Newbie 1881 - Game Over

[Quick]

There's been multiple times his wagon has died too /shrug

This is true, yes.

[Micc]

Votecount 1.18

OkaPoka (3) -

IcemanCh, WhyMafia, Formerfish

Formerfish (1) -

Quick

TrinityNZ (1) -

OkaPoka

WhyMafia (1) -

Flicker

Not Voting (3) -

Eragon, TrinityNZ, nancy

With 9 players alive it takes 5 votes to lynch.

The deadline for Day 1 is in (expired on 2018-07-23 11:49:57).

[OkaPoka]

I don't like the state of this game with me being the only big wagon.

[OkaPoka]

And as we approach the deadline, the chances of a successful counterwagon to my own are going to be diminishing pretty rapidly.

We are going to need a spike in scumhunting, hoping I can get Formerfish's reaction to my post on Iceman even if he blows up on me. And I'm also hoping I can get trinity to get me some actual examples of my responses to questions.

[OkaPoka]

@nancy say you couldn't lynch me today, who would you be going after for the lynch today?

[WhyMafia]

I don't like the state of this game with me being the only big wagon.

Didn't you say earlier that something was up bc there were so many split wagons?

[OkaPoka]

yeah but now that its coalesced onto me its bad

[Quick]

yeah but now that its coalesced onto me its bad

Why?

[OkaPoka]

because lynching town is generally bad and its looking apparent that it might happen as we approach the deadline

[Quick]

because lynching town is generally bad and its looking apparent that it might happen as we approach the deadline

We don't know you are Town though, and you framing things from the perspective that you are Town shouldn't actually change anyone's mind about anything.

[OkaPoka]

But it doesn't change the fact that I don't like the gamestate right now?

[OkaPoka]

@quick, are you still sold on FF as scum for the moment? Do you have any other scumreads?

[Quick]

But it doesn't change the fact that I don't like the gamestate right now?

You can not like it all you want but just because you are saying you are Town (which is the reason you don't like the game state IIRC) then no one has any incentive to just believe you at your word. People can say they are Town all day long and it doesn't make it any more or less true. Scum has just as much incentive to use the narrative that you are using, so it's not something that should convince anyone. For us to believe you that you don't like the game state, we FIRST have to believe that you are Town and we can't assume that you are Town.

[OkaPoka]

Yeah I understand that.

Can I have your FF case soon?

[Quick]

@quick, are you still sold on FF as scum for the moment? Do you have any other scumreads?

These were the last Reads I gave and they are pretty much the same rn.

Reads

Town

nanacy, Trinity

Town Lean

Ice, Oka

Null

Flicker, WhyMafia, Eragon

Scum Lean

FF

I guess I can't really justify giving a Town Lean to WhyMafia. Flicker fits the same category, so out of my Nulls, Eragon is probably the Scummiest.

Yeah I understand that.

Can I have your FF case soon?

My reasons for SRing FF should be pretty apparent at this point; I'd rather not ISO FF to come up with stuff.

[IcemanCh]

I'm going to unvote so that I don't have to watch thread carefully to make sure people don't get overexcited and hammer him when have ~5 days until deadline.

Unvote

I'll be honest this is super sus to me.

Oka has been all over the place and not in a good way. He's swinging around and grasping at straws. He's being super defensive and irrational. HE IS SCUM. Why on earth would you jump off a wagon that's at L-2? That makes zero sense. Even if he was at L-1 you shouldn't be jumping off. If someone LOLhammers then we got a another scum out of it. Either way we get a scum.

I'm seriously starting to wonder about the town read on you.

My town read is 100% based on the amount of posting, the detail to the posts, and the searching for scum. But, as I look back at it there seems to be more playing to each person. Like the way you've won Trinity over.... it just seems odd.

[IcemanCh]

I'm also starting to wonder about FF. What's with the coasting. Where's your super strong Scum reads. Where's your stands being taken? You jumped off a wagon to hit Quick be never went anywhere after that?

[IcemanCh]

Come on TOWN we need to start working together towards SOMETHING.

Throw me up on the block for all I care. At least then we'll start getting somewhere. We have 45 pages of content and in that we haven't been able to get a good wagon going. WTF?

[IcemanCh]

We haven't even gotten anyone to L-1. Scum is just trying to wear us all out and make us forget anything that's already happened.

[nancy]

@Iceman your stated philosophical inclination is that mafia games should go slow, so why do you find it suspicious that I might want to slow down the gamestate rather than risk someone ending the day early at a point where we still have a third of the day phase left? Why would you be happy with a lolhammer? Even if Oka is scum, that's bad play. Half the game hasn't taken a stance on his lynch right now.

@Oka if I didn't lynch you, I would lynch Quick, because he seems very intent on doing exactly nothing.

I'll say some words about wagons and such later. People need to check in.

[TrinityNZ]

I’ve gone off Oka as scum because I thought he was going too hard on me and I realised if he was scum he probably wouldn’t want to do that so blatantly, because when I flip town he would immediately be suspected.

@IceMan, these are the thoughts I had on FF earlier, but I talked myself out of it. I might have to have another look. I’m really struggling to know what to do next. Maybe look at quick, as Nancy suggested.

I still strongly TR Nancy but realise she could be being really smart, but would prefer to look at that in day 2 rather than day 1.

[nancy]

Trinity, please answer my questions for you?

[IcemanCh]

@Iceman your stated philosophical inclination is that mafia games should go slow, so why do you find it suspicious that I might want to slow down the gamestate rather than risk someone ending the day early at a point where we still have a third of the day phase left? Why would you be happy with a lolhammer? Even if Oka is scum, that's bad play. Half the game hasn't taken a stance on his lynch right now.

@Oka if I didn't lynch you, I would lynch Quick, because he seems very intent on doing exactly nothing.

I'll say some words about wagons and such later. People need to check in.

This seems like you're misconstruing what I'm saying on purpose. Maybe, I'm just getting cabin fever.

I don't want the game to speed up. I want it to have direction. At the moment town is floundering about. Nothing useful is being done and no one is really learning or trying to learn anything. Everyone is just kind of sitting back.

Also, you taking your vote off doesn't slow down the game. It just chockes it for information. A wagon isn't successful unless it makes it to at least L-1 for a while and even then a good announcement for a hammer is super helpful. It forces people to take stands and get their hands dirty. What you've done is let everyone off the hook and stopped anyone getting their hands dirty.

Now you're just sitting their with no vote. Why? What are you waiting for? Who's your best scum read and why are you not voting them?

[OkaPoka]

Trinity, please answer my questions for you?

mine as well

to specify i want actual examples in which i made responses to other people's questions, not merely posts you dislike

[OkaPoka]

@Iceman, is 1081 an accurate depiction of your strategy involving ICs?

"To summarize:
He wants to policy lynch if we don't have a strong way to go by day 3, I vote him.
He "refines" it to become an utterly useless strategy that will never happen, now its about having either reads or no reads.
He "rerefines" it to becoming a thing about having strong leads to scrutinze." <- that part specifically