.

Sorry, but the mafia game isn't about just lynching anyone who defended scum, otherwise town winrates would be stratospheric.

I agree. Town would win more if we did stuff like lynching people who hard defend scum.

[JarJarDrinks]

If I really intended to preserve WhemeStar there I would've done PP instead saying it's better to mislynch a VT than doc.

Why DIDN'T you say this then? Since you kept saying that we shouldn't lynch a doc claim, wouldn't this have been the obvious suggestion?

[Kublai Khan]

If I really intended to preserve WhemeStar there I would've done PP instead saying it's better to mislynch a VT than doc.

WIFOM.

[PenguinPower]

@PenguinPower - What's your read on JarJarDrinks right now?

I think I already stated my opinion on JJD. I can see a world where he's scum, but I'm leaning town right now.

[PenguinPower]

Oh yay, Tchill is town.

So is Creature.

[Creature]

If I really intended to preserve WhemeStar there I would've done PP instead saying it's better to mislynch a VT than doc.

Why DIDN'T you say this then? Since you kept saying that we shouldn't lynch a doc claim, wouldn't this have been the obvious suggestion?

I considered PP an equally bad lynch.

[JarJarDrinks]

If I really intended to preserve WhemeStar there I would've done PP instead saying it's better to mislynch a VT than doc.

Why DIDN'T you say this then? Since you kept saying that we shouldn't lynch a doc claim, wouldn't this have been the obvious suggestion?

I'll answer for you creature:

The reason is because you didn't want to outright suggest it but you certainly tried to hint at it:

also not surprised you'd try to lynch a doc

also did PP claim something I missed?

[Creature]

I agree. Town would win more if we did stuff like lynching people who hard defend scum.

You didn't get the message.

[Ircher]

@mod: Rob is voting Dunnstral, not Tchill

That had me a bit confused.

I didn't notice that earlier, granted, I am not fact-checking stuff that much. I'll look into it.
~Ircher

[JarJarDrinks]

I considered PP an equally bad lynch.

So...

- You townread 2 people
- one is claiming doc and one is claiming VT
- You think they both equally a bad lynch

Are any of the above points incorrect?

[Creature]

can dunn and vax be the only scum that were off the wagon?

(other than wheme himself, of course.)

Vax aint scum

???