NY 213 - Game Over!

[Tchill13]

Based on how clueless she is I think Lalendra might be town. I don't think she is faking that.

The thing I hate is the timing of the cluelessness.

kublai were you the one that told me i should take a certain player out of my SR while you were catching up?

i'd love to hear more thoughts from you regarding vax and TBG.

Do you agree that flavor called out multiple scum? if so who's the most likely?

[Ircher]

Day 3 VC #11

Dunnstral (2) - Golden Robster (3559), Myloninja13 (3765)
Creature (1) - Kublai Khan (3511)

Lalendra (8) (L-3) - Hopkirk (3661), Ausuka (3677), PenguinPower (3678), Tchill13 (3690), Wavemode (3716), JarJarDrinks (3721), Ankamius (3801), Gamma Emerald (3913)

JarJarDrinks (0) -
Texcat (3) - Creature (3744), Scioness Sajj (3756), TehBrawlGuy (3790)
TehBrawlGuy (1) - Lalendra (3719)
Myloninja13 (2) - Dunnstral (3463), Texcat (3637)
Not Voting (3) - Frozen Angel, Pine, Vaxkiller

Lynch Threshold

During day 3, it takes 11 votes to lynch a player.

Deadline

Day 3 ends on July 24, 2018 8:00 PM EDT (GMT-4:00) or in (expired on 2018-07-24 20:00:00).

Moderator Notes

If you have consistent weekend V/LA, you must remind me every weekend, or I will prod you. Alternatively, you can set V/LA tags each weekend.

Seeking a replacement for Pine.

PenguinPower is V/LA from July 19 to July 22.
If you notice any mistakes, please point them out. (That includes looking at the voting history.)

Spoiler: Current Voting History

Day 3

Dunnstral: Myloninja13 (3463)
Golden Robster: Dunnstral (3559)
Creature: Texcat (3472) --> Lalendra (3681) --> Texcat (3744)
Kublai Khan: Creature (3511)
Hopkirk: Lalendra (3661)
Gamma Emerald: Lalendra (3913)

Ausuka

: Myloninja13 (3640) --> Lalendra (3677)
Lalendra: TehBrawlGuy (3719)
Tchill13: Lalendra (3690)
JarJarDrinks: Creature (3616) --> (Null) (3694) --> Lalendra (3695) --> Dunnstral (3704) --> Lalendra (3721)
Ankamius: Lalendra (3801)
Texcat: Myloninja13 (3637)
TehBrawlGuy: JarJarDrinks (3466) --> Texcat (3790)
Wavemode: TehBrawlGuy (3468) --> Lalendra (3716)
PenguinPower: Texcat (3473) --> Myloninja13 (3643) --> Lalendra (3678)
Myloninja13: Dunnstral (3765)
Scioness Sajj: Texcat (3756)

Spoiler: Previous Voting History

Day 2

Note: * - Hammer Vote

Dunnstral (4): Myloninja13 (1942) --> JarJarDrinks (2206) --> PenguinPower (3242) --> TehBrawlGuy (3248)
Golden Robster (17): Hopkirk (2078) --> (Null) (2096) --> PenguinPower (2112) --> Scioness Sajj (2152) --> Vaxkiller (2171) --> (Null) (2288) --> Creature (2299) -->

WhemeStar

(2304) --> Wavemode (2367) --> Scioness Sajj (2432) --> TehBrawlGuy (2526) -->

Flavor Leaf

(2642) --> (Null) (2783) --> PenguinPower (2979) -->

WhemeStar

(3099) --> (Null) (3284) -->

WhemeStar

(3286)
Pine (1): Andriod18 (1936)
Creature (3): Myloninja13 (1941) --> PenguinPower (2835) -->

WhemeStar

(3453*)
Kublai Khan (5):

Flavor Leaf

(1944) --> (Null) (2366) --> Vaxkiller (2423) --> PenguinPower (2899) -->

WhemeStar

(3027)

WhemeStar

(4): Vaxkiller (2245) --> JarJarDrinks (2301) -->

Flavor Leaf

(2542) --> PenguinPower (2930)
Hopkirk (5): Andriod18 (2197) --> Kublai Khan (2346) --> (Null) (2781) ==> (Null) (2782) -->

WhemeStar

(3008)
Gamma Emerald (5): Kublai Khan (2488) --> Golden Robster (2839) --> (Null) (2867) --> PenguinPower (2990) -->

WhemeStar

(3318)

Ausuka

(7): PenguinPower (1960) --> Myloninja13 (2434) -->

Flavor Leaf

(2504) --> (Null) (2573) --> Myloninja13 (2574) --> TehBrawlGuy (3023) -->

WhemeStar

(3293)
Lalendra (7): Vaxkiller (2184) --> JarJarDrinks (2334) --> Andriod18 (2503) -->

Flavor Leaf

(2657) --> (Null) (2705) --> PenguinPower (2809) -->

WhemeStar

(3097)
EspeciallyTheLies (1): PenguinPower (1996)
JarJarDrinks (10): Andriod18 (1945) --> EspeciallyTheLies (2041) --> (Null) (2066) --> Andriod18 (2192) -->

Flavor Leaf

(2327) --> (Null) (2612) -->

Flavor Leaf

(2640) --> (Null) (2755) --> Andriod18 (2943) -->

WhemeStar

(3030)
Andriod18 (2): JarJarDrinks (2116) --> Kublai Khan (2533)
Texcat (2): ArcAngel9 (1987) --> Myloninja13 (2552)
ArcAngel9 (1): Texcat (2072)
TehBrawlGuy (7): (Null) (2535) --> Wavemode (2690) -->

WhemeStar

(3062) --> (Null) (3118) -->

WhemeStar

(3165) --> (Null) (3196) -->

WhemeStar

(3233)
Vaxkiller (5):

WhemeStar

(2343) --> Myloninja13 (2472) --> PenguinPower (3012) -->

WhemeStar

(3112) --> PenguinPower (3290)
Wavemode (6): Texcat (2044) --> Andriod18 (2331) -->

Flavor Leaf

(2635) --> (Null) (2800) -->

WhemeStar

(2966) ==>

WhemeStar

(3115)
PenguinPower (7): Myloninja13 (1947) --> Kublai Khan (2572) -->

Flavor Leaf

(2709) --> Myloninja13 (2759) --> Golden Robster (2775) --> (Null) (2894) -->

WhemeStar

(2962)
Myloninja13 (1): PenguinPower (2437)
Scioness Sajj (3): Andriod18 (2904) -->

WhemeStar

(3034) --> PenguinPower (3255)

Flavor Leaf

(5): JarJarDrinks (2205) --> Kublai Khan (2499) --> PenguinPower (2715) --> Golden Robster (2774) -->

WhemeStar

(2958)

Day 1

Note: * = Hammer Vote

Note: ^ = Vote after hammer vote.

Dunnstral (5):

Osuka

(77) --> Texcat (1388) --> Lalendra (1623) -->

Osuka

(1758) -->

Performer

(1782)

Srceenplay

(0): (Null)

Performer

(5):

Osuka

(623) --> TheRampage (909) --> Wavemode (1051) --> Andriod18 (1765) -->

Performer

(1849)*

Joral

(0): (Null)

Almost50

(8): Hopkirk (97) --> Edosurist (226) -->

Osuka

(390) -->

Ausuka

(1205) --> (Null) (1304) --> Vaxkiller (1352) --> (Null) (1380) --> Andriod18 (1460)
Fumuki (0): (Null)
Golden Robster (13):

Almost50

(177) --> Wavemode (183) -->

Osuka

(236) -->

Ausuka (317)

--> JarJarDrinks (319) --> (Null) (546) --> Vaxkiller (602) --> (Null) (1504) --> Wavemode (1588) --> (Null) (1589) --> ArcAngel9 (1770) --> Andriod18 (1784) --> (Null) (1798)
Pine (2):

Osuka

(176) --> Andriod18 (1835)
Creature (6):

Performer

(385) --> Myloninja13 (720) --> TheRampage (813) -->

Performer

(898) --> Andriod18 (1449) -->

Performer

(1846)
Kublai Khan (6):

Osuka

(76) -->

Almost50

(122) --> Scioness Sajj (388) --> JarJarDrinks (536) -->

Osuka

(725) -->

Performer

(957)

WhemeStar

(3): Lalendra (234) --> JarJarDrinks (797) -->

Flavor Leaf

(955)
Hopkirk (9):

Osuka

(90) --> Lalendra (279) -->

Osuka

(696) --> (Null) (993) --> Wavemode (999) -->

Performer

(1273) --> (Null) (1315) -->

Performer

(1458) --> Andriod18 (1679)
Edosurist (2): Texcat (84) -->

Almost50

(222)
Gamma Emerald (3): Vaxkiller (710) --> Wavemode (1107) --> Andriod18 (1711) --> _{(Null) (1889)^}

Ausuka

(9): JarJarDrinks (89) --> Creature (104) --> Myloninja13 (429) --> (Null) (742) --> TheRampage (743) --> Wavemode (998) -->

Performer

(1604) --> Lalendra (1624) --> Andriod18 (1680)
Lalendra (3):

Almost50

(209) --> (Null) (559) -->

Performer

(1229)
EspeciallyTheLies (2):

Almost50

(83) -->

Performer

(515)
Lovebird (1): Edosurist (259)
Davesaz (1): Wavemode (1014)
Frozen Angel (3):

Performer

(1579) --> (Null) (1606) -->

Performer

(1814)
JarJarDrinks (8):

Osuka

(85) -->

Almost50

(114) --> Charles510 (186) --> Edosurist (231) -->

Osuka

(535) -->

Ausuka

(842) --> Wavemode (1112) --> Andriod18 (1410)

Osuka

(10): Wavemode (80) --> JarJarDrinks (124) --> ArcAngel9 (229) --> Pine (332) --> JarJarDrinks (353) -->

Performer

(769) --> TheRampage (771) -->

Performer

(1047) --> Vaxkiller (1359) -->

Performer

(1384)
Texcat (4):

Osuka

(79) --> Wavemode (1080) -->

Osuka

(1703) --> Andriod18 (1777)
Andriod18 (4): Kublai Khan (190) --> Lovebird (290) --> JarJarDrinks (855) -->

Performer

(1796)
ArcAngel9 (4): Texcat (81) --> TheRampage (223) --> Texcat (604) -->

Performer

(1397)
Charles510 (2): JarJarDrinks (87) --> (Null) (310)
Vaxkiller (8): JarJarDrinks (363) --> Scioness Sajj (389) --> Andriod18 (437) --> JarJarDrinks (532) --> Golden Robster (678) --> Wavemode (1078) --> TheRampage (1085) -->

Performer

(1116)
Wavemode (5): Texcat (82) --> Charles510 (131) --> (Null) (838) -->

Osuka

(867) -->

Performer

(1108)
TheRampage (3): Creature (100) --> (Null) (509) -->

Osuka

(681)
PenguinPower (1):

Performer

(1774)
Myloninja13 (4): Edosurist (233) --> JarJarDrinks (326) -->

Performer

(1554) --> Andriod18 (1787)
Scioness Sajj (4):

Ausuka

(406) --> (Null) (1325) -->

Performer

(1552) --> Andriod18 (1760)

Flavor Leaf

(1): Andriod18 (1772)

Pre-Game

Dunnstral (2): Texcat (9) --> Pine (43)

Srceenplay

(1): Andriod18 (62)
Pine (1):

Osuka

(16)
Kublai Khan (1): Pine (34)
Hopkirk (1):

Osuka

(66)
Edosurist (1): Pine (42)

Osuka

(2): Pine (28) --> Wavemode (33)
Texcat (1): Pine (44)
Wavemode (1):

Osuka

(31)

[Ausuka]

Okay, why do you expect 3 scum?

please answer this, @lalendra

[Kublai Khan]

Based on how clueless she is I think Lalendra might be town. I don't think she is faking that.

The thing I hate is the timing of the cluelessness.

kublai were you the one that told me i should take a certain player out of my SR while you were catching up?

i'd love to hear more thoughts from you regarding vax and TBG.

Do you agree that flavor called out multiple scum? if so who's the most likely?

Yeah, it was Golden Robster. I didn't say that you should take him out of your SR, it was just that out of the 4 possible bussers you had listed, Golden Robster seems least likely.

Vaxkiller is in my scum list. The vig-claim seemed like a panicked EOD "don't wagon me" claim and he recanted it because what else is he supposed to do (town or scum)? He's lurky and not memorable in his posting.

TehBrawlGuy is also on my scum list. His explanations of "the proper thing to do is blahblahblah" feels mechanical and overly rational. Like, I get as cautious and paranoid as anybody when things seem to line up too well, but there are some moments in mafia whee you gut screams that you've found mafia and you get incredulous that others don't see it. Hell, you get suspicious of them. TehBrawlGuy kept saying he thought WhemeStar was scum. He calmly voted him to L-1 and backed off. Then did it again. There's no... anticipation or anxiety to his posting. It gives me a cold feeling that he already knows exactly what WhemeStar will flip and he's checking if town wants to change their mind with the PR info or if Creature is succeeding at swaying people. Then when town isn't budging, he accepts the lynch.

Also.. I kinda glossed over a lot of the Flavor Leaf posting when re-reading Day 2. I think scum eliminated the cleared town and the more forceful leader of the two (sorry Hopkirk). Flavor Leaf's reads may be good, but I don't think he was killed over them.

[Lalendra]

You see, my problem with this statement is you're cherrypicking which of Fl's reads are accurate. You can't say that one read is accurate and deny the accuracy of another without reason

Of course I can. Wheme flipped scum and I know I'm town. That's my reason. And as I said, FL scumreading TBG is only one of my reasons; I believe he was correct about TBG, largely because I came to the same conclusion myself, and him being killed for that seems logical to me.

[Lalendra]

Okay, why do you expect 3 scum?

please answer this, @lalendra

I already did.

[Lalendra]

I've never seen lalendra show great skills at fighting off her lynch. I can see her as scum saying "she won't fight" then acting like she has no clue whats going on the game. Thats what you do when you dont know how to methodically defend yourself.

So what you're saying is that it's not possible for town to not know how to defend themselves when they are getting run up?
If I didn't consistently scumread other people for doing it I'd self-vote to get this over with and let you guys get on with finding actual scum.

[Ausuka]

Are there only two scum? Because it seems to me I have one more to find.

that was my point. you said were too busy looking for scum to defend yourself/. Wondering when the scumhunting was gonna start?

Wait Lalendra you seriously expect only 4 scum?

I indicated in that post that I expect 3 (Wheme confirmed, TBG suspected, one more to find). Do you think there are more than 4?

How many scum do you think there are then?

[Lalendra]

According to Gamma, 5 or 6. I think I remember reading that you can divide the number of players by 7.5 to get the number of scum, so that would mean 21 / 7.5 = 2.8, or 3. I don't get overly invested in setup spec so I don't really care. As far as I'm concerned, I have two, there are more to be sought out and getting TBG's lynch would yield enough information to start looking for the 3rd, and so on from there.

[Ausuka]

Uhhh. If "I don't think there are 3 scum" isn't supposed to be the answer to my question then can you point it out to me please because I don't see it.

[Lalendra]

I don't understand what's confusing.

In 3822, I said I thought there were 3 scum.

In 3855, I reiterated that.

I just did the math to explain why I think that.

Other people don't agree.

Does that answer your question?

[Ausuka]

Ok sure 3933 contains the answer.

[JarJarDrinks]

If I didn't consistently scumread other people for doing it I'd self-vote to get this over with and let you guys get on with finding actual scum.

Can someone explain how this could possibly come from a town perspective?

Tell me if I'm misinterpreting:

"I would self-vote and get myself lynched just to get this day over with.

But the reason I'm not gonna do that is because people might scumread me for it .... In which case ... they'll vote for me ... which I would then care about because .... "

[JarJarDrinks]

Like ya'll get what I'm saying right?


Like why would a townie that is self voting to get the day over with care about being scumread?

[JarJarDrinks]

I'm calling scumslip

[Ausuka]

But I'm not sure why you believe that Lalendra? 13/7.5=~1.7 and I know you've played mini games which regularly contain 3 scum.

[Tchill13]

I've never seen lalendra show great skills at fighting off her lynch. I can see her as scum saying "she won't fight" then acting like she has no clue whats going on the game. Thats what you do when you dont know how to methodically defend yourself.

So what you're saying is that it's not possible for town to not know how to defend themselves when they are getting run up?
If I didn't consistently scumread other people for doing it I'd self-vote to get this over with and let you guys get on with finding actual scum.

you refuse to defend yourself. You claim its because "you dont know how" youre helpless town. I dont buy that. Town SHOULD at least try to fight back. Then there's the self vote threat....

[Gamma Emerald]

You see, my problem with this statement is you're cherrypicking which of Fl's reads are accurate. You can't say that one read is accurate and deny the accuracy of another without reason

Of course I can. Wheme flipped scum and I know I'm town. That's my reason. And as I said, FL scumreading TBG is only one of my reasons; I believe he was correct about TBG, largely because I came to the same conclusion myself, and him being killed for that seems logical to me.

and yet FL was scumreading you
but this makes your logic a little clearer

[Tchill13]

Like ya'll get what I'm saying right?


Like why would a townie that is self voting to get the day over with care about being scumread?

I agree. I wouldn't call it a slip so to speak but i understand.

[Lalendra]

If I didn't consistently scumread other people for doing it I'd self-vote to get this over with and let you guys get on with finding actual scum.

Can someone explain how this could possibly come from a town perspective?

Tell me if I'm misinterpreting:

"I would self-vote and get myself lynched just to get this day over with.

But the reason I'm not gonna do that is because people might scumread me for it .... In which case ... they'll vote for me ... which I would then care about because .... "

My point is not "I'm not going to do it because I would get scumread for it." My point is "I'm not going to do it because it's anti-town and something that I don't like in other people, and doing it myself would be hypocritical."

pedit @ Gamma: I know FL was scumreading me. I never said his reads were perfect. Just that I think he was killed for being on the right track.

[Tchill13]

But I'm not sure why you believe that Lalendra? 13/7.5=~1.7 and I know you've played mini games which regularly contain 3 scum.

lmao good logic ausuka.

[Gamma Emerald]

According to Gamma, 5 or 6. I think I remember reading that you can divide the number of players by 7.5 to get the number of scum, so that would mean 21 / 7.5 = 2.8, or 3. I don't get overly invested in setup spec so I don't really care. As far as I'm concerned, I have two, there are more to be sought out and getting TBG's lynch would yield enough information to start looking for the 3rd, and so on from there.

oh balls not 7.5
divide it by 3.25 is what I think the logic was
but at least you have some janky math behind it and aren't being mindnumbingly moonlogiced

[Lalendra]

you refuse to defend yourself. You claim its because "you dont know how" youre helpless town. I dont buy that. Town SHOULD at least try to fight back. Then there's the self vote threat....

How would you like me to defend myself? I explained my reasoning for thinking TBG is scum, how many scum I think there are and why, why I think FL was killed...I'm explaining my logic for every stance I've taken. I don't have "reasoning" to explain why I'm town other than by saying that I'm town. If everyone is confbiased at this point and refuses to believe me, then that's not my problem. I just think it's sad that we're wasting time here when we could be lynching TBG and finding the rest of the scum team (whether it's 1, or 3, or whatever).

[Lalendra]

I guess I shouldn't say it's not my problem, because it clearly IS my problem because I'm probably getting mislynched yet-fucking-again.

[JarJarDrinks]

If I didn't consistently scumread other people for doing it I'd self-vote to get this over with and let you guys get on with finding actual scum.

Can someone explain how this could possibly come from a town perspective?

Tell me if I'm misinterpreting:

"I would self-vote and get myself lynched just to get this day over with.

But the reason I'm not gonna do that is because people might scumread me for it .... In which case ... they'll vote for me ... which I would then care about because .... "

My point is not "I'm not going to do it because I would get scumread for it." My point is "I'm not going to do it because it's anti-town and something that I don't like in other people, and doing it myself would be hypocritical."

meh, seems like something you'd think to yourself then . Saying it out loud feels LAMIST.