Mini 2018 - American Presidents Mafia (Game Over)

[Bernie Sanders]

We hold off a bit and see what BV says anyways I think

[the worst]

I don't think scum tw rules out scum bv, Skitter

In fact a bv flip might be at least as informative on the off chance tw is telling the truth hmmmm

No we like dont lynch bv to check if tw is telling the truth lol

don't lynch scum to prove the town investigative is telling the truth?

#scumposting

[Nauci]

I think bv > tw lynch order is game theory better at the moment? Because tw flip doesn't clear bv but I think bv flip might clear to and both informative on BS

But I think we have some disagreement on whether or not bv and tw can be scum together so I'll hold off until I get a better understanding of that

[skitter30]

For like the thirty-billionth time, I make no sense with mom given that I spent like all of day 1 trying to get her lynched

[Nauci]

How many investigative roles does town usually get? Do tracker and gunsmith both count as investigative?

I thought it was at max 1 so tw I'm not sure what your read of BS is if you were somehow telling the truth

[Irrelephant11]

So odd night doctor even night gunsmith sounds nice in theory

And in isolation tw’s claim is actually pretty believable

But the fact that it contradicts two other claims means it has to be scum??

Unless like Bernie is scum gunnerizer (something I’m making up rn) and predicted town tw would gunsmith town BV and interferes with the result???

With like scum neighborizer EP as partner?????

?????????????

Pedit: Skitter that argument was stronger before you brought up 30,000,000,000 times

[Irrelephant11]

Are y’all having fun because I’m having fun

so much DRAMA

[Bernie Sanders]

Man I can't believe I fucking outed over this shit though
it probably wasn't even necessary now that I think on it

[Errantparabola]

I think bv > tw lynch order is game theory better at the moment? Because tw flip doesn't clear bv but I think bv flip might clear to and both informative on BS

this is ridiculous game theory even if BV flip is 5 times more valuable because tw is SIGNIFICANTLY more likely to be scum given even just the setup knowledge that we have, let alone reads based on dayplay

[skitter30]

How many investigative roles does town usually get? Do tracker and gunsmith both count as investigative?

I thought it was at max 1

so tw I'm not sure what your read of BS is if you were somehow telling the truth

I don't think this is a thing

[the worst]

scum gunnerizer

I love this omg

[the worst]

I think BS is fakeclaiming. Idk if he's actually tracker but he definitely did not track me last night.

[the worst]

unless a scum ninjaiser targeted me

[Errantparabola]

maybe you rolled scum but a scum townerizer targeted you today

[Bernie Sanders]

Is it crazy that I'm actually considering BV here >____>

I think duck scum is very likely as bussing anyways but then on off chance my track on him messed with (unfortunately not negligable with TW publicly claimed as PR) it holds

[the worst]

Is it crazy that I'm actually considering BV here

not even slightly crazy. lynching BV is 1/3 of your wincon

[skitter30]

@brass: I dont know if this was said anywhere but is it known if scum can kill and use a role/ability on the same night?

[Nauci]

@brass: I dont know if this was said anywhere but is it known if scum can kill and use a role/ability on the same night?

This is usually the case

Also, scum having a JOAT isn't out of the question

[skitter30]

Is it crazy that I'm actually considering BV here >____>

I think duck scum is very likely as bussing anyways but then on off chance my track on him messed with (unfortunately not negligable with TW publicly claimed as PR) it holds

I'm having a lot of trouble seeing this tbh irregardless of my read on bv

Like I sont get why tw busses bv here and not the other way around - I dont think even with the towncred of bussing a partner that tw makes it to endgame; and hes going to be suspected for not being dead in a couple of days

Like why do they do this out of the blue? I dont know if scum banks everything on this

Also bv-personality-wise this doesn't really feel like a plan he was involved in. It isnt ... neat enough. I don't know how to explain that better

[Nauci]

I have had a gut feeling most of d3 that TW is scum JOAT or role cop or something

Scum!TW would totally take a shot at MathDino after d1 because quiet Math super felt like a PR (which would make sense for Math to do: try to sound like a PR to draw scum's wasted shot, and see what the reactions were)

And when it didn't work, would RC the slot instead because the doctor protected Gustavo so it must have had special sauce, and try to frame him instead

But if TW is town, the whole BV NEEDS TO BE COPPED thing makes more sense (unless he's traitor)

Either way, I don't really give BS points for the push on Mom day 2 because it felt nearly inevitable from the start, so I can imagine most scum would be willing to hard bus there. He gets points for other things he has done, but not that.

[Bernie Sanders]

VOTE: blackvoid

this might sound insane, but tracker alone isnt nearly enough invest power especially if there's either a roleblocker or joat for scum as well
ordinarily I wouldn't setup spec at this point but I don't really think there's a big unclaimed town investigative here but balance wise there really really should be

[Irrelephant11]

Wait before we lynch anyone are there any realistic scum PRs that could be messing with our preconceptions here? Like I know gunnerizer isn’t a thing but,

?

[Nauci]

BS who did you target n1

[Nauci]

Wait before we lynch anyone are there any realistic scum PRs that could be messing with our preconceptions here? Like I know gunnerizer isn’t a thing but,

?

Redirection roles like redirector/lightning rod/bus driver/etc. are explicitly non-normal

The weirdest thing we could have had was loyal/disloyal modifiers unless Brass is a huge liar about "as close to normal as possible" or whatever he said

[skitter30]

VOTE: blackvoid

this might sound insane, but tracker alone isnt nearly enough invest power especially if there's either a roleblocker or joat for scum as well
ordinarily I wouldn't setup spec at this point but I don't really think there's a big unclaimed town investigative here but balance wise there really really should be

you have a result that says tw is lying tho ...