Open 733: Grey Flag (Complete)

[ofrhz]

pagetop!

couldn't resist

[the worst]

uhhh sometimes? he's not always that quiet :p

[Gosrir Elmer Odels]

Now I'm getting paranoid about you, Irch, because I'm already paranoid about TW.

Anyhow, what do you all think about NM being active? 51 in particular is interesting. I don't agree with his point, but I think it was serious, so that makes it strictly game-related. All of this was sparked by a push on NM.
VOTE: Not_Mafia
(not policy)

Why are you paranoid of The Worst and I?

That aside, I think Not_Mafia being active is more likely a sign that he is town than that he is scum. I am not in favor of lynching him at the moment.

I don't like the way TW's defending NM. He "defended" you in a similar tone, & #83 & #84 just don't mesh well tonally for me. :/

Anyhow, what do you all think about NM being active? 51 in particular is interesting. I don't agree with his point, but I think it was serious, so that makes it strictly game-related. All of this was sparked by a push on NM.
VOTE: Not_Mafia
(not policy)

Why is NM scum for this tho

It's different than what I've seen from town!NM so far.

[Not_Mafia]

I'm town

[the worst]

Now I'm getting paranoid about you, Irch, because I'm already paranoid about TW.

Anyhow, what do you all think about NM being active? 51 in particular is interesting. I don't agree with his point, but I think it was serious, so that makes it strictly game-related. All of this was sparked by a push on NM.
VOTE: Not_Mafia
(not policy)

Why are you paranoid of The Worst and I?

That aside, I think Not_Mafia being active is more likely a sign that he is town than that he is scum. I am not in favor of lynching him at the moment.

I don't like the way TW's defending NM. He "defended" you in a similar tone, & #83 & #84 just don't mesh well tonally for me. :/

Anyhow, what do you all think about NM being active? 51 in particular is interesting. I don't agree with his point, but I think it was serious, so that makes it strictly game-related. All of this was sparked by a push on NM.
VOTE: Not_Mafia
(not policy)

Why is NM scum for this tho

It's different than what I've seen from town!NM so far.

double shadethrow

why does my defence of NM irk you? do you think it's more likely to come from scum!me or town!me in this situation?

what about NM's play here is different from your experiences and why does it come from scum!NM?

[the worst]

also just to highlight how little I liked that post

VOTE: GOSRIR

[ofrhz]

Ok maybe TW is town

VOTE: gosrir

[Gosrir Elmer Odels]

double shadethrow

It was actually in my post before that.

why does my defence of NM irk you? do you think it's more likely to come from scum!me or town!me in this situation?

It's mostly tonality, but rereading it there's also another big problem, namely that it's BS. It doesn't matter what you can do with NM in the late game because this setup is designed to end the game before the classic late-game scenario arises. (re: 2nd qn: yeah, obviously...)
what about NM's play here is different from your experiences and why does it come from scum!NM?[/quote]
This is my 3rd game he replaced in in a row. In the two previous ones his activity was markedly different, Keep in mind that in the 1st one his slot was my primary scumread, so inactivity should also apply under pressure. It's different from what I've seen, & what I've seen is town, so that suggests now he's scum.

[Gosrir Elmer Odels]

Broke quote tag, sorry. :$

[the worst]

ftr I'm not suggesting NM is obviously town here I'm simply suggesting
1) policy lynching him for bad reasons is shit (slight FOS @ Quick, but mainly for another reason)
2) people who are scumreading him actually need to provide reasons for scumreading him

sue me

It's mostly tonality, but rereading it there's also another big problem, namely that it's BS. It doesn't matter what you can do with NM in the late game because this setup is designed to end the game before the classic late-game scenario arises. (re: 2nd qn: yeah, obviously...)

"tone"...nice, I assume your "gut" informed this
you've been caught out throwing shade and you're sticking to your guns, I like this

your second sentence makes absolutely no sense. NM actually has decent reads and is super super stubborn so I'm not sure what you're suggesting here unless you think we're like s/s?

This is my 3rd game he replaced in in a row. In the two previous ones his activity was markedly different, Keep in mind that in the 1st one his slot was my primary scumread, so inactivity should also apply under pressure. It's different from what I've seen, & what I've seen is town, so that suggests now he's scum.

what do you actually take out of this?
that a player who is often quiet as town but then offers a rush of fluffposts therefore must be scum due to the rush of fluffposts?
so you're trying to suggest he's sortable by postcount and suggesting high postcount = scum!NM

I'm gonna straight up suggest that you're making shit up on the spot. go actually read a few of NM's games for me and realise how much of an epic fail this is. his sheer level of activity is not alignment indicative. if you try to sort him by vote count you'll fuck up.

[the worst]

like you're suspicious of me because of something "tonal"
and think NM is scum because of comically misapplied meta


please start playing mafia you're making this too easy

[Quick]

I think we should either lynch NM or tell how he is readable.

[the worst]

you want me to explain how to read someone in the middle of a game?

[Quick]

you want me to explain how to read someone in the middle of a game?

Well, that would force NM to play differently, so, yes.

[the worst]

You'd rather hardlurker!NM than fluffposting!NM?

[Gosrir Elmer Odels]

@TW: Your main point was that NM can be generally sorted in the late game. Here we have no late game. This game ends at five people at the latest.
Tonality is a thing, I've never even met anyone who denied it. Your posts make me feel a bit uneasy.
I have nothing to indicate you're scum together aside from individual scumminess. I also have nothing against it.
re: postcount: NM's being defensive, he wants to alter the flow of the game. That's what I haven't seen from him. By activity I mean genuine activity, so active lurking doesn't count.
(All of the above was either already there or heavily implied in my previous posts. Maybe you should brush up on your academics.)

[the worst]

link me to the NM games you're talking about.

[the worst]

late-game is clearly contextual and revolves around the fact we'll have flips and will have spent weeks putting up with each other
not late-game as in 3p

maybe you should brush up on yours

[Quick]

I'm town

Well, I guess that settles that...

/s

[Quick]

late-game is clearly contextual and revolves around the fact we'll have flips and will have spent weeks putting up with each other
not late-game as in 3p

maybe you should brush up on yours

At that point in the game there is no use going over Data. For me, it's all feel at that point.

[Quick]

That should get the game going.

Discuss.

[Not_Mafia]

Please stop shtitposting Quick it's a negative influence on the game

[Ircher]

I think we should either lynch NM or tell how he is readable.

Seriously, how familiar are you with Not_Mafia?

[Quick]

I think we should either lynch NM or tell how he is readable.

Seriously, how familiar are you with Not_Mafia?

Enough.

Is this a WK, or a defense?

[Gosrir Elmer Odels]

late-game is clearly contextual and revolves around the fact we'll have flips and will have spent weeks putting up with each other
not late-game as in 3p

maybe you should brush up on yours

Sure, we're going to play this game for a certain amount of time, & that period of time is going to have a last third, when we'll also presumably have some flips & previous votes. I didn't specify that originally, but I guess for your sake, I can explain the obvious. Regardless, in this setup we won't have a classical late-game. As on the last day a majority of the players is guaranteed to be alive. What's true for late games in general isn't necessarily true here because the last one or two days will have elements of a usual mid- or late mid-game.

It truly baffles me how this point (supposedly) doesn't get through to you. When I originally made it, I explicitly used the word "classical."

Those two games are my two lasts games, which are literally the only two game threads where I've posted. I don't intend to start a new game before finishing this one, so I reckon you can find them easily enough, I'd rather not bother.