NY 213 - Game Over!

[Vaxkiller]

I could prolly do a lala lynch now.

[Ankamius]

Who'd have thunk androids replacement would be more useless than android?

Man someone is sour today

[texcat]

He retracted the claim the next day though.

The reason it's dumb to fakeclaim vig as scum is cause if there is a real vig out there then he will shoot you.

Retracting the claim the next day doesn't remove the reason for it being a terrible scum play.

Thanks. I get you. I was thinking that it was just because you'd be exposed sooner rather than later as fake. And Rob's explanation that it was Vax's appeal to emotion that made him town didn't help.

[texcat]

Now if I could just understand why people are town reading Mylo....

[Tchill13]

Creature, why'd u leave the lala wagon?

It felt pointless.

Why did it feel pointless? Hopkirk and flavor both said she's scum. They're both confirmed town. Flavor was dead on with his weme read. Weme openly committed wifom to make sure scum were able to kill flavor (which means he was a huge threat).

I'm 99 percent sure flavor called out two scum members at least. If that's true I'd be willing to bet on lalendra the most out of his call outs.

[Lalendra]

Are there only two scum? Because it seems to me I have one more to find.

that was my point. you said were too busy looking for scum to defend yourself/. Wondering when the scumhunting was gonna start?

Do you have an actual question or are you just going to nitpick me to death?

[Lalendra]

I'm 99 percent sure flavor called out two scum members at least. If that's true I'd be willing to bet on lalendra the most out of his call outs.

I was starting to think you could actually read me tchill

[Hopkirk]

I'm not going to waste my time defending myself against the wagon that's forming, other than to say I'm town. I prefer to spend my time trying to find the actual scum. But I'll answer any questions people have.

Just quoting this.
So why is TBG scum for you, outside of last minute wagon related reasoning? Was he not a scumread before then? Who was?

[Hopkirk]

I can't tell if mylo is still here. If only there was someone who could tell us.

[Gamma Emerald]

activity isn't alignment indicative and meta is shit reasoning

It is for Creature
and MU uses meta a lot and has significantly improved winrates to ms so I disagree with that

[Gamma Emerald]

activity isn't alignment indicative and meta is shit reasoning

also this following the massive sample size is reading as a "nuh-uh you're wrong"

[Gamma Emerald]

The wagon always had a ton of votes
and I didn't like the way it just seemed to always go to him, sorta the same logic that made me dislike the performer wagon
also I think you may have the timeline wrong, I never voted wheme until I noted the inconsistency

fair enough

what do you think about dun right now?

I already said what my thoughts on him have been throughout the game
could you give a small case on dunn? And I promise to actually pay attention for it.

[Hopkirk]

town: flavor/hopkirk, kk, jarjar, etl (from d1, needs updating).
town???: mylo13, gamma, golden robster, penguinpower,
null: and everybody i forgot about
scum???: texcat, lalendra? (i can't tell how much of it it's peculiar posting style and how much is weird motions), andriod, wave (not really in lynchable pile, but doesn't fit anywhere else).

there is no 'scum' because this is based on pages 100-116 +what i remember thinking of slots from d1. i'd put andriod in scums since nobody is willing to explain their townread on it but it will do just fine in

VOTE: andriod18

When did you actually start townreading TBG? As far as I can tell it comes from nowhere around when I say we could always wagon TBG and you switch to the PP counterwagon.
That's despite there being any obvious evidence that you reread anything of TBG since you had him as neutral/not memorable enough for your reads list and I didn't get the impression you actually reread/reisod stuff after that.

[Gamma Emerald]

Well it's a very easy to agree with stance, that's why it SHOULDN'T get a free pass. I don't SR mylo, in fact I think he's just barely on my townside, but I dislike foolish play.

mylo feels lynchbaity if anything

this is true
but that doesn't mean he should get a pass for a very easy gamestate analysis.

[Hopkirk]

PP was the counterwagon. TBG wasn't happening. Probably scum too.

[Gamma Emerald]

Scum usually bus at least one of their teammates in a game this large

you have statistics on this? there's almost certainly scum on his wagon, but to say he definitely bussed a teammate is a completely nonsensical assumption

not really stats but I've rolled scum and faced down scum in enough big games to know that they seem to get this headass idea that bussing incessantly is a good idea
no it's not, you'll get stuck in a PoE trap

[Creature]

Too many scum to lynch

[Creature]

This game is boring

[Creature]

Call me when the obvscum are all gone

[Creature]

I need to read my scientific bible now.

[Hopkirk]

not feeling those wagons today.
wheme over penguin, but we may have to go back to PP anyway.

VOTE: whemestar

After yesterday I feel okay with my vote on Wheme.

I have no idea how Texcat could make that post asking about extension (not to say it looked like giving an extension would suggest answer) and then asks about Mylo.

VOTE: penguinpower
Don't scumread tbg, nor do I want another claim.

Will switched if needed.

This looks more like scum who jumps off when Wheme fakeclaims than Dunn. Goes onto Wheme despite no stated scumread (from a loneish wagon) on Wheme, jumps off Wheme after the claim onto the Penguin counterwagon. Also the reluctancy in the initial Wheme vote (we'll probably go back to penguin)- despite not being on Penguin- sounds like someone planning to hop off/not comitted.

[Gamma Emerald]

He retracted the claim the next day though.

The reason it's dumb to fakeclaim vig as scum is cause if there is a real vig out there then he will shoot you.

Retracting the claim the next day doesn't remove the reason for it being a terrible scum play.

Actually the way it played out I see it as a good scum play. You die, tada you have confirmed a vig exists. You live, you know that there is not a vig. I will state if Vaxkiller is scum I'd expect a BIG scumteam, like 6-7, as being willing to make that sacrifice sorta implies that.

[Hopkirk]

Creature, are you disliking any of these lynches (Lalendra, Scion, TBG, maybe Pine)?

[Gamma Emerald]

Are there only two scum? Because it seems to me I have one more to find.

that was my point. you said were too busy looking for scum to defend yourself/. Wondering when the scumhunting was gonna start?

Wait Lalendra you seriously expect only 4 scum?

[Creature]

Creature, are you disliking any of these lynches (Lalendra, Scion, TBG, maybe Pine)?

No, at most am hesitant about TBG.