Mini 2018 - American Presidents Mafia (Game Over)

[the worst]

andddffdfff EP hates me

[Irrelephant11]

Hey the worst! Why does EP hate you?

[the worst]

He should have let me gambit in style rather than killing my buzz.

[the worst]

also hey Irrelephant11

FTR I'm still maybe 8 pages behind?

[Irrelephant11]

Okay, we talked about BlackVoid and NM and you a lot, with some other stuff in there

Do you have a Guilty on someone?

[Nauci]

Why would scum errant so sure of TW being a PR recruit instead of NK him, and request for TW investigate him?

TW is what Errant claims happened in the neighborhood true?

[the worst]

pretty much ya

[the worst]

back at a job again, the timezones on this list are killing me more than anything else rn I think. I'll be back a bit later.

[Errantparabola]

STOP WORKING WORST
MAFIA IS YOUR JOB NOW

[Nauci]

I think scumEP+townTW is not possible

[brassherald]

George W. Bush is a United Methodist, joined by three other presidents including the one Gamma Emerald got, Ulysses S. Grant.

Votecount 3.02

Not_Mafia (3)

~ Irrelephant11, Keyser Soze, Gustavo

the worst(1)

~ Nauci

Errantparabola (1)

~ Not_Mafia

Not Voting (5): BlackVoid, skitter30, Errantparabola, the worst, Bernie Sanders

With 10 alive it takes 6 to lynch.

Day 3 deadline is in (expired on 2018-07-27 15:30:00)

[skitter30]

HURT: duckling

I know this was likely not intended as a vote, but I want to be clear if this was intended to be a vote, it isn't. -brass

[the worst]

ow, that hurt.

[Bernie Sanders]

VOTE: N_M think PoE wise this probably has to be scum at this point with anti TW-Errant assoc

[Irrelephant11]

What does TW-Errant’s lack of scum association have to do with NM being scum? Are TW and Errant your only other two scum possibilities?

[Irrelephant11]

ow, that hurt.

Are you just waiting for someone to help you out of the role claim mess you’re in? Or for BV to respond to what EP has said? Or like, what’s left for you to wait for, that you’re not posting more game advancing content?

[Bernie Sanders]

TW as-is has committed to outing some result by the end of the day

and, although this is my restriction, he has to at minimum fullclaim a day previous to any possible mylo or lylo if things degrade to that point
although I really would expect him if town to be killed by then
if scum he can still then be CCd or got via a conflict there (or if town and scum cc'd he gets caught out on the return) and forces the point, either scum die that day, or in return lynch at worst, or no cc happens and duckfirmed town if he is

[Bernie Sanders]

maybe EP and TW just claimed their scum pt as a neighbourhood in the ultimate gambit strat

[Gustavo]

maybe EP and TW just claimed their scum pt as a neighbourhood in the ultimate gambit strat

I thought about that

[Gustavo]

I’m looking at what we’ve had flipped so far, taking into account my role and other roles it’s not enough info for breaking the setup yet.

[Nauci]

maybe EP and TW just claimed their scum pt as a neighbourhood in the ultimate gambit strat

I mean that would be hilariously suicidal

theoretically with at least 1 mafia PR (I mean, encryptor is a pretty powerful PR for 13 player, right?), there's at least 1 TPR who could CC if BOTH of them claim to be TPR

because there's no way there are 4 TPR in a 13p normal I think? I would glare at Brass forever if there were

which I suppose means

no matter what TW's role claim is, if someone CC's TPR at all, then *at least* TW is scum, if not both

and if TW is scum but Errant is town, then TW is probably doing this in hopes that the remaining TPR CC's so scum can NK them even if TW gets lynched tomorrow worst case because there was almost no chance that TW would make it through D4 in any case because half the town is happy to lynch him today (and yesterday), which would make this a great play for Scum Worst

I'm having trouble with how his actions make sense as a TPR however, especially if he and Errant round out the TPR cast for this game.

tl;dr

If there's another town PR in this game do not claim today even as a CC unless you're -1; there's no reason to when at worst, the worst will be lynched tomorrow for lying

(except in the seemingly extremely unlikely scenario of a scum Errant thinking TW is a Town PR and neighborizing him for crazy 11th dimensional chess town credit instead of killing a 2nd TPR on N3)

[Bernie Sanders]

Would never ordinarily recommend cutting someone doing what TW is this game this much slack but there is a fairly big power shortage here that makes me somewhat wary. doctor wasn't even full but oddnight

Also logically TW should know on some level the risk associated with softing if he is scum but doing it when mom the encryptor was the clear other lynch to him would be just kind of dumb I think (though maybe he's just bad at scum)

neighbouriser is almost negligible in any power sense if town and one that gives neighbourhoods that delayed and nightonly feels like it sucks even compared to neighbourisers im used to
if EP felt scummier here I'd completely ignore the claim altogether WRT pushing or lynching him BTW but he doesn't really stick out besides being kind of unengaged (although maybe that's why it's hard to tell)

[Nauci]

I haven't had time to really get into it but someone mentioned earlier that I looked like I was too eager to sheep irrelephant about scumreading BV or something

You'll notice that I've been paranoid and unable to read BV for most of the game because I don't think his analysis has been super AI, and that I've been wanting to case him the whole time, so when someone started talking about it, I was excited about it.

Especially because that someone is a player that I am now townreading (another thing that I will explain later when I have more moments to write a stupid wall)

For now we're all waiting for TW to stop fucking with us, ya?

[Nauci]

A whole lot of shit this game is contingent on TW revealing shit.

-What were your results N1 and N2?
-Why did you choose those targets?
-Why did you say you were probably the NK target for N1 on D2?

[Bernie Sanders]

btw I remembered from one of the times reading mom iso but
mom-invisibility thing on the surface might seem anti-tell on most surface level but is pretty common to how noobscum and sometimes badscum distance
rvs partnervote is almost infamous as is votepark on partner but dont really push him and sleep off most of other game happenings