Newbie 1881 - Game Over

[nancy]

Explain why your response to my vote was to say "let's 1v1 I'm gonna case you" when you've been strongly townreading me all game.

[OkaPoka]

because you have demonstrated a strong scumgame and you certainly know what you are doing. and since you voted me that means your judgement isn't perfect.

so im taking precautions against this possibility by spreading seeds of doubt

[OkaPoka]

and if you are actually town, who knows this might help because then scum might not nk you

win win because im not going to lynch you today

[OkaPoka]

actually you can lynch me today

i think whymafia can stand up to yall

[nancy]

because you have demonstrated a strong scumgame and you certainly know what you are doing. and since you voted me that means your judgement isn't perfect.

so im taking precautions against this possibility by spreading seeds of doubt

This doesn't make sense? You should already have been thinking that my judgement isn't perfect, because I've been strongly disagreeing with your Trinity scumread for a while. And like, duh, my judgement isn't perfect, I'm human.

Who is mafia, Oka? Talk about your reads.

[OkaPoka]

Oka, you asked for examples, so here’s a couple of things:

First, you said this:

Typically speaking, you should at least check in once every 24 hours at the bare minimum to comment on things, answer questions, or ask questions, but as the deadline gets closer, it is good to increase your posting and be more active, especially if no real lynch candidates have been presented imo.

Then, you said this about me to start reading me in scum, even though I was doing exactly what you said in the post above. And this seems to be the only reason you have for reading me as scum. I just don’t think it’s a good enough reason. It’s like you’re clutching at straws. you even noted you didn’t have any questions for me. And since this post, you’ve been constantly on my case.

yeah i think trinity is scum, she hasn't really meaningful engaged with anyone without really being prompted to.
feels like she is reading the thread, answers any questions directed at her and then disappears
town would be more proactive imo

VOTE: trinity
ff might hate me for voting her already but i don't really have questions for her

Below is an example of another post from you I didn’t like. I couldn’t see why you would ask this question.

@nancy what are the point of these questions, especially question number 3

Having spent about the last two hours reading recent posts, and responding, I’m coming to the conclusion that you might not be mafia after all. I think your push on me is so strong, that if I am mislynched, you would look really suspicious because your push has been so strong, and I don’t think you are that stupid. I think if you were mafia you would have been easing back a bit on me and letting others do the work. So after all that, I’m reading you as town now.

UNVOTE: OkaPoka

I have no idea who to vote for now, that will have to be tomorrow’s job, I’ve spent too much time here tonight already.

I hope I’ve answered everyone’s questions.

I'm going to respond to this:

I'm not scumreading you for inactivity, otherwise flicker would be on the chopping block. I'm not scumreading you for not asking questions. I'm scumreading you because I don't see the town motivation behind your questions, I see no room to grow with your reads from you questions, in fact most read progression from you is looking like more and more people are moving to town rather than the other way.

And I responded to that exact question coming from flicker. You can find my reasoning, but sure I guess you can still not like it.

But here's the thing.

Talk to me about ff, write up a case with some evidence

OK, so I know this is going to make me look flaky, but looking for evidence has just made me confused! FF looks to me like apart from the interaction with Quick, he’s mainly spent time leaning on Oka and not really putting in the effort on everyone else. And I don’t think he’s tried hard to defend the votes on him. But I’ve had to admit that I do like that he’s after Oka as I think Oka could be scum, which would possibly, but not definitely, mean that FF isn’t.

My current thinking is:

Nancy - strong town. We all know why.
Oka - scum lean, mainly because of the weak case he was trying to make on me, and poor answers to questions others have asked.
Iceman - slight town lean, as I’ve liked his theory posts, although his vote on Quick seemed a bit forced, and not for the best of reasons. I don’t think not reading posts is AI.
Quick - slight scum lean. I initially didn’t think scum would be so blasé about the attack from IceMan. But some of his posts are scummy sounding, like ‘you are trying to upset me more and get me to make a mistake’. As mafia in the last game I worried about making mistakes, but in this game I’m not worried so much as what sort of mistakes can I make? I mean, I can make silly mistakes where people might think I’m stupid, but I can’t think what type of think a ‘mistake’ I could make that would be really bad.
Flicker - slight scum lean, the unvote of Oka seems strange.
Eragon - town lean originally, as he came in with a hiss and a roar, but that has tapered off, so null at the moment.
Why Mafia - town lean. I’m linking his posts. He’s put in a lot of effort really quickly and looks like he’s making an effort to understand the game, and made some good cases.
FF - was my strongest scum lean, but I’m backing off that, as noted above.

UNVOTE: FormerFish

The wording on your scumread on me suggests that you didn't like my answers to questions other people asked. But as far as I can tell, you are listing posts you don't like, and none of these disliked posts can really be categorized as answers to other people's questions.

So yeah I'm sticking on this for now.

[OkaPoka]

because you have demonstrated a strong scumgame and you certainly know what you are doing. and since you voted me that means your judgement isn't perfect.

so im taking precautions against this possibility by spreading seeds of doubt

This doesn't make sense? You should already have been thinking that my judgement isn't perfect, because I've been strongly disagreeing with your Trinity scumread for a while. And like, duh, my judgement isn't perfect, I'm human.

Who is mafia, Oka? Talk about your reads.

What? I don't have a guilty on trinity that confirms her as scum, I just find it most likely that she is scum.

My point about judgement is probably flawed, but my point is you haven't really demonstrated anything extraordinarily town with extremely accurate reads, verified by your vote on me. I just played a game in which somebody seemed to be trolling with their reads but it turns out they did just have really good judgement.

Talk about your reads without feelings.

Mafia: I think Trinity is the safest bet for mafia for me. But her flip is going to of course cause a massive reread.

My scumreads are still on Trinity, Iceman, and Eragon

[Formerfish]

Town is on to you.

I think its the comments like this that come off as desperate to me. Like someone trying to fit in based off 80's information. Like it seems legit, but something is off about it.

FF, this was just me trying to be funny. I guess it failed.

My brother scum reads me in games when my attempts at humor come off stale. Says it comes across as try hard.

[OkaPoka]

oh hi FF, you are probably going to hate my last dozen posts

have fun reading them!

[nancy]

Iceman, and Eragon

Talk about these two, and talk about your townreads, please.

[OkaPoka]

Iceman seems insistent on defending trinity for some odd reason, he keeps using meta and even admits he is letting bias dominate his views. Formerfish isn't as insistent on defending trinity even though they have a similar grasp on her meta. Either Iceman is playing for the pocket or he is giving a hail mary to stop her lynch, which I guess is working. Also his whole policy lynch shenanigans just doesn't come from a town perspective.

Eragon: weak interaction, lack of pushing people. He might turn around d2 but for now its scum.


100% Town: Me

Quick is probably town, has interacted a lot and engaged with people, doesn't particularly care about coming off as town.

Formerfish is someone I'm inclined to mark town now, he has done what quick has but also he has had such a long time to rejoin my wagon and double down on lynching me when I'm such an easy lynch for him to push that I don't see this as scum!FF. Though this could just be a long con from him.

everyone else has big question marks:

nancy: I'd mark this as town everytime, if it weren't for your scum games. It's apparent that you can play scum and you know how to. I just fear that I am overlooking things and you could actually be scum.

[Formerfish]

If I was scum, I don’t know why I would spend time interacting with Nancy, I’d be avoiding her like the plague, as I’m not experienced enough to outsmart her.

Not if you saw a way to exploit her here. You as a newbie with 1 game under your belt, and as scum no less, would be just the person to cozy up to the IC here. You laugh at her jokes, gush at her posting and say a few things that parrot some of what she's been saying. You're not doing it because you can outsmart her, you're doing it because you need her to look out for you and take you under her wing so to say. It's a keep your friends close and enemies closer situation.

[Formerfish]

Luckily though, we have enough experienced and vocal players this game to counterract and the possibility of nancy!scum but I'm just saying be cautious.

nancy shouldn't be the lynch today however, I'm not saying she is scum, I'm saying that if you look at her meta, marking her conf town is just simply dangerous, she can play scum extremely well

response to nancy post inc

Does anyone remember off hand how Oka reacted to Iceman talking about lynching ICs? I'm on my phone and at the park so searching is limited. Just curious to see what he said then.

[OkaPoka]

yeah OkaPoka was fucking pissed that someone would dare suggest policylynching people.

but oh how the turn tables.

[OkaPoka]

(this is not a suggestion of a policy lynch)

(this is a suggestion of be wary of what nancy is trying to do because she might be that good at scum)

[Formerfish]

oh hi FF, you are probably going to hate my last dozen posts

have fun reading them!

Why do you think that?

[Micc]

Votecount 1.17

OkaPoka (2) -

IcemanCh, WhyMafia

Formerfish (1) -

Quick

TrinityNZ (1) -

OkaPoka

Quick (1) -

Formerfish

WhyMafia (1) -

Flicker

Not Voting (3) -

Eragon, TrinityNZ, nancy

With 9 players alive it takes 5 votes to lynch.

The deadline for Day 1 is in (expired on 2018-07-23 11:49:57).

Flicker is V/LA until 7/20.

[OkaPoka]

oh hi FF, you are probably going to hate my last dozen posts

have fun reading them!

Why do you think that?

didn't i pull a similar stunt with you last game and then you wanted to hang me for it

also how are less people voting

[Formerfish]

yeah OkaPoka was fucking pissed that someone would dare suggest policylynching people.

but oh how the turn tables.

If that's true and how you reacted you see why I would have an issue with you now suggesting the course of action you were so venomously opposed to when someone else made it right?

Like you have to know that flip flopping that way is going to be read poorly.

[OkaPoka]

I'm not suggesting a nancy policy lynch

I'm suggesting a reconsideration of townreading nancy.

[Formerfish]

I'm not suggesting a nancy policy lynch

I'm suggesting a reconsideration of townreading nancy.

Neither was Iceman. He said if you are on day 3 and the IC is still around they deserve a hard look.

You literally just said you are trying to sow seeds of doubt in our minds as to what alignment Nancy is, and that if she doesn't die tonight to look at her tomorrow on d2.

[OkaPoka]

No? Iceman was saying that we should policy lynch the IC the day before lylo.

[IcemanCh]

No? Iceman was saying that we should policy lynch the IC the day before lylo.

Wrong that's what several people misconstrued it into.

I reiterated my point several times in that its very easy for new players to completely trust the IC by mistake. The IC can easily manipulate the new players and sometimes do it on accident.

My statement was that if the IC is still around by day 3 there should be some extra scrutiny placed on them. More so then a non-ic.

[Formerfish]

No? Iceman was saying that we should policy lynch the IC the day before lylo.

No? Iceman was saying that we should policy lynch the IC the day before lylo.

Wrong that's what several people misconstrued it into.

I reiterated my point several times in that its very easy for new players to completely trust the IC by mistake. The IC can easily manipulate the new players and sometimes do it on accident.

My statement was that if the IC is still around by day 3 there should be some extra scrutiny placed on them. More so then a non-ic.

Odd how I was able to understand what he said when he said it enough to be able to argue for him there. And then to be able to paraphrase it now to show you how your view point on what he did was incorrect. That ish is crazy bro, its like reading ability and retention are a thing you need to have in this game.

[IcemanCh]

I'm going to unvote so that I don't have to watch thread carefully to make sure people don't get overexcited and hammer him when have ~5 days until deadline.

Unvote

No... this is not normal. What's up with thay.