Newbie 1881 - Game Over

[Quick]

Everyone in the game needs to take a stance on the Trinity lynch. I personally don't think there's almost ever a world where she's town here after her readflip on Oka. I think her flip clears Oka and probably Quick. I think her FF read is weird but I have 100 eyes emoji at 569 and don't think I would clear him as a partner just because she was scumreading him and buddying people who were voting for him.

pedit FF, why are you completely ignoring Trinity's post?

pedit Quick cut it out. I am reporting your posts.

What the fuck are you reporting my post for? Anger? Pretty sure that's not breaking any rules.

[OkaPoka]

@ff
We aren't lynching Quick today.

Why is your vote on quick, not trinity?

[Eragon]

Spoiler:

Soo....... I feel like OKa is a bad or scum. Not sure which.

I also think Trinity is town. She's new and clunky but, I've played a few games with her and nothing seems scummy so far. I've seen her play scum and.... well you'd know.

I really want to vote quick and get quick lynched. To me only scum would come in and throw up their hands and say I'm not reading anything. Here's a vote count. Here's my reads. Don't worry those cause my reads are garbage because I didn't actually read anything. If town came in and refused to read the game they wouldn't then turn around and give reads.

I also think Oka is pushing mis-lynches. Trying to snag the easiest ones. Weird that he's not jumping on Quick as that seems the easiest to me at the moment.

SRing me because I am not caught up is a horrible reason to SR someone. Like, seriously?

I think I'm a bit lost at the moment. I've lost my town read on Nancy..... Please Nancy come back to town. I wanna believe. She seems to have just faded a bit and is just poking holes in everything. Not necessarily a bad thing but, doesn't seem like the way things started at first.

Trinity, Go take a look at some of FFs other games. His play this game seems exactly like his town play. I'll go looking for one of his scum games and compare though because I've only played with town!FF.

Quick, I'm not sure what to ask you..... Have your reads changed? Not sure if the answer is worth it.

Oka, I don't mean to restate this but, you really seem to be looking for the easiest lynches instead of looking for scum. I don't like it. Also, what do you think about quick?

FF, do you think that Oka is a better lynch then Quick and why?

I am still developing reads. I probably will not get fully caught up and you saying that is Scummy is odd to me.

I agree with not-catching up being NAI, and that Iceman way over-reacted, but it kinda seemed like new-town perspective.
I’d say the whole interaction is likely NAI

SRing me because I am not caught up is a horrible reason to SR someone. Like, seriously?

Lets not get things twisted here. No one is scum reading you because you arent "caught up." People are scum reading you because you said that you were not going to catch up.

That's the same fucking thing, brah.

I'll do ISOs but I'm not going to read 400 posts when probably at least half of them are RVS anyways. I'm engaged now. I don't see people bringing up stuff from 5 pages ago anyway so it's not like I am missing a whole lot.

I still need to look at Stan1ey's progression.

I posted this as an overall of FF/Quick’s spat and shit
I am not gonna read it because its irritating, but I can easily say its never S v S, but T v S and T v T are possibilites.
I think T v S is the strongest possbility, but its not 100% for me

FF, you said ISOs are NAI. Is catching up AI?

Good point.

Vote: Quick

I don't believe that your read on Iceman is real.

OK.

You're saying that you disagree with him or he is bad therefore he is mafia, which is nonsense.

No, I am not saying any of that. Reread my case on Ice. I said he's Scum for pushing something as Scummy that is NAI.

Your entire case on him feels like shade and I don't like it one bit. Please catch up and provide thoughts on the game.

Have you not seen someone make a case on someone before or what? What about my case on him is Shade as opposed to an actual read? Shade to me is where you try and make someone look like Scum without voting them in hopes of changing someone in the game's mind on them or just weakening people's read on them as Town. I'm not doing that considering I am actually voting him for his shit reasons for voting me.

Why the hell should I do what you say? Frankly, I don't give a shit if you don't think my read on Ice is "real" I'm voting a SR get over it. You've talked about how "tone reads mean nothing" well you saying my read on Ice isn't real is basically the same fucking thing. Unless you can actually point to examples about how my read on him is "fake" I don't want to hear it.

I feel like you are just SRing me because I made an abrupt change of vote on someone. That's not Scummy - especially when I am still developing reads.

I don't really feel like getting blackmailed by votes just because I haven't fully caught up. Clearly, you're one of those people who isn't experienced enough to know that some people just play from where they replace in. Yeah, I know I am not doing myself any favors by coming across as so abrasive, but I don't really care at this point since the only legitimate (and I use the term loosely) reason why anyone has said I am Scummy is because I haven't fully caught up yet.

I can’t place my finger on it but this vote pings me

OK, I'm caught up, AMA

/S

Seriously though I really hate being blackmailed to catch up in a game. Shit is just not right.

In other news, not sold on FF being Town. He got early TRs from people and that seems to have stuck for not very good reasons I don't think. FF is a good player, not ready to clear them just based on... Whatever people were TRing him for, because from what I saw, didn't see a whole lot of Town tells and def felt like I was strongly disagreeing with some of the stuff he's said so far.

Disagreeing /=/ scum
And thinking anyone that disagrees with you is scum, is scummy

I am having second thoughts on Ice. Reason I was SRing him before is because a lot of his thought process in terms of reads is just plain wrong, but maybe he is actually just a newb and doesn't know any better.

Ex. Him saying nancy poking holes in everything is Scummy... That's actually pretty damn Townie IMO. His Thought process is overly black and white which is not something I would expect from someone playing in games with 20 PRs. I can explain this, but don't feel like it. I have a lot of experience all over the web so just trust me on this. Still, he has this kind of ignorance that I can't help comes from Town.

I think Quick was trying to find a way to back out of the ice SR, because calling someone towny because “ignorance that comes from town” is one of the weakest things I can see.

Quick Had been strongly SR’ing Ice, and could be seen as a hard OMGUS and trying to Lynch a newbie, in which case would throw considerable suspicion on Quick if Ice flipped town, so Quick backed off the read a bit with an easy read.

I don't think Oka is a good choice for lynching this phase. I'd rather PRs deal with him.

>translation
Either: Oka is town and his Lynch will spew scum from pushes and stuff

Or: Oka is my scum buddy and we need time to kill and/or find the PR’s before my buddy is lynched.

I say this because only mafia and the PR’s have some indication of what the true role-list is, and its possible for their to be either,
Weak PR’s or
Only 1 town PR or
Im not sure on this but maybe non-invest PR
Meaning oka would be safer than being lynched D1

Reads

Town

nanacy, Trinity

Town Lean

Ice, Oka

Null

Flicker, WhyMafia, Eragon

Scum Lean

FF

I guess I can't really justify giving a Town Lean to WhyMafia. Flicker fits the same category, so out of my Nulls, Eragon is probably the Scummiest.

Fair

DAMMIT YOU STOLE MY PAGE TOP
that's definitely evidence that you are scum *points finger*

Reusing the same joke is kinda Scummy.

Discuss.

No

Because if you are scum, we lynch me today, you can nk one of those two and worst case scenario the other person is scum, nobody here is going to have the guts to oppose you and your bloc.

I didn't realize I was on the Town block…

This post pinged me a bit, seems like scum surprised that they are being TR’d by someone

Trinity is creeping up on me as being Scummy now. It seems whenever Trinity is asked something, they completely disappear. Very suspect.

@nancy, what do you mean when you say I am not doing anything? I feel like I have been pushing my SRs just fine, offering my reasoning on why I TR the people I do. What do you want from me?

Slight SR for someone’s activity, yuck.

About the wagon stuff people were mentioning earlier...

If a wagon on one player continually dies, it can be a sign that they're mafia because their partners may be pushing against the lynch, and because mafia are more likely to support town lynches, making it easier for them to go through. This is why you should look for mafia on the wagon of a mafia lynch if the lynch seems to go through too easily.

If the thread dies when there is a consensus lynch, it can often mean that the lynch is a miss because if it weren't a miss then mafia would be actively trying to save their partner. This isn't always the case, because mafia may be bussing, mafia may simply not know what to do, mafia may be inactive, or other more contextual things. It's also less of a thing when there are only 2 mafia.

People were talking about no one defending Oka, but that's not really how you should look at it. Mafia defend town lynches too. And they don't always defend their partners. If no one is defending OkaPoka, then you have to look at who is pushing on him, who is simply abstaining, and why. Are any of the people pushing him bussing? Are any of the people abstaining acting like they know he's a mislynch? Are any of the people off wagon doing anything to try to dismantle the wagon?

That's kind of what I've been looking at and I think the way FF jumped on deserves a look in the world where Oka is town because it was a kind of slimy thing where he built up to it by arguing with Oka then, when he had the fuel, he pounced. There wasn't a natural progression there from his previous read on Oka, I don't think. I think the way that Quick has been idly sitting in thread and doing things like throwing shade on Trinity makes sense in a world where Oka/Trinity is v/v and he wants to capitalize on Oka's townflip by pushing a Trinity lynch. I think Iceman's treatment of the wagon is just super town all around, and I think WhyMafia's treatment of the wagon has been pretty good too.

You didn't say anything about Aragorn, why not?

GRRRR… you got my name wrong, you must be scum(joke)

But seriously, why only me out of anyone else that wasn’t mentioned

overall conclusion: Slight scum
i dont like the 180 backing off of some people
Wanting to engage with me yet not asking me questions is ???
as i read it, slight buddying of Oka,
all the shit with FF that i never read
OMGUS'ing because of being SR for not-catching up(while i agree with the sentiment, a strong OMGUS, especially on a noob, is wolfy, and i think you realized this and is why you backed off.)
and a few other individual pingy posts

[Eragon]

jeezus a full page while i wrote an ISO

damn

[WhyMafia]

I’ve been split on Oka but I keep re-reading and seeing his response to being out at L-1 and L-2 and his proclamation of a 1 v 1 with nancy and his other posts just seemed so flaily and contradictory

[Formerfish]

Look, bro... I am trying to prevent a fucking meltdown here.
What you are suggesting is exactly what I am trying to PREVENT...
I don't think a fucking 1v1 with you at this point is at all productive.
IDK why you are insisting on pissing me off, but I am so done engaging with you.

Do you think I am scum?
Cause if you do and you are town then why not 1v1 me? We obviously are not going to be able to coexist in this game.
Im not trying to piss you off, that is just where you seem to reside when it comes to me apparently.

[nancy]

Everyone in the game needs to take a stance on the Trinity lynch. I personally don't think there's almost ever a world where she's town here after her readflip on Oka. I think her flip clears Oka and probably Quick. I think her FF read is weird but I have 100 eyes emoji at 569 and don't think I would clear him as a partner just because she was scumreading him and buddying people who were voting for him.

pedit FF, why are you completely ignoring Trinity's post?

pedit Quick cut it out. I am reporting your posts.

What was scummy about her flip on Oka? If she’s a newb it makes sense for her to make the WIFOM argument? Unless you’re referring to something else

How does it make sense, please?

[Eragon]

i'll make a reads-list now, then likely lay down a vote
*cue fanfare of trumpets and singing angels*

[WhyMafia]

Thanks

[nancy]

What the fuck are you reporting my post for? Anger? Pretty sure that's not breaking any rules.

You are making the word "fuck" size 40 or whatever and are being abusive. It's not okay to treat people like this.

[WhyMafia]

So Trinity. Is the main reason you switched on Oka is because of his relentless push on you? That he wouldn't risk it as town? Because by that logic, as scum, couldn't he do that, and undertake that defense? That's just WIFOM (Hope I used that correctly ;P ). Knowing that you'd town read him bc no scum would be that brazen sounds like a wonderful idea for scum to just do it anyway

It didn’t seem like something scum would do. Like the thought process behind it is something I can see bc I thought like that sometimes myself when I was a newbie. I could be wrong, but I’m just confused how this post made you do a 180 after defending her so much

[Eragon]

TT-{Nancy}
T-{Flicker, WhyMafia}
NT-{FF, Iceman}
LS-{Quick, Oka}
S-{Trinity}


will look at votecount to make sure no hammy :3

[Eragon]

intent to L-1 Trinity?

also i can give a short explanation on specific reads if you want, but i have like <5 minutes left

[nancy]

Kinda think FF/Quick are both just town here.

[WhyMafia]

Elaborate

[WhyMafia]

That was directed at Nancy
@eragon why trinity?

[Quick]

What the fuck are you reporting my post for? Anger? Pretty sure that's not breaking any rules.

You are making the word "fuck" size 40 or whatever and are being abusive. It's not okay to treat people like this.

How am I being abusive!!!!

Really, how??? I don't understand how on earth you can think this!!! It's insane! I haven't used a single ad hominem, I haven't told anyone to fuck off even. All I have done is use the word fuck. That's NOT breaking any rules as far as I can see. Really? You want me to get banned for saying fuck? Why?

[Eragon]

That was directed at Nancy
@eragon why trinity?

because they are my top SR, one reason(and one of the bigger ones) is that they have no progression on there reads, and yes, it might seem like a bit of an OMGUS, but they dont MENTION my name one between putting me from Lean Town to Null to Top Scum

[Quick]

Look, bro... I am trying to prevent a fucking meltdown here.
What you are suggesting is exactly what I am trying to PREVENT...
I don't think a fucking 1v1 with you at this point is at all productive.
IDK why you are insisting on pissing me off, but I am so done engaging with you.

Do you think I am scum?
Cause if you do and you are town then why not 1v1 me? We obviously are not going to be able to coexist in this game.
Im not trying to piss you off, that is just where you seem to reside when it comes to me apparently.

nancy, are you seeing this rn?

And you are reporting MY posts for being abusive? Wut?

[nancy]

So Trinity. Is the main reason you switched on Oka is because of his relentless push on you? That he wouldn't risk it as town? Because by that logic, as scum, couldn't he do that, and undertake that defense? That's just WIFOM (Hope I used that correctly ;P ). Knowing that you'd town read him bc no scum would be that brazen sounds like a wonderful idea for scum to just do it anyway

It didn’t seem like something scum would do. Like the thought process behind it is something I can see bc I thought like that sometimes myself when I was a newbie. I could be wrong, but I’m just confused how this post made you do a 180 after defending her so much

Uh. Explain the thought process you had as a newbie more please? Like, the strength of her read on Oka doesn't match the weakness of the WIFOM argument. WIFOM is just like, "oh but it /could/ have been that". It's wishy-washiness boiled down to it's essence. So, what, she really just decided that her townread on Oka was wrong because, uh, it /could/ be wrong? I don't get how that's ever a thing even for a newbie?

[OkaPoka]

nobody's being abusive and talk about being abusive is wasting time and is going to get this game to 100 pages

[nancy]

Look, bro... I am trying to prevent a fucking meltdown here.
What you are suggesting is exactly what I am trying to PREVENT...
I don't think a fucking 1v1 with you at this point is at all productive.
IDK why you are insisting on pissing me off, but I am so done engaging with you.

Do you think I am scum?
Cause if you do and you are town then why not 1v1 me? We obviously are not going to be able to coexist in this game.
Im not trying to piss you off, that is just where you seem to reside when it comes to me apparently.

nancy, are you seeing this rn?

And you are reporting MY posts for being abusive? Wut?

You are allowed to scumread someone. You do not have to be abusive to them just because you think they are mafia.

[Eragon]

I still have a sick feeling in my stomach putting someone to L-1

VOTE: Trinity

This is L-1. No more votey

[Eragon]

nobody's being abusive and talk about being abusive is wasting time and is going to get this game to 100 pages

Plus it makes me wanna soak my eyes in bleach

[Eragon]

OkaPoka (3) - IcemanCh, WhyMafia, TrinityNZ
TrinityNZ (3) - OkaPoka, Flicker, nancy
Formerfish (1) - Quick
Quick (1) - Formerfish

Not Voting (1) - Eragon

With 9 players alive it takes 5 votes to lynch.


Hm.

FF pulling off the Oka wagon when Trinity put it to L-1 is definitely a Thing.

I'm not sure if it's clearing for FF or not. I feel like it probably should be? But I'm somehow not convinced.

so im going off this so i hope it was correcy