Mini 2018 - American Presidents Mafia (Game Over)

[BlackVoid]

@ErrantP, okay let's "connect." I agree that skitter30, Bernie, Gustavo are town although Gustavo for different reasons than you so we're actually on the same page here. But let's talk about your second tier townreads. All of the reasons you posted for them are pretty vague and stuff that could easily come from either alignment that you just seem to be choosing to interpret as town.

Nauci is town for early game reasons and your intuition. Can you explain that some more?

Irrelephant is town to you because he said he was sheeping Bernie on Momrangal. I can understand the argument of "why would scum say they are sheeping when they would want cred for a bus?" But it's not really a strong enough argument to outweigh an existing scumread. I could see scum using that as a reason to hop off because it's a weak reason to begin with. But I'll think this through more when I analyze him in depth.

Keyser-Soze - holding onto an early game townread. A lot has happened since early game though. I'd like to see you comment on what you think of his recent posts. Have they made you doubt that townread or mostly re-inforced them? It would be really helpful if you can get into some specifics because it's a lot easier for me to read people when they give concrete reasons rather than be really vague.

I feel like you and Nauci are looking for a reason to townread Irrelephant rather than analyze his posts and objectively reach a conclusion.

[Keyser Söze]

@skittles

Do you think scum-TW has given up today? (he’s decided for D3 to be about him, with the potential of it being 9 town vs 1 Mafia going into N3) Is he

that

confident that his scum partner is that well town read / hidden?

Is there ANYTHING from his D1/D2 play that backs up this trying-to-look-scummy-but-really-a-town-pr narrative?

[the worst]

hi walls

[the worst]

I'll read thru that l8r if I'm in the mood. anyone able to tell me if any of it was directed @ me?

[brassherald]

When going by religion, most American Presidents have been Episcopalian, including the first President, George Washington, and most recently, George H.W. Bush.

Votecount 3.01

Not_Mafia (2)

~ Irrelephant11, Keyser Soze

the worst(2)

~ Not_Mafia, Nauci

skitter30 (1)

~ Gustavo

Not Voting (5): BlackVoid, skitter30, Errantparabola, the worst, Bernie Sanders

With 10 alive it takes 6 to lynch.

Day 3 deadline is in (expired on 2018-07-27 15:30:00)

[Not_Mafia]

VOTE: Gustavo

Bad vote.

How can I make a good vote if I'm barely reading the game?

VOTE: Mom

Why did you vote Mom?

Did you decide to start reading the game?

Tell me why this isn’t a bus vote.

This isn't a bus vote

[Keyser Söze]

VOTE: Gustavo

Bad vote.

How can I make a good vote if I'm barely reading the game?

VOTE: Mom

Why did you vote Mom?

Did you decide to start reading the game?

Tell me why this isn’t a bus vote.

This isn't a bus vote

Do you dislike any of the votes on Momrangel on D2 (i.e do you think his wagon was full of 7 townies)?

[Irrelephant11]

I feel like you and Nauci are looking for a reason to townread Irrelephant rather than analyze his posts and objectively reach a conclusion.

funny I thought something v similar about you

[Irrelephant11]

Anyone around? I want to play this in real time rather than stare at previous game days for a bit

[Gustavo]

i'm around but i'm completely lost. I need to sit down and re-read but no time

[Irrelephant11]

Are there any players' alignments you feel sure of?

[Gustavo]

I feel like Bernie is probably town. NM and TW are leaning town. that's about it

[Irrelephant11]

What about NM is leaning town?

[Gustavo]

he is playing the same useless self as I have seen from him as town.

[Gustavo]

though I would definitely lynch him because I don't want him anywhere near mylo/lylo

[Gustavo]

who has analyzed mom's posts? who is most likely scum from them? I want to do it myself but again no time.

I like keyser as scum because he wasn't on the lynch but asked for a claim. You ask for a claim when someone is at L-1 and intent is given, you don't ask at l-2. i don't really see him pushing hard for that lynch either. like he didn't want to bus which makes sense as they would lose day talk.

[Irrelephant11]

Hmm okay. I guess you probably want to re-read before answering this but do you have a preferred lynch? As the closest thing to confirmed town we have, your thoughts on this definitely ought to weigh more than anyone else's.

pedit: I was gonna re-read Mom's posts after talking for a bit, and I agree that Keyser has scum potential. Reading his past games, he seems to have an aggressive side when he thinks he's found scum that he seems to be trying to reign in this game, with short occasional outbursts at players he otherwise townreads (me and Shoshin, maybe you at one point? I can't remember and will check this). I don't know why town would reign that in if it puts attention on scum. I also think I would townread his past town games p quickly as a player and I definitely am not doing that here. Then again, his votes look like town votes given scum!Mom, so I'm not going to be as quick to vote/lynch him this game day.

Is Keyser your scummiest read?

[Gustavo]

just off memory skitter and keyser but somebody said skitter was not mom's partner and I am not sure why that was said. I can't do this off memory anymore, I need to refresh my mind by reading

[Gustavo]

VOTE: not mafia

I want him to either start playing the game or gtfo. I can't accurately read somebody who doesn't allow himself to be read.

[Gustavo]

my vote stays on him until he provides a complete read list with at least some sort of explanation, especially an explanation for his scum reads.

[Keyser Söze]

I like keyser as scum because he wasn't on the lynch but asked for a claim. You ask for a claim when someone is at L-1 and intent is given, you don't ask at l-2. i don't really see him pushing hard for that lynch either. like he didn't want to bus which makes sense as they would lose day talk.

D1: I was happy with a Bernie and/or mom lynch.

D2: I was happy with a mom and/or TW lynch.

I agree that I didn't think I've pushed any of these wagons hard (but that doesn't make me scum). I think if scum are all in the lacklustre/low content/low activity slots I'll never have a meaty scum read to get excited about any of them (IMO, it's a boring way for scum to play). It'll be more about PoE this game and association theory, as I've felt much better with my town reads this game. So far... a 100% record

RE: asking for roleclaim early, that was based solely on NotMafia playing this game. It had nothing to do with my personal read of Mom. I.e if it'd been you at L-2 I'd probably been just as precautious.

[Keyser Söze]

VOTE: not mafia

I want him to either start playing the game or gtfo. I can't accurately read somebody who doesn't allow himself to be read.

"That’s a bad vote. NM is always useless. Voting them won’t help"

[Gustavo]

yes I realize what I said earlier. I'm fine with letting him get lynched now. he is either scum or town playing against his win condition.

[Keyser Söze]

yes I realize what I said earlier. I'm fine with letting him get lynched now. he is either scum or town playing against his win condition.

Good, that's why your earlier post annoyed me. It was reinforcing his playstyle. In the website I'm from we have a zero tolerance for that, which forces them to break out of their unreadable playstyle. It makes the game more enjoyable too. If NotMafia is a genius and can name me Mom's two scum partners, then please continue. Otherwise, please play as a team.

[Keyser Söze]

I am rethinking my read on Bernie, and I think he's going after low hanging fruit duck.

Bernie made a huge ass case on duck, and his tone and I agree with the lack of direction but I entirely disagree with duck being given enough space. I have that slot as null, but I honestly don't find his pred scummy outside the supposed semi-trustish whatever tell you want to call it regarding him replacing out. Even if whatsherface and skits (I think it was) told each other that they were excited to play the same alignment, I don't think replacing out should ever be alignment indicative and no one really has given duck a chance to do more than get his feet wet.

He even said that the wagon would have zero effect because he lacks time and wouldn't have it later in the week but absolutely no one has payed attention to that little tidbit.

Further more, this case on duck came when after duck said he wouldn't have any time to defend himself, and after duck is at a vulnerable L-2 (1?) position making it completely viable that duck gets lynched before he even had more time to get himself busy.

He also pushes duck but still takes a wholly neural stance on the matter so that, when popular scum read duck flips town, he can take the blame off himself considerably easier than most others gunning for his lych

Again, I don't think this is the way Mom describes/defends their scumpartner (the worst). She's begging for us to give TW a chance to prove themselves, and try to see past that suspicious replace out by Gemini.

If TW is scum this is actually some impressive anti-distancing from Momrangel here.

Perhaps this really is scum attacking town for going after lynchbait (and I had Bernie and TW completely wrong on D2)

@Gustavo

What are your thoughts on the above (RE: Momrangel-the worst associations).