So first having a go at Taly’s Elbirn case -
Taly
I spent about half an hour going over your case on Elbirn and decided I wasn’t going to spend 2 hours putting together a wall to argue with you. So I’ll summarize my thoughts and why I’m not really swayed at all on Elbirn. I think your case can be summed up as follows.
1. Elbirn doesn’t play like you think Town should.
2. Elbirn chose to challenge those who scum-read or questioned him (Inferno, Flubber being prime examples).
3. Elbirn chose to push his own angles (xyzzy) while ignoring Dram.
That I think is your distilled case. And while I appreciate the effort I don’t see it. Frankly I think you went in with a pre-conceived notion and fit the posts to your case as opposed to the other way around. I get the feeling his push on you upon replacing in gave you a sour taste and you let that taint how you approached him. And frankly I don’t think his stance was unreasonable. I was not a fan of your early posting either.
I see Elbirn as having Town posts and being frustrated with the spammy nature of this game.
I don’t see his turn around in Inferno in
232 and HitAlt in
794 as scum motivated. Frankly I think scum have every reason to keep static reads on players who make themselves lynchable. And while you’ve called his slot scummy for ignoring the wagons on HitAlt and Flubber (one of which I have as a solid Town read and the other flipped Town) I’m not seeing only scum motivation in his reasons for doing so. Frankly if Xyzzy is Town there are tons of players who look very bad for jumping there (some of which are in your Townblock). So holding Elbirn to a higher standard than others isn’t solid play.
I mean if you want to push on that slot
507 where he downplays Dram’s playstyle perhaps to prevent pressure from forming there I could possibly see . Meanwhile his challenge to Inferno in that same post feels very Town to my eyes. But in your write-up the part that is most damning is almost an afterthought to you.
Taly
– I want you to re-read your own case from those posts on Sky. Because that on the other hand I think makes a solid bit of reasoning why Sky is scum.
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@Andy
– Do me a favor and just don’t bother jousting with Inferno. He’s probably Town who just doesn’t understand that people not agreeing with him is not a scum-tell. I mean you probably saw all you needed to see when he thought his claimed Visitor role was somehow a counter-claim to Ducking’s “Vig” claim. We aren’t talking Spyrex here … we are talking Furculow or Chesskid.
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Duckling if you aren’t a SK after posting this I don’t think we can be friends. This is just so bad.
In post 2212, Almost50 wrote:Not convinced Pine would include 3 similar roles in this setup, but I'm not exactly an expert in his modding meta either, so I'll just say I'm skeptical.
Maybe they should (or at least the two FVs of them) target me tonight? That sure makes me a prime NK target as well, but I think that would relief many of you (those who were willing to lynch my predecessor)
You do know I’m Odd Night and Inferno’s role is effectively a VT except it can be proven by Track / Watch type roles, right Almost?
In post 2214, Almost50 wrote:I could switch my vote to Andrius if you say the case on him is good enough.
So Andy’s confirmed Town. Was I wrong on Elbirn and Taly has it right Almost?
"I am a leaf on the wind ... watch how I soar!"
Pretty much Geriatric game restricted at this point ... unless there are players I REALLY want to play with.
.. that's the spirit. I was gazing with surprise you TR'd the slot I replaced into.. 