NY 213 - Game Over!

[Hopkirk]

I do need to reread TBG at some point, though I'd expect a wagon there if he was scum- unless more scum were bussing than it looked.
That's probably the case with a deepwolf and all though.

[Hopkirk]

I think I could see TBG town. I want to read some of his other stuff some time.

[Ircher]

Day 3 VC #10

Dunnstral (2) - Golden Robster (3559), Myloninja13 (3765)
Creature (1) - Kublai Khan (3511)

Lalendra (7) - Hopkirk (3661), Ausuka (3677), PenguinPower (3678), Tchill13 (3690), Wavemode (3716), JarJarDrinks (3721), Ankamius (3801)

JarJarDrinks (0) -
Texcat (3) - Creature (3744), Scioness Sajj (3756), TehBrawlGuy (3790)
TehBrawlGuy (1) - Lalendra (3719)
Myloninja13 (2) - Dunnstral (3463), Texcat (3637)
Not Voting (4) - Frozen Angel, Gamma Emerald, Pine, Vaxkiller

Lynch Threshold

During day 3, it takes 11 votes to lynch a player.

Deadline

Day 3 ends on July 24, 2018 8:00 PM EDT (GMT-4:00) or in (expired on 2018-07-24 20:00:00).

Moderator Notes

If you have consistent weekend V/LA, you must remind me every weekend, or I will prod you. Alternatively, you can set V/LA tags each weekend.
PenguinPower is V/LA from July 19 to July 22.
If you notice any mistakes, please point them out. (That includes looking at the voting history.)

Spoiler: Current Voting History

Day 3

Dunnstral: Myloninja13 (3463)
Golden Robster: Dunnstral (3559)
Creature: Texcat (3472) --> Lalendra (3681) --> Texcat (3744)
Kublai Khan: Creature (3511)
Hopkirk: Lalendra (3661)

Ausuka

: Myloninja13 (3640) --> Lalendra (3677)
Lalendra: TehBrawlGuy (3719)
Tchill13: Lalendra (3690)
JarJarDrinks: Creature (3616) --> (Null) (3694) --> Lalendra (3695) --> Dunnstral (3704) --> Lalendra (3721)
Ankamius: Lalendra (3801)
Texcat: Myloninja13 (3637)
TehBrawlGuy: JarJarDrinks (3466) --> Texcat (3790)
Wavemode: TehBrawlGuy (3468) --> Lalendra (3716)
PenguinPower: Texcat (3473) --> Myloninja13 (3643) --> Lalendra (3678)
Myloninja13: Dunnstral (3765)
Scioness Sajj: Texcat (3756)

Spoiler: Previous Voting History

Day 2

Note: * - Hammer Vote

Dunnstral (4): Myloninja13 (1942) --> JarJarDrinks (2206) --> PenguinPower (3242) --> TehBrawlGuy (3248)
Golden Robster (17): Hopkirk (2078) --> (Null) (2096) --> PenguinPower (2112) --> Scioness Sajj (2152) --> Vaxkiller (2171) --> (Null) (2288) --> Creature (2299) -->

WhemeStar

(2304) --> Wavemode (2367) --> Scioness Sajj (2432) --> TehBrawlGuy (2526) -->

Flavor Leaf

(2642) --> (Null) (2783) --> PenguinPower (2979) -->

WhemeStar

(3099) --> (Null) (3284) -->

WhemeStar

(3286)
Pine (1): Andriod18 (1936)
Creature (3): Myloninja13 (1941) --> PenguinPower (2835) -->

WhemeStar

(3453*)
Kublai Khan (5):

Flavor Leaf

(1944) --> (Null) (2366) --> Vaxkiller (2423) --> PenguinPower (2899) -->

WhemeStar

(3027)

WhemeStar

(4): Vaxkiller (2245) --> JarJarDrinks (2301) -->

Flavor Leaf

(2542) --> PenguinPower (2930)
Hopkirk (5): Andriod18 (2197) --> Kublai Khan (2346) --> (Null) (2781) ==> (Null) (2782) -->

WhemeStar

(3008)
Gamma Emerald (5): Kublai Khan (2488) --> Golden Robster (2839) --> (Null) (2867) --> PenguinPower (2990) -->

WhemeStar

(3318)

Ausuka

(7): PenguinPower (1960) --> Myloninja13 (2434) -->

Flavor Leaf

(2504) --> (Null) (2573) --> Myloninja13 (2574) --> TehBrawlGuy (3023) -->

WhemeStar

(3293)
Lalendra (7): Vaxkiller (2184) --> JarJarDrinks (2334) --> Andriod18 (2503) -->

Flavor Leaf

(2657) --> (Null) (2705) --> PenguinPower (2809) -->

WhemeStar

(3097)
EspeciallyTheLies (1): PenguinPower (1996)
JarJarDrinks (10): Andriod18 (1945) --> EspeciallyTheLies (2041) --> (Null) (2066) --> Andriod18 (2192) -->

Flavor Leaf

(2327) --> (Null) (2612) -->

Flavor Leaf

(2640) --> (Null) (2755) --> Andriod18 (2943) -->

WhemeStar

(3030)
Andriod18 (2): JarJarDrinks (2116) --> Kublai Khan (2533)
Texcat (2): ArcAngel9 (1987) --> Myloninja13 (2552)
ArcAngel9 (1): Texcat (2072)
TehBrawlGuy (7): (Null) (2535) --> Wavemode (2690) -->

WhemeStar

(3062) --> (Null) (3118) -->

WhemeStar

(3165) --> (Null) (3196) -->

WhemeStar

(3233)
Vaxkiller (5):

WhemeStar

(2343) --> Myloninja13 (2472) --> PenguinPower (3012) -->

WhemeStar

(3112) --> PenguinPower (3290)
Wavemode (6): Texcat (2044) --> Andriod18 (2331) -->

Flavor Leaf

(2635) --> (Null) (2800) -->

WhemeStar

(2966) ==>

WhemeStar

(3115)
PenguinPower (7): Myloninja13 (1947) --> Kublai Khan (2572) -->

Flavor Leaf

(2709) --> Myloninja13 (2759) --> Golden Robster (2775) --> (Null) (2894) -->

WhemeStar

(2962)
Myloninja13 (1): PenguinPower (2437)
Scioness Sajj (3): Andriod18 (2904) -->

WhemeStar

(3034) --> PenguinPower (3255)

Flavor Leaf

(5): JarJarDrinks (2205) --> Kublai Khan (2499) --> PenguinPower (2715) --> Golden Robster (2774) -->

WhemeStar

(2958)

Day 1

Note: * = Hammer Vote

Note: ^ = Vote after hammer vote.

Dunnstral (5):

Osuka

(77) --> Texcat (1388) --> Lalendra (1623) -->

Osuka

(1758) -->

Performer

(1782)

Srceenplay

(0): (Null)

Performer

(5):

Osuka

(623) --> TheRampage (909) --> Wavemode (1051) --> Andriod18 (1765) -->

Performer

(1849)*

Joral

(0): (Null)

Almost50

(8): Hopkirk (97) --> Edosurist (226) -->

Osuka

(390) -->

Ausuka

(1205) --> (Null) (1304) --> Vaxkiller (1352) --> (Null) (1380) --> Andriod18 (1460)
Fumuki (0): (Null)
Golden Robster (13):

Almost50

(177) --> Wavemode (183) -->

Osuka

(236) -->

Ausuka (317)

--> JarJarDrinks (319) --> (Null) (546) --> Vaxkiller (602) --> (Null) (1504) --> Wavemode (1588) --> (Null) (1589) --> ArcAngel9 (1770) --> Andriod18 (1784) --> (Null) (1798)
Pine (2):

Osuka

(176) --> Andriod18 (1835)
Creature (6):

Performer

(385) --> Myloninja13 (720) --> TheRampage (813) -->

Performer

(898) --> Andriod18 (1449) -->

Performer

(1846)
Kublai Khan (6):

Osuka

(76) -->

Almost50

(122) --> Scioness Sajj (388) --> JarJarDrinks (536) -->

Osuka

(725) -->

Performer

(957)

WhemeStar

(3): Lalendra (234) --> JarJarDrinks (797) -->

Flavor Leaf

(955)
Hopkirk (9):

Osuka

(90) --> Lalendra (279) -->

Osuka

(696) --> (Null) (993) --> Wavemode (999) -->

Performer

(1273) --> (Null) (1315) -->

Performer

(1458) --> Andriod18 (1679)
Edosurist (2): Texcat (84) -->

Almost50

(222)
Gamma Emerald (3): Vaxkiller (710) --> Wavemode (1107) --> Andriod18 (1711) --> _{(Null) (1889)^}

Ausuka

(9): JarJarDrinks (89) --> Creature (104) --> Myloninja13 (429) --> (Null) (742) --> TheRampage (743) --> Wavemode (998) -->

Performer

(1604) --> Lalendra (1624) --> Andriod18 (1680)
Lalendra (3):

Almost50

(209) --> (Null) (559) -->

Performer

(1229)
EspeciallyTheLies (2):

Almost50

(83) -->

Performer

(515)
Lovebird (1): Edosurist (259)
Davesaz (1): Wavemode (1014)
Frozen Angel (3):

Performer

(1579) --> (Null) (1606) -->

Performer

(1814)
JarJarDrinks (8):

Osuka

(85) -->

Almost50

(114) --> Charles510 (186) --> Edosurist (231) -->

Osuka

(535) -->

Ausuka

(842) --> Wavemode (1112) --> Andriod18 (1410)

Osuka

(10): Wavemode (80) --> JarJarDrinks (124) --> ArcAngel9 (229) --> Pine (332) --> JarJarDrinks (353) -->

Performer

(769) --> TheRampage (771) -->

Performer

(1047) --> Vaxkiller (1359) -->

Performer

(1384)
Texcat (4):

Osuka

(79) --> Wavemode (1080) -->

Osuka

(1703) --> Andriod18 (1777)
Andriod18 (4): Kublai Khan (190) --> Lovebird (290) --> JarJarDrinks (855) -->

Performer

(1796)
ArcAngel9 (4): Texcat (81) --> TheRampage (223) --> Texcat (604) -->

Performer

(1397)
Charles510 (2): JarJarDrinks (87) --> (Null) (310)
Vaxkiller (8): JarJarDrinks (363) --> Scioness Sajj (389) --> Andriod18 (437) --> JarJarDrinks (532) --> Golden Robster (678) --> Wavemode (1078) --> TheRampage (1085) -->

Performer

(1116)
Wavemode (5): Texcat (82) --> Charles510 (131) --> (Null) (838) -->

Osuka

(867) -->

Performer

(1108)
TheRampage (3): Creature (100) --> (Null) (509) -->

Osuka

(681)
PenguinPower (1):

Performer

(1774)
Myloninja13 (4): Edosurist (233) --> JarJarDrinks (326) -->

Performer

(1554) --> Andriod18 (1787)
Scioness Sajj (4):

Ausuka

(406) --> (Null) (1325) -->

Performer

(1552) --> Andriod18 (1760)

Flavor Leaf

(1): Andriod18 (1772)

Pre-Game

Dunnstral (2): Texcat (9) --> Pine (43)

Srceenplay

(1): Andriod18 (62)
Pine (1):

Osuka

(16)
Kublai Khan (1): Pine (34)
Hopkirk (1):

Osuka

(66)
Edosurist (1): Pine (42)

Osuka

(2): Pine (28) --> Wavemode (33)
Texcat (1): Pine (44)
Wavemode (1):

Osuka

(31)

[Hopkirk]

I think I could see TBG town. I want to read some of his other stuff some time.

Not that I think he's town. I need to reread it when I'm not tired to decide there.

[Lalendra]

I'm not going to waste my time defending myself against the wagon that's forming, other than to say I'm town. I prefer to spend my time trying to find the actual scum. But I'll answer any questions people have.

Just quoting this.
So why is TBG scum for you, outside of last minute wagon related reasoning? Was he not a scumread before then? Who was?

I didn't have a strong scumread on him prior to the late-day wagon waffling, no. He was null before that. I was waffling on most of the playerbase honestly, this game has been difficult to read for me. But the fact that I independently thought "my god, this behavior from TBG is so obviously scummy", combined with FL also seeing it that way, combined with the fact that FL was nightkilled (likely for having correct scumreads, as others pointed out), makes me really think that TBG is scum. I was 100% sure at the end of the day, now I'm back to being unsure because others don't seem to see his behavior as obviously scummy as I felt it was.

[Lalendra]

Are there only two scum? Because it seems to me I have one more to find.

that was my point. you said were too busy looking for scum to defend yourself/. Wondering when the scumhunting was gonna start?

Wait Lalendra you seriously expect only 4 scum?

I indicated in that post that I expect 3 (Wheme confirmed, TBG suspected, one more to find). Do you think there are more than 4?

[Lalendra]

I guess it's possible that Pine is the third and he's lurking out because we caught the scumteam. I don't know how likely that is though, I'm not familiar with his meta.

[Ausuka]

lalendra why do you think there are 4 scum?

[Hopkirk]

FL was killed because he was a mason.
His scumreads are probably good. Although the two he stated before dying most heavily were you and TBG, so maybe you killed him because of those reads.

[Lalendra]

lalendra why do you think there are 4 scum?

I already said I don't.

[Ausuka]

Okay, why do you expect 3 scum?

[Lalendra]

FL was killed because he was a mason.
His scumreads are probably good. Although the two he stated before dying most heavily were you and TBG, so maybe you killed him because of those reads.

If he was killed because he was a mason, why would scum pick him over you unless it was because his reads were accurate?

[Hopkirk]

-his reads were accurate (although we agreed on most of them)
-you were one of his top (2, maybe 3) scumreads.

I feel like there's a problem with this that you aren't seeing.
Scum probably need to consider a bodyguard in their killpick too.

[TehBrawlGuy]

I think I could see TBG town. I want to read some of his other stuff some time.

i only have one completed game onsite within the last like, 2 years, and we were in it together, so that's not going to help you

some of the ongoings i'm in are close to finishing though so you can dive those soon(tm)


i don't SR Vax, but I also dont get TRing him for the claim. yeah, it's a bad claim if he's scum, because he gets shot, but it's also a bad claim if he's town, because he gets shot. it's just a bad claim.

[TehBrawlGuy]

also I would expect 5-6 scum in a 25p game tbh

there's less than 0 chance we have 3, and I'd be shocked if it was 4

[Tchill13]

I'm 99 percent sure flavor called out two scum members at least. If that's true I'd be willing to bet on lalendra the most out of his call outs.

I was starting to think you could actually read me tchill

thats the point. not only does flavor and hopkirk SR you but I do as well.

[Tchill13]

Creature, why'd u leave the lala wagon?

It felt pointless.

Why did it feel pointless? Hopkirk and flavor both said she's scum. They're both confirmed town. Flavor was dead on with his weme read. Weme openly committed wifom to make sure scum were able to kill flavor (which means he was a huge threat).

I'm 99 percent sure flavor called out two scum members at least. If that's true I'd be willing to bet on lalendra the most out of his call outs.

@creature

[Scioness Sajj]

When did you actually start townreading TBG? As far as I can tell it comes from nowhere around when I say we could always wagon TBG and you switch to the PP counterwagon.
That's despite there being any obvious evidence that you reread anything of TBG since you had him as neutral/not memorable enough for your reads list and I didn't get the impression you actually reread/reisod stuff after that.

After he answered me why he thinks A18 is town. I would have to check but I have changed my vote after Wheme's claim, I think I have said there why I preferred PP over TBG.
Sorry you didn't get the impression?

[Tchill13]

not feeling those wagons today.
wheme over penguin, but we may have to go back to PP anyway.

VOTE: whemestar

After yesterday I feel okay with my vote on Wheme.

I have no idea how Texcat could make that post asking about extension (not to say it looked like giving an extension would suggest answer) and then asks about Mylo.

VOTE: penguinpower
Don't scumread tbg, nor do I want another claim.

Will switched if needed.

This looks more like scum who jumps off when Wheme fakeclaims than Dunn. Goes onto Wheme despite no stated scumread (from a loneish wagon) on Wheme, jumps off Wheme after the claim onto the Penguin counterwagon. Also the reluctancy in the initial Wheme vote (we'll probably go back to penguin)- despite not being on Penguin- sounds like someone planning to hop off/not comitted.

so lalendra and scioness jj are probably scum. Good catch hopkirk. I agree.

[Tchill13]

Creature, are you disliking any of these lynches (Lalendra, Scion, TBG, maybe Pine)?

i'd say TBGT is the least likely to be scum out of the group, that said i believe there's a good chance TBG is scum.

[Tchill13]

FL was killed because he was a mason.
His scumreads are probably good. Although the two he stated before dying most heavily were you and TBG, so maybe you killed him because of those reads.

Yes i agree that he was killed because he was a mason.

I’m the mason, though. I’ll take that chance.

It’s a scummy claim because it will out other protective roles with it fake.

Your partner is more likely to die over you tho

this is what makes me super confident that Flavor had multiple correct Scum reads. If scum go out of their way to wifom when they know their flip is soon... That means scum REALLY want you dead.

[Myloninja13]

I can't tell if mylo is still here. If only there was someone who could tell us.

I'm still here

[Tchill13]

lalendra, scioness, vax, tbg look like my top priorities atm.

I still don't understand why ppl TR vax.

[Scioness Sajj]

not feeling those wagons today.
wheme over penguin, but we may have to go back to PP anyway.

VOTE: whemestar

After yesterday I feel okay with my vote on Wheme.

I have no idea how Texcat could make that post asking about extension (not to say it looked like giving an extension would suggest answer) and then asks about Mylo.

VOTE: penguinpower
Don't scumread tbg, nor do I want another claim.

Will switched if needed.

This looks more like scum who jumps off when Wheme fakeclaims than Dunn. Goes onto Wheme despite no stated scumread (from a loneish wagon) on Wheme, jumps off Wheme after the claim onto the Penguin counterwagon. Also the reluctancy in the initial Wheme vote (we'll probably go back to penguin)- despite not being on Penguin- sounds like someone planning to hop off/not comitted.

I tried with A18 people were not interested. I didn't have a read on Wheme that's why I wanted to talk to him/asked about him and was reluctant. At first I was townreading PP based on TR's claim but I have iso'ed Rampage and it turned out he claimed vt in all of his vt games. Somebody mentioned that if he does it all the time he may as well do it as scum and I agree so I stopped putting much stock into it hence null read PP with vt claim over town lean TBG.

I said that we may have to go back because I thought we would. I think the topic of us not being able to move wagon was being discussed around. PP's wagon already had some lurk/empty slots voting him so he was most viable alternative. It was before I meta'ed Ramapge and so I didn't really want to vote PP.

[Scioness Sajj]

lalendra, scioness, vax, tbg look like my top priorities atm.

I still don't understand why ppl TR vax.

so what were you townreading me of?