NY 213 - Game Over!

[JarJarDrinks]

in general or

Both in general and in this game. I haven't seen anyone really explain why they aren't on the wagon.

Honestly

If I saw a wagon being led by conftown and the wagon ended up flipping town

That's the very first angle I would be looking for

this is just silly. scum wants a mislynch. And I think especially on the day following a scum lynch, they'd want to stop shit from snowballing.

They aren't gonna let a perfectly good conf-town led mislynch disintegrate and risk a scum wagon gaining steam.

[Ankamius]

Honestly

If I saw a wagon being led by conftown and the wagon ended up flipping town

That's the very first angle I would be looking for

I wouldn't be too surprised if scum were dispersed off the wagon, especially if the slots right after the conftowns are town.

UNVOTE: Lalendra

Holy shit, that VC

Yeah Lalendra is probably town

>Ankamius makes argument that scum would scatter from a too-town wagon
>Ankamius sees wagon is town
>Ankamius unvotes and scatters.

Dude..

You aren't understanding my point

[Ankamius]

in general or

Both in general and in this game. I haven't seen anyone really explain why they aren't on the wagon.

Honestly

If I saw a wagon being led by conftown and the wagon ended up flipping town

That's the very first angle I would be looking for

this is just silly. scum wants a mislynch. And I think especially on the day following a scum lynch, they'd want to stop shit from snowballing.

They aren't gonna let a perfectly good conf-town led mislynch disintegrate and risk a scum wagon gaining steam.

Okay, here's your homework:

If you see conftown starting a wagon after a scum lynch and that person getting wagoned flips town, what would you be looking into first?

[Kublai Khan]

You aren't understanding my point

I am Jack's confusion.

[Kublai Khan]

@Ankamius - So you think scum is pushing the Myloninja13 or Dunnstral wagons right now?

[Ankamius]

Okay, let me put it to you this way:

Look at the wagon again, especially how fast it built up.

You're saying that scum would want to be on that wagon.

I'm saying that scum have no reason to be on a town wagon that is building up from only town. If that momentum stalls, then the wagon lags out.

Now why would scum do that? Because it's an all-town wagon that built up fast that, if the momentum is strong enough, will likely result in a lazy lynch when other wagons fail to have enough force to surpass it.

Which would incriminate only town.

[Ankamius]

I'd have to see a bit more to answer that seriously, tbh

It depends on whether either of them are scum or not, and I don't have reads on either slot.

[TehBrawlGuy]

Look at the inverse as well. If we ML lala, we'll look at her wagon for scum. If that wagon is largely conftown or town looking players, what happens to any scum who joined to push the ML?

They get spotlighted and screwed.

[Tchill13]

wouldn't uncleared town be just as scared to join that wagon as much as scum based on that logic?

[TehBrawlGuy]

no, not even close

it's pretty basic that townies are more concerned with scumhunting and scum are more concerned with survival

also, if we're asssuming lala is town, then obviously all the scum know she's a ML, but the townies who want to join her wagon would think she's going to flip red

[Ankamius]

if town are on a wagon at lynch, odds are they don't think it's going to be a townflip (or if they do, it'll be damn obvious why they're on it)

[Ausuka]

(just crossposting this over all of my games to say i'm going to spain for two weeks and won't have access to PC. i'm not on much nowadays anyway so my activity shouldn't, like, dramatically decrease, but i'll be less able to read through the game, make quotes, etc.)

[JarJarDrinks]

(just crossposting this over all of my games to say i'm going to spain for two weeks and won't have access to PC. i'm not on much nowadays anyway so my activity shouldn't, like, dramatically decrease, but i'll be less able to read through the game, make quotes, etc.)

You should put ur vote back on lala b4 u go. Look how scummy the Myloninja wagon looks.

[Golden Robster]

why would scum bus when one of their players just got lynched the previous day?

I don't understand

[TehBrawlGuy]

that's the man from the "wine in front of me" scene of princess bride, where WIFOM gets its name from

he's saying that scum might do that specifically because it would give them towncred as a thing scum would be unlikely to do


imo, I don't think scum being lynched yesterday actually affects the rest oft the scumteam's willingness to bus very much. When you have a 3 man scumteam, yeah, losing one makes you reluctant to bus and leave it all in the hand of the last scum. When you have 5 or 6, a scummate getting MLed is pretty meh.

[Myloninja13]

Yeah, so aside from the IC I townread approximately 0% of my wagon here lol.

[Ircher]

Day 3 VC #15

Dunnstral (3) - Golden Robster (3559), Myloninja13 (3765), Krazy (3978)
Creature (0) -
Kublai Khan (1) - Vaxkiller (4004)

Lalendra (6) - Hopkirk (3661), PenguinPower (3678), Tchill13 (3690), Wavemode (3716), JarJarDrinks (3721), Kublai Khan (4033)

JarJarDrinks (0) -
Texcat (2) - Scioness Sajj (3756), TehBrawlGuy (3790)
TehBrawlGuy (1) - Lalendra (3719)
Myloninja13 (4) - Dunnstral (3463), Texcat (3637), Ausuka (4010), Creature (4013)
Not Voting (3) - Frozen Angel, Gamma Emerald (3954), Ankamius (4044)

Lynch Threshold

During day 3, it takes 11 votes to lynch a player.

Deadline

Day 3 ends on July 24, 2018 8:00 PM EDT (GMT-4:00) or in (expired on 2018-07-24 20:00:00).

Moderator Notes

If you have consistent weekend V/LA, you must remind me every weekend, or I will prod you. Alternatively, you can set V/LA tags each weekend.
PenguinPower is V/LA from July 19 to July 22.
Ausuka is semi-V/LA from July 22 to August 5.
If you notice any mistakes, please point them out. (That includes looking at the voting history.)

Spoiler: Current Voting History

Day 3

Dunnstral: Myloninja13 (3463)
Golden Robster: Dunnstral (3559)
Pine (0):
Krazy: Dunnstral (3978)
Creature: Texcat (3472) --> Lalendra (3681) --> Texcat (3744) --> Myloninja13 (4013)
Kublai Khan: Creature (3511) --> Lalendra (4033)
Hopkirk: Lalendra (3661)
Gamma Emerald: Lalendra (3913) --> (Null) (3954)

Ausuka

: Myloninja13 (3640) --> Lalendra (3677) --> Myloninja13 (4010)
Lalendra: TehBrawlGuy (3719)
Tchill13: Lalendra (3690)
JarJarDrinks: Creature (3616) --> (Null) (3694) --> Lalendra (3695) --> Dunnstral (3704) --> Lalendra (3721)
Ankamius: Lalendra (3801) --> (Null) (4044)
Texcat: Myloninja13 (3637)
TehBrawlGuy: JarJarDrinks (3466) --> Texcat (3790)
Vaxkiller: Kublai Khan (4004)
Wavemode: TehBrawlGuy (3468) --> Lalendra (3716)
PenguinPower: Texcat (3473) --> Myloninja13 (3643) --> Lalendra (3678)
Myloninja13: Dunnstral (3765)
Scioness Sajj: Texcat (3756)

Spoiler: Previous Voting History

Day 2

Note: * - Hammer Vote

Dunnstral (4): Myloninja13 (1942) --> JarJarDrinks (2206) --> PenguinPower (3242) --> TehBrawlGuy (3248)
Golden Robster (17): Hopkirk (2078) --> (Null) (2096) --> PenguinPower (2112) --> Scioness Sajj (2152) --> Vaxkiller (2171) --> (Null) (2288) --> Creature (2299) -->

WhemeStar

(2304) --> Wavemode (2367) --> Scioness Sajj (2432) --> TehBrawlGuy (2526) -->

Flavor Leaf

(2642) --> (Null) (2783) --> PenguinPower (2979) -->

WhemeStar

(3099) --> (Null) (3284) -->

WhemeStar

(3286)
Pine (1): Andriod18 (1936)
Creature (3): Myloninja13 (1941) --> PenguinPower (2835) -->

WhemeStar

(3453*)
Kublai Khan (5):

Flavor Leaf

(1944) --> (Null) (2366) --> Vaxkiller (2423) --> PenguinPower (2899) -->

WhemeStar

(3027)

WhemeStar

(4): Vaxkiller (2245) --> JarJarDrinks (2301) -->

Flavor Leaf

(2542) --> PenguinPower (2930)
Hopkirk (5): Andriod18 (2197) --> Kublai Khan (2346) --> (Null) (2781) ==> (Null) (2782) -->

WhemeStar

(3008)
Gamma Emerald (5): Kublai Khan (2488) --> Golden Robster (2839) --> (Null) (2867) --> PenguinPower (2990) -->

WhemeStar

(3318)

Ausuka

(7): PenguinPower (1960) --> Myloninja13 (2434) -->

Flavor Leaf

(2504) --> (Null) (2573) --> Myloninja13 (2574) --> TehBrawlGuy (3023) -->

WhemeStar

(3293)
Lalendra (7): Vaxkiller (2184) --> JarJarDrinks (2334) --> Andriod18 (2503) -->

Flavor Leaf

(2657) --> (Null) (2705) --> PenguinPower (2809) -->

WhemeStar

(3097)
EspeciallyTheLies (1): PenguinPower (1996)
JarJarDrinks (10): Andriod18 (1945) --> EspeciallyTheLies (2041) --> (Null) (2066) --> Andriod18 (2192) -->

Flavor Leaf

(2327) --> (Null) (2612) -->

Flavor Leaf

(2640) --> (Null) (2755) --> Andriod18 (2943) -->

WhemeStar

(3030)
Andriod18 (2): JarJarDrinks (2116) --> Kublai Khan (2533)
Texcat (2): ArcAngel9 (1987) --> Myloninja13 (2552)
ArcAngel9 (1): Texcat (2072)
TehBrawlGuy (7): (Null) (2535) --> Wavemode (2690) -->

WhemeStar

(3062) --> (Null) (3118) -->

WhemeStar

(3165) --> (Null) (3196) -->

WhemeStar

(3233)
Vaxkiller (5):

WhemeStar

(2343) --> Myloninja13 (2472) --> PenguinPower (3012) -->

WhemeStar

(3112) --> PenguinPower (3290)
Wavemode (6): Texcat (2044) --> Andriod18 (2331) -->

Flavor Leaf

(2635) --> (Null) (2800) -->

WhemeStar

(2966) ==>

WhemeStar

(3115)
PenguinPower (7): Myloninja13 (1947) --> Kublai Khan (2572) -->

Flavor Leaf

(2709) --> Myloninja13 (2759) --> Golden Robster (2775) --> (Null) (2894) -->

WhemeStar

(2962)
Myloninja13 (1): PenguinPower (2437)
Scioness Sajj (3): Andriod18 (2904) -->

WhemeStar

(3034) --> PenguinPower (3255)

Flavor Leaf

(5): JarJarDrinks (2205) --> Kublai Khan (2499) --> PenguinPower (2715) --> Golden Robster (2774) -->

WhemeStar

(2958)

Day 1

Note: * = Hammer Vote

Note: ^ = Vote after hammer vote.

Dunnstral (5):

Osuka

(77) --> Texcat (1388) --> Lalendra (1623) -->

Osuka

(1758) -->

Performer

(1782)

Srceenplay

(0): (Null)

Performer

(5):

Osuka

(623) --> TheRampage (909) --> Wavemode (1051) --> Andriod18 (1765) -->

Performer

(1849)*

Joral

(0): (Null)

Almost50

(8): Hopkirk (97) --> Edosurist (226) -->

Osuka

(390) -->

Ausuka

(1205) --> (Null) (1304) --> Vaxkiller (1352) --> (Null) (1380) --> Andriod18 (1460)
Fumuki (0): (Null)
Golden Robster (13):

Almost50

(177) --> Wavemode (183) -->

Osuka

(236) -->

Ausuka (317)

--> JarJarDrinks (319) --> (Null) (546) --> Vaxkiller (602) --> (Null) (1504) --> Wavemode (1588) --> (Null) (1589) --> ArcAngel9 (1770) --> Andriod18 (1784) --> (Null) (1798)
Pine (2):

Osuka

(176) --> Andriod18 (1835)
Creature (6):

Performer

(385) --> Myloninja13 (720) --> TheRampage (813) -->

Performer

(898) --> Andriod18 (1449) -->

Performer

(1846)
Kublai Khan (6):

Osuka

(76) -->

Almost50

(122) --> Scioness Sajj (388) --> JarJarDrinks (536) -->

Osuka

(725) -->

Performer

(957)

WhemeStar

(3): Lalendra (234) --> JarJarDrinks (797) -->

Flavor Leaf

(955)
Hopkirk (9):

Osuka

(90) --> Lalendra (279) -->

Osuka

(696) --> (Null) (993) --> Wavemode (999) -->

Performer

(1273) --> (Null) (1315) -->

Performer

(1458) --> Andriod18 (1679)
Edosurist (2): Texcat (84) -->

Almost50

(222)
Gamma Emerald (3): Vaxkiller (710) --> Wavemode (1107) --> Andriod18 (1711) --> _{(Null) (1889)^}

Ausuka

(9): JarJarDrinks (89) --> Creature (104) --> Myloninja13 (429) --> (Null) (742) --> TheRampage (743) --> Wavemode (998) -->

Performer

(1604) --> Lalendra (1624) --> Andriod18 (1680)
Lalendra (3):

Almost50

(209) --> (Null) (559) -->

Performer

(1229)
EspeciallyTheLies (2):

Almost50

(83) -->

Performer

(515)
Lovebird (1): Edosurist (259)
Davesaz (1): Wavemode (1014)
Frozen Angel (3):

Performer

(1579) --> (Null) (1606) -->

Performer

(1814)
JarJarDrinks (8):

Osuka

(85) -->

Almost50

(114) --> Charles510 (186) --> Edosurist (231) -->

Osuka

(535) -->

Ausuka

(842) --> Wavemode (1112) --> Andriod18 (1410)

Osuka

(10): Wavemode (80) --> JarJarDrinks (124) --> ArcAngel9 (229) --> Pine (332) --> JarJarDrinks (353) -->

Performer

(769) --> TheRampage (771) -->

Performer

(1047) --> Vaxkiller (1359) -->

Performer

(1384)
Texcat (4):

Osuka

(79) --> Wavemode (1080) -->

Osuka

(1703) --> Andriod18 (1777)
Andriod18 (4): Kublai Khan (190) --> Lovebird (290) --> JarJarDrinks (855) -->

Performer

(1796)
ArcAngel9 (4): Texcat (81) --> TheRampage (223) --> Texcat (604) -->

Performer

(1397)
Charles510 (2): JarJarDrinks (87) --> (Null) (310)
Vaxkiller (8): JarJarDrinks (363) --> Scioness Sajj (389) --> Andriod18 (437) --> JarJarDrinks (532) --> Golden Robster (678) --> Wavemode (1078) --> TheRampage (1085) -->

Performer

(1116)
Wavemode (5): Texcat (82) --> Charles510 (131) --> (Null) (838) -->

Osuka

(867) -->

Performer

(1108)
TheRampage (3): Creature (100) --> (Null) (509) -->

Osuka

(681)
PenguinPower (1):

Performer

(1774)
Myloninja13 (4): Edosurist (233) --> JarJarDrinks (326) -->

Performer

(1554) --> Andriod18 (1787)
Scioness Sajj (4):

Ausuka

(406) --> (Null) (1325) -->

Performer

(1552) --> Andriod18 (1760)

Flavor Leaf

(1): Andriod18 (1772)

Pre-Game

Dunnstral (2): Texcat (9) --> Pine (43)

Srceenplay

(1): Andriod18 (62)
Pine (1):

Osuka

(16)
Kublai Khan (1): Pine (34)
Hopkirk (1):

Osuka

(66)
Edosurist (1): Pine (42)

Osuka

(2): Pine (28) --> Wavemode (33)
Texcat (1): Pine (44)
Wavemode (1):

Osuka

(31)

[wavemode]

Yeah, so aside from the IC I townread approximately 0% of my wagon here lol.

what is scummy about them

[Myloninja13]

Yeah, so aside from the IC I townread approximately 0% of my wagon here lol.

What is scummy about them?

The lack of anything to townread about them lol. I guess I maaaaybe can townread tex a tiny bit but like I just straight up have not seen really anything to indicate town from any of them lol.

[Hopkirk]

What are your reads on everyone Mylo?

[Hopkirk]

Scion, why did you townread Mylo but scumread most of the other inactives when you made that reads list in the 2900s?

[Hopkirk]

Also, why aren't you voting Lal when she was near/at the top of your scumpool yesterday?

[Lalendra]

If "half the game" scumreads TBG as tchill says, why am I the only one voting him?

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: myloninja
honestly all the actual content I've seen from him has been terrible
I'm done beating around the bush here

[Kublai Khan]

Okay. There is about 2 days left and Lalendra is still a wildcard with nobody claiming a solid town read (correct me if I'm wrong) but the wagon has stalled.

People need to be less stubborn and more open at this point.