Transformers Mafia - Dinobots STRONGEST!

[Fundamental Theorem]

it’s completely possible there’s a town day or night vig, one single scum team, and some sk’s/indie roles. why conclude multiball?

1) We already had a day vigilante fire (which we'll assume is scum because again, that wasn't really a town shot) 2) Radiant makes zero sense as a vigilante shot, and everyone here should know that. Given Fate's reputation on this site, they make very little sense as a vigilante shot as well, especially among the older players in this list. 3) Just by the sheer number of players in this game, it's pretty likely that the game is multiball and/or there is a SK (though I kinda consider both to be around the same thing.) 4) I'm not really familiar with Transformers, but I'm pretty sure from a flavor standpoint that it's likely this game's multiball or has a Serial Killer.

Thus, it's not an unreasonable assumption to make.

[Skygazer]

VOTE: Porkens

[Fundamental Theorem]

Duckling, tbqh, you haven't convinced me that you are town this game.

[the worst]

point being?

[the worst]

I literally thought I was a mafia traitor until last night sooooo anyone who's townreading me probably needs to do a quick hard reset

[Fundamental Theorem]

HELLO

HI

THIS IS PROFESSOR LLD

TODAY, WE'RE GOING TO PLAY A GAME.

THE GAME IS

"WHY IS VOTING NEITHER ANTI-TOWN?"

WELL IT'S SIMPLE.

DO YOU THINK, IN THIS GAMESTATE, SCUM DUELED THEIR OWN TEAM?

NO.

SO WHAT YOU ARE SAYING IF YOU VOTE NIETHER IS "AFTER I SAW 2 KILLS N1 AND ONE KILL DAY 1, AND WE HAVE 5 DEAD TOWNIES, I'M OK WITH ONE TOWNIE DYING"

INSTEAD OF

I DON'T KNOW

READING EITHER ONE.

AND IF THEY'RE BOTH TOWN, PICK SOMEONE BASED ON FUCKING USEFULNESS.

KILLING THEM BOTH IS BAD BAD BAD BAD BAD.

ALSO, 2 KILLS LAST NIGHT, SO LET'S EVEN ASSUME BEST CASE SCENARIO.

SCUM/SERIAL KILLER DUELED OTHER POTENTIAL SCUM TEAM/SERIAL KILLER.

ODDS OF THAT VERY LOW SINCE SCUM PROBABLY WON'T BE CASUALLY DUELING, AND IF THEY ARE AS A GAMBIT IT WON'T BE ON SCUM MOST OF THE TIME.

SO ENOUHG LAZY VOTING PICK ONE.

You have to consider the converse as well--the probability of lynching scum. This post only really addresses the probability of lynching town, which tbf, is higher when we pick neither versus when we go with one and lynch them.

The only thing that I think may be clearly better about choosing someone over neither (besides the accountability issue which I already kinda addressed) is that scum should be more inclined to shoot the winner of the duel since I'm willing to think that a good number of abilities require Energon to use (and there are also the hidden scrap abilities as well!) That's good in a way because 1) if we have two anti-town killers, they may end up shooting the same target (which should be a good thing) and 2) it helps protects other valuable town players

[Fundamental Theorem]

i thought i wass a mafia traitor but i misread my role pm :> dontchu worry about that

ok talk to me about my initial reads, are any of those glaringly incorrect or do you strongly disagree?

Elaborate on how you misread your role pm.

[Fundamental Theorem]

point being?

I'm saying I'm not giving you a pass simply because I agree with you and that if you are town, you need to do a better job of showing it.

[the worst]

and yes if they're both shitful to read and I'm not feeling one strongly over the other id rather swap one bad town for one scum than lynch one bad town and let the scumfuck live on

but from a 2 dimensional POV I totally get her stance



pedit: yeah agreed I'm working on it
I read my pm while half asleep noted powers etc. and decepticon. Didn't really parse that the actual wincon was written like a faction-neutral town wincon. I thought I was a bad guy who didn't know the names of my team mates

[Fundamental Theorem]

Okay, that's believable.

[Fundamental Theorem]

HELLO

HI

THIS IS PROFESSOR LLD

TODAY, WE'RE GOING TO PLAY A GAME.

THE GAME IS

"WHY IS VOTING NEITHER ANTI-TOWN?"

WELL IT'S SIMPLE.

DO YOU THINK, IN THIS GAMESTATE, SCUM DUELED THEIR OWN TEAM?

NO.

SO WHAT YOU ARE SAYING IF YOU VOTE NIETHER IS "AFTER I SAW 2 KILLS N1 AND ONE KILL DAY 1, AND WE HAVE 5 DEAD TOWNIES, I'M OK WITH ONE TOWNIE DYING"

INSTEAD OF

I DON'T KNOW

READING EITHER ONE.

AND IF THEY'RE BOTH TOWN, PICK SOMEONE BASED ON FUCKING USEFULNESS.

KILLING THEM BOTH IS BAD BAD BAD BAD BAD.

ALSO, 2 KILLS LAST NIGHT, SO LET'S EVEN ASSUME BEST CASE SCENARIO.

SCUM/SERIAL KILLER DUELED OTHER POTENTIAL SCUM TEAM/SERIAL KILLER.

ODDS OF THAT VERY LOW SINCE SCUM PROBABLY WON'T BE CASUALLY DUELING, AND IF THEY ARE AS A GAMBIT IT WON'T BE ON SCUM MOST OF THE TIME.

SO ENOUHG LAZY VOTING PICK ONE.

You have to consider the converse as well--the probability of killing scum--with the duel mechanic. This post only really addresses the probability of killing town, which tbf, is higher when we pick neither versus when we go with one and lynch them.

The only thing that I think may be clearly better about choosing someone over neither (besides the accountability issue which I already kinda addressed) is that scum should be more inclined to shoot the winner of the duel since I'm willing to think that a good number of abilities require Energon to use (and there are also the hidden scrap abilities as well!) That's good in a way because 1) if we have two anti-town killers, they may end up shooting the same target (which should be a good thing) and 2) it helps protects other valuable town players

EBWOP for clarity.

[the worst]

I think you've seen enough scum!me and town!me to know that it takes me a bit to wind up and early on its often easy to get confused

[MariaR]

I literally thought I was a mafia traitor until last night sooooo anyone who's townreading me probably needs to do a quick hard reset

I was honestly scumreading you so it makes sense tbh

[Spiffeh]

I literally thought I was a mafia traitor until last night sooooo anyone who's townreading me probably needs to do a quick hard reset

lmao

[stungun0404]

I literally thought I was a mafia traitor until last night sooooo anyone who's townreading me probably needs to do a quick hard reset

is this a scumclaim? i was already starting to think you might be scum, so official

FoS

on the worst.

@ft, you have some interesting points, however i felt you went to an exhausting level of detail for your calculations as if you’d bet everything in this game that this game is multiball —> which again concerns me. it’s totally possible we have a multiball setup, it’s just i have not reached that conclusion myself.

is there a possibility that one single scum team killed dgb day 1 and killed rc night 1, but someone who is relatively inexperienced with fate vigged him n1?

[Spiffeh]

for some reason I believe him unconditionally

[the worst]

update: stungun0404 maybe too low brow to be scum?


what it means is I was active lurking d1 to try and wrap my head around how to approach this as scum. after going back and rereading the more important parts of my wincon I now realize I need to solve this shit!

how do you figure that's a scumclaim?0

[Spiffeh]

who did you think your scum buddies were?

[the worst]

I was kinda hoping for some signalling and no one but rub signalled so I figured maybe him lmao

[the worst]

you'll note I hyperengaged with the "lower case scumteam" joke early on and set up a self meta WIFOM black hole re. the fact I lurk d1 in larges etc. etc.

[Spiffeh]

this is my favorite thing

[MariaR]

for some reason I believe him unconditionally

Honestly same

[the worst]

this is probably a good time to remind everyone I'm blonde irl

[stungun0404]

how do you figure that's a scumclaim?0

well, i have an idea of your gameplay, having overseen a scum game of yours and played in a marathon game where you were scum, and i think this is something you’d pull as it seems within your scumrange to make a statement like that. you have a tendency to make statements as scum from my memory that intend to pull the wool over everyone’s eyes precisely like the one you made there, so i can only assume you might be scum

[the worst]

I definitely like to think I'd do something like this as scum but like

also I don't think I'm creative or smooth (i.e. can fake my own awkwardness) enough to execute 911 onwards as actual scum fakeclaiming