Mini 2018 - American Presidents Mafia (Game Over)

[Not_Mafia]

Lynch Gustavo

[Not_Mafia]

I'm town let's lynch someone else

You aren’t playing like town.

And yet I am town, so lynch scum plskthnxbai

Sorry I don’t believe you.

Well sorry but you’re wrong

[Not_Mafia]

F**k knows which wincon he has, but it doesn’t look like the same as mine right now.

Exactly. He’s not playing toward a town win condition so when he tells me he’s town I don’t believe it cause I don’t see it.

I am

[Not_Mafia]

Someone put a vote on NM so I can do the lolhammer

Please somebody let this happen. If town NM is a liability we can’t afford to have but I think he’s flipping red so let’s do it

Nope

[Irrelephant11]

*our options

Thoughts on BV going before NM to determine the veracity of his claim?

Also just for me for reference
BlackVoid - 1sbp?
Nauci - neo, 90% clear
Irrelephant11 - Clear
skitter30 - Greeenest by play
Not_Mafia - ???
Gustavo - N1 target?
errantparabola - neighborizer?
Keyser Soze - Clear

[Keyser Söze]

We have time to talk about BV and our collective ‘town’ reads



I was hoping N_M was gonna show me signs of his famous scum hunting ‘skill’.

[Irrelephant11]

I mean if NM somehow sees with astounding clarity that BV was telling the truth, was the N1 target, and that Gustavo has been coasting on Shoshin's semi-Gus-clear, good on him I guess

I agree it doesn't seem very likely

[Gustavo]

wait but Keyser we should talk about out options

we are the two cleariest clears I believe

If nauci is legit yes. It’s

You/Keyser
Nauci
Me

Lynch pool is bv/nm/or the other person I can’t remember their name rn

[Gustavo]

We have time to talk about BV and our collective ‘town’ reads



I was hoping N_M was gonna show me signs of his famous scum hunting ‘skill’.

NM doesn’t scum hunt. He’s a gut/feels player. He’s admitted that in a game we played. So don’t expect anything more than what you are already getting.

[Not_Mafia]

We have time to talk about BV and our collective ‘town’ reads



I was hoping N_M was gonna show me signs of his famous scum hunting ‘skill’.

NM doesn’t scum hunt. He’s a gut/feels player. He’s admitted that in a game we played. So don’t expect anything more than what you are already getting.

That is scumhunting

[Gustavo]

That is scumhunting

No it isn’t.

[Keyser Söze]

We have time to talk about BV and our collective ‘town’ reads



I was hoping N_M was gonna show me signs of his famous scum hunting ‘skill’.

NM doesn’t scum hunt. He’s a gut/feels player. He’s admitted that in a game we played. So don’t expect anything more than what you are already getting.

Gut feelings are fine, but it’s not going to convince the other town players to join you, or convince them of your reads or own alignment.

[Not_Mafia]

That is scumhunting

No it isn’t.

It is

[Not_Mafia]

We have time to talk about BV and our collective ‘town’ reads



I was hoping N_M was gonna show me signs of his famous scum hunting ‘skill’.

NM doesn’t scum hunt. He’s a gut/feels player. He’s admitted that in a game we played. So don’t expect anything more than what you are already getting.

Gut feelings are fine, but it’s not going to convince the other town players to join you, or convince them of your reads or own alignment.

Not my problem

[Keyser Söze]

I mean if NM somehow sees with astounding clarity that BV was telling the truth, was the N1 target, and that Gustavo has been coasting on Shoshin's semi-Gus-clear, good on him I guess

I agree it doesn't seem very likely

I’m not quite sure that was N_M’s thought process but yes Gustavo is a player we can relook at while we wait for BV’s promised reply to Nauci’s case.

[Irrelephant11]

I mean, if Nauci is scum (which is really just not the case, aside from my strong townread on her this would be an incredibly bizarre long-game play for scum that makes it harder for her to win), that still would clear me and Keyser because there's only one scum left.

pedit: pretty sure NM's gonna be stubborn and stick with Gustavo, so I think we can just decide who to lynch.

I'm thinking BV > NM > Gustavo

I assume nightkills would be Nauci > Me/Keyser > Town loss

pedit2: I'm gonna start by looking at mom/tw/gustavo interactions

[Gustavo]

Not my problem

that's where the "playing against your win condition" comes in to play. if you are town it SHOULD be your problem. if you are town, you are going to get lynched today because of how you are playing. You aren't trying to find scum. You aren't even paying attention. You are scum or dead weight.

bye felicia

[Keyser Söze]

We have time to talk about BV and our collective ‘town’ reads



I was hoping N_M was gonna show me signs of his famous scum hunting ‘skill’.

NM doesn’t scum hunt. He’s a gut/feels player. He’s admitted that in a game we played. So don’t expect anything more than what you are already getting.

Gut feelings are fine, but it’s not going to convince the other town players to join you, or convince them of your reads or own alignment.

Not my problem

It is if you have a town win con. I have statistical evidence to prove that townies have a better chance of winning by working together

Do you want a link?

[Gustavo]

so I think we can just decide who to lynch.

NM is who we lynch

[Keyser Söze]

Yeah, go all the way back to StunGun who Towned up that slot in the first place too.

[Gustavo]

pedit2: I'm gonna start by looking at mom/tw/gustavo interactions

why?

[Not_Mafia]

Not my problem

that's where the "playing against your win condition" comes in to play. if you are town it SHOULD be your problem. if you are town, you are going to get lynched today because of how you are playing. You aren't trying to find scum. You aren't even paying attention. You are scum or dead weight.

bye felicia

Nope

[Irrelephant11]

Because if we lynch BV and he flips 1sbp, you (gustavo) are no longer cleared. And since we have to wait a while for BV to come back, and NM is being pretty stubborn, getting a closer look at you is another helpful option

[Gustavo]

Because if we lynch BV and he flips 1sbp, you (gustavo) are no longer cleared. And since we have to wait a while for BV to come back, and NM is being pretty stubborn, getting a closer look at you is another helpful option

even if he flips 1sbp i'm still cleared imo.

[Irrelephant11]

Mechanically, that could no longer be true. If he flips 1sbp, he becomes ~equally likely to have been the N1 target, except by virtue of flipping green he'd be

more

likely in retrospect than you to have been the target.