NY214: Project Pinecone (Game over! Town wins!)

[Andrius]

Skygazer makes a valid point.

[Taly]

I think if profii was being a VI then it would've manifested itself on day one, but his day one play was pretty decent looking and he took a huge scummy turn on day two

That actually makes sense...

What are your thoughts on

profii

as a whole?

[brassherald]

I know technically, I should go through and do the whole thing with inferno and dramonic, but no, I don't want to. I'm not even going to make an excuse, I straight up do not want to do it.

Also, I've had scum partners deathtunnel me in games, it happens, especially in larges.

[Andrius]

Don't force it. no worries mate

[Skygazer]

Quick recap of how I'm interpreting profii's posts: I don't like how profii threw shade at rask's no lynch vote then suddenly started scumreading everyone who was voting for rask. He spent most of day one scumreading flubber, myself, and Taly, three people that are really easy to scumread (especially considering my wagon). He seemed really content with his flubber vote all day. He threw very light shade at dram and said he would examine him but then ended up on the xyzzy flashwagon out of nowhere because "momentum." Day two he seemed content lurking but then showed up and threw shade at basically confirmed town (Chickadee). After that he came in and voted for Elbirn despite his Taly scumread, and then jumped onto me once I had a vote, possibly hoping to start another wagon and (if A50 is scum) get off of that wagon. After that he throws more shade at Chickadee and paints her posts as "manufactured" and then goes "no lol I wasn't actually scumreading her" when called out.

So, as a whole, I see a ton of potential scum motivations behind his actions. The lurking plus the weird nature of his posts today could indicate someone who just lost a scum partner and is demotivated and scrambling.

I've been thinking that Elbirn was possibly flying under the radar for role related reasons but suddenly flashwagoning xyzzy isn't flying under the radar at all and A50's VT claim throws all of that out of the window.

[the worst]

I'm definitely coming around on Inferno. honestly I feel bad for calling our so many scum but I can't really see a reason {dram, profii, inferno} doesn't contain 3 scum.

I think if profii was being a VI then it would've manifested itself on day one, but his day one play was pretty decent looking and he took a huge scummy turn on day two

#verygoodposting

[Skygazer]

Taly, regarding the scumreads on me D1, you have to keep in mind that I was basically wagoned with no reasoning other than Ausuka scumreading me for like one thing that I did very early on into the game.

[Taly]

I'm forgetting why I'm townreading

Inferno

and my scumread on

Sky

is weakening by the moment.

[Taly]

I honestly would be OK with a flip right about now, if that'll reduce the rising apathy, at least that I have.

I just want

profii

to finally post.

[MagnaofIllusion]

Hey grabbed a quick cat nap before dinner so a few more lucid thoughts before I head to bed ...

Taly

- I agree with your assessment on Sky as possible NewbTown with one glaring flaw. In fact Day 1 I didn't give her enough pressure because of the combination of that possibility and HitAlt's bad push on Sky. However the posting that everyone is pointing out as goodposting on this last page gives the lie that Sky is not a Newb. Use of "VI" in regards to Profi shows a depth of familiarity with MS culture that doesn't come from a Newb. In fact my perception is the term Village Idiot is an artifact of past times (I remember it being in heavy use in the 2011 to 2012 era) and I think Sky's been coasting on Newb status as an alt account of an older player. Note how Sky only really "came to life" and stopped coasting after getting put in the death pool today. So I think she's a very good vote.

Brass

- Yeah Inferno's play is very surface level but remember Town can play poorly to. I think despite his derp-tunnel on me his Dram interactions look more likely to come from Town than scum. I still think he's best considered scum down the line if the game lasts too long and the death pool of (A50, Profi, Sky, Xyzzy, HeWho) isn't chock full of scum.

Andy

- I'm with you on Xyzzy's play today being a step back. While not stellar Xyzzy did seem Townish to me Day 1. Do you think scum after losing Dram would step back on their already not really loved play? Although I guess the same might be said for Profi in that I have a hard time thinking Mafia would go out of their way to antagonize Duckling who clearly can end them at Night. I have to think those two over more after a good Nights sleep.

[Skygazer]

orrrr I looked it up on the wiki when Andrius called profii a VI

[Andrius]

I mean, Magna, if we flip the chessboard over, TOWN has an incredible advantage right now and the townies should all be piling on the POE train to HYPEVILLE. Even though Inferno's barking up the wrong tree, he's still barking. The people who are actively lurking or completely AWOL are highly suspect imo.

I hear you in that scum won't want to dial down after the death of a scumbuddy, but at the same time this is my counterpoint where town should be ALL OVER pressing the advantage and we have a lurker problem. Even HitAlt was here at the start of day pressing his role-related advantage. While it wasn't an 'ez lynch guilty did I do good' he did press that to its conclusion.

[Taly]

(A50, Profi, Sky, Xyzzy, HeWho)

I honestly have no problems with this lynchpool. PoE, gameplay, claims, and most anything I can think of would point to at least one of these people flipping scum.

They can't all be scum though, numerically.

And with 3-4 of them being low-content, it's hard to judge motivation.

I'm not invested in a

Sky

lynch right now because of this. I had townish reads on

HWS, profii, and xyzzy

at the start of this dayphase, but I have problems with

profii's

posting,

xyzzy

has been wallpaper, and

HWS

is the bridge between these two in terms of how I view in play.

I want to see

Almost

post more content before I assess him indvidiually.

I'm feeling very non-committal with reads I feel should be stronger right now :/

[brassherald]

Fine, I've got my eye on inferno, though.

I think if we get no extension of time, we choose one of xyzzy and profii, duck can shoot the other.

[Andrius]

Brilliant.

[brassherald]

I am, aren't I?

[Andrius]

Oh good, this establishment has some help.

Yoohoo, waiter. Your princess requires more wine. *shakes glass*

[the worst]

i shoot who i want : ]

[Andrius]

If you shoot someone unacceptable we'll lynch you. : ]

[the worst]

Andy, to say such hurtful things...
remember when you looked into my soul a few pages back?

[Andrius]

What do you mean?

[HeWhoSwims]

I've played 2 games with town Profii and started scumreading him day 2 both times I think...

I don't scumread him now tbh but I should reread

[the worst]

I scumread him early d1 always
this is the first time I've actually come back to scumreading him later tbqh. I was close last time he was scum but someone else who shall REMAIN NAMELESS kept yelling at me

[Taly]

I've played 2 games with town Profii and started scumreading him day 2 both times I think...

I don't scumread him now tbh but I should reread

Can you be anymore vague with your reads and avoidant with the people you say you want to lynch?

I'm not saying this to be a dick, but this is why you've fallen back to nulltown, if that.

@TW

If you shoot someone unacceptable we'll lynch you. : ]

[Taly]

I'd rather see a

HeWhoSwims

flip over

xyzzy

at the moment.

I really dislike that no major wagon has had resistance this dayphase, and I don't trust that this is all because of scum.