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Post Post #625 (ISO) » Wed Jul 18, 2018 3:38 pm

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Post Post #626 (ISO) » Sun Jul 22, 2018 8:58 am

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Sorry for the delay. I've been out of it.


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Post Post #627 (ISO) » Sun Jul 22, 2018 9:08 am

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interesting... i expected invis to be the one to go, not klick —> i came on to the theory that teacher is most likely scum last night phase and would have expected him to keep klick alive, but i’m confused now. maybe i thought too many steps ahead.

well, i’m still pretty confident that teacher is scum, but i’d prefer that we talk things out here because i don’t want to be wrong and witness a quickhammer
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Post Post #628 (ISO) » Sun Jul 22, 2018 9:09 am

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i assumed that i would be kept alive because i am the worse player
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Post Post #629 (ISO) » Sun Jul 22, 2018 9:44 am

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ok, so the primary reason i suspect teacher (ugh —> never thought i’d string those words together into a sentence, as i thought he was town this whole game) is obviously the jailkeeping situation, but aside from that i don’t like how passive he was as far as where his vote would go last day phase —> he sheeped invis and klick not because they were necessarily ‘right’, but because both invis and klick were conftown. even though he preferred a lynch on me, which was possibly an attempt by teacher to line up lynches, given that he primarily focused on discrediting me last day phase while ending on the nexus lynchwagon.

additionally, i discovered that there were quite a lot of mentions of teacher’s name in plat’s iso when i reinvestigated it (26 to be exact, whereas 3 for my slot and now i see 3 for invisibility), so in terms of distancing it’s a plausible bet that plat may have been helping with that if teacher was his partner. and of course last night phase i also finally found out that plat was a he, which apparently teacher knew - hmm; i went off her photo which had mistaken me into believing he was a girl (but underneath the profile pic sth different was suggested).

the thing with plat is that plat handed out a townread to teacher after seemingly the majority of the players in the game had, which initially felt sketchy, and i had called that out in my
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Post Post #630 (ISO) » Sun Jul 22, 2018 10:06 am

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also, i think it definitely makes sense for us to have a more active player trying to mislead us (teacher) given that there was scum apparently bussed on d1 (all of us were on the lynchwagon), and that ever since we’ve been mislead

but, what have you invis? teacher as well?
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Post Post #631 (ISO) » Sun Jul 22, 2018 11:52 am

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i have no idea who's scum but i'm leaning on you
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Post Post #632 (ISO) » Sun Jul 22, 2018 2:12 pm

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VOTE: stun

Invis I already made my case on Stun. I don’t really want to towncase myself but I’ll answer any questions you may have.
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Post Post #633 (ISO) » Sun Jul 22, 2018 2:21 pm

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ok, time i finally build a serious scum case on teacher, as it’s quite obvious i wouldn’t be choosing the wrong lynchwagon there if invis doesn’t quickhammer me. will have it ready by tomorrow evening (would have done it over the night phase if i had known for sure that teacher would survive the night phase - but alas my motivation was lower without that knowledge).
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Post Post #634 (ISO) » Sun Jul 22, 2018 2:22 pm

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WOW is that forced. Of course scum had to kill conftown. See through that WIFOM please.
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Post Post #635 (ISO) » Sun Jul 22, 2018 2:24 pm

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In post 634, teacher wrote:WOW is that forced. Of course scum had to kill conftown. See through that WIFOM please.
problem with that logic is probably half of my posts regardless of my alignment could be viewed as wifom, so that’s a null tell for me
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Post Post #636 (ISO) » Sun Jul 22, 2018 2:26 pm

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i will read over yesterday's posts tomorrow
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Post Post #637 (ISO) » Sun Jul 22, 2018 2:29 pm

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VOTE: teacher

but will follow through as promised on my scum case on him here as soon as i can get it ready
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Post Post #638 (ISO) » Sun Jul 22, 2018 2:36 pm

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In post 636, Invisibility wrote:i will read over yesterday's posts tomorrow
former refers to gametime, latter refers to realtime
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Post Post #639 (ISO) » Sun Jul 22, 2018 5:32 pm

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ok, promising the case will be in here by 5 pm board time tomorrow. going to bed for the night! have a good night everyone!
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Post Post #640 (ISO) » Mon Jul 23, 2018 4:37 am

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Invis, post is my case on Stun. I said that would be my last post of the game, but I cant resist updating it a bit, just because of how much Stun is letting his scum hang out today. As before, Im happy to answer any questions you have.

First, the contradictions:
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In post 627, stungun0404 wrote:interesting... i expected invis to be the one to go, not klick —> i came on to the theory that teacher is most likely scum last night phase.
In post 633, stungun0404 wrote:ok, time i finally build a serious scum case on teacher . . . . . (would have done it over the night phase if i had known for sure that teacher would survive the night phase . . . . . ).
:lol:
  • So first you knew Invis or Klick would die
  • And you “came on to the theory” that the only other non-confirmed town was scum “last night phase”?
  • But somehow you didn’t “know for sure” that only other non-confirmed town – the one you said was “most likely scum” – would survive?
:lol: Keep your stories straight.


Second, the blatant lie:
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In post 629, stungun0404 wrote:the thing with plat is that plat handed out a townread to teacher after seemingly the majority of the players in the game had
Demonstrably false. I already walked through the history of people reading my slot (to show Stun’s previous claim, that he led the townreads of me, to be false). The full history is in my post , but the fact is that Plat was the second slot to townread me in (see also Plat’s 68 and 90).


Finally, where Stun proves Im town:
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In post 629, stungun0404 wrote:so the primary reason i suspect teacher . . . is obviously the jailkeeping situation
I previously said was my towncase. But now I will explain why. It makes very clear I saw Elephant’s soft before Elephant’s death, and it attempts to put out another soft (as cop who “started the day” with an inno on Klick). The town motives for false-softing are obvious; better that VT!me die than Elephant. But what is more telling is the lack of a scum motive. Scum!me would stay silent after seeing Elephant’s soft, because acknowledging it before Elephant’s death would only cast suspicion on me (like Stun is doing) without much gain (since I was already townread and so don’t need this defense). Apply Occam’s razor to this play and it is clear Im VT.


Of course Klick died. He wanted to lynch Stun yesterday. Stun couldn’t leave him and me in the endgame; he had to take his remote chances with you.
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Post Post #641 (ISO) » Mon Jul 23, 2018 4:58 am

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^ lots of reaching in that case... again!

you say i’m LAMIST-Y in your case against me, but there you are for the second time this day phase looking super LAMIST-y with saying “i’m happy to answer any questions you have invis.” you’d better answer them, because it’s your wincon on the line. same goes for me.

“expected” does not equal knew

yes i came on to the theory AFTER nexus was lynched.

i’ve seen crazy things happen near endgame; there was like that ~1% chance we went wrong somewhere, and scum can try to push funky narratives to advance their wincon. i reconsider things wholly accordingly

your associations with plat are fairly gross, and i’ll cover that after bit in my promised analysis.

your towncase there assumes your not a good scumplayer, though, which i’d disagree with at this point

don’t act like you wouldn’t considered klling klick, although i did admittedly expected you to pick invis. klick had expressed doubts about you before last day phase because of you being a lawyer.
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Post Post #642 (ISO) » Mon Jul 23, 2018 4:59 am

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assumes you’re not a good scumplayer
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Post Post #643 (ISO) » Mon Jul 23, 2018 5:03 am

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They need to add a kissy face.

Good luck my friend. I have enjoyed playing with you, and look forward to doing it again.
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Post Post #644 (ISO) » Mon Jul 23, 2018 7:15 am

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ok, so i have a few softball games this evening, but i'll finish as much of this as i can before then. i'm committed to rereading all interactions and commenting on what's sketchy between teacher and flipped scum (plat) since i now know that teacher is scum.

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: platfleece here questions invis "what do you have to say in your defense invis?" but does not have his vote on invis, but teacher does. i could see this as trying to get a scummy reaction out of invis in order to justify teacher's vote on him, or even encourage platfleece to join that wagon.

: teacher explicitly mentions why his play may be attributed to what it has been so far in this game: "I disagree with this meta and tend to be longwinded in one post, but Im a lawyer and so get paid by the word." also, contradicts himself by very clearly stating that he'll talk about associations between scumplayers
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D1, even though he started this talk actually on D1 regarding associations with plat in his . I read into this now as him knowing that plat was going to flip scum, as that is the only reason for him to start anticipating plat buddy circumstances on D1 --> so he can set other people up for a mislynch on the following day phase.

: i find it interesting that teacher switches from invis to plat right after wingedcatgirl's starts the initial wagon on plat. i see this as trying to clear himself if his buddy happens to actually be lynched.

and : first townlean that plat hands out is on teacher for driving discussion (note: this was before teacher really got into his seemingly pro-town type of posting that had successfully fooled me), which seems now like a calculated scum distancing gambit now to me.

it seems like the main player that platfleece engaged in discussion with in the thread was teacher, which given that plat was somewhat of a newbie, this is a very common newbscum gameplay type with regard to their partner. this is pretty noticeable with a fair amount of attention to detail given to platfleece's iso.

and : exchange between platfleece and teacher in the thread regarding the reasoning of teacher's vote, which could have been a plotted distancing attempt between the two of them, given that teacher sheeped wingedcatgirl's initial vote with no reasoning attached except that he liked the wagon better than invis's.

: apparently, plat feels wingedcatgirl is somewhat serious about the vote on him even though literally no reasoning was attached, but apparently does not feel that teacher is serious (because he opts to question teacher but not wingedcatgirl) --> now i see this as an obv scum partner alert w/o the wool being pulled before my eyes!

: "However, I am in favor of lynching people who potentially lurk without actively abandoning the game." --> platfleece; she wanted a lynch upon lurkers, which should imply her scum partner is not a lurker. i guess you could say to an extent that D1 i was a lurker given my v/la on D1, so this was probably an early hint that we missed that teacher might be her scum partner.
Also, her comment on teacher here is icky: "Also teacher, despite your timing of the voting being iffy,
your reasoning if true makes you more townread for me
, but again, the timing of your vote still rings iffy for me." your reasoning if true --> what does that even mean? the degree of his townread is contingent on teacher's reasoning be true--essentially meaning he's using that as a modifier? that doesn't really make any sense. also, plat's post here draws direct attention to my slot without any reason to do so other than the lurkiness of 2 players before me. reads to me like she's fishing to see if she can get a wagon to develop on me, which should read like a scum observation on a townplayer given that she was already voting me. particularly, how she asks it here makes me think this is viable: "Random possibly Newbish thought, with the Daskter newbie slot being replaced twice now, how likely do you guys think the slot itself is scummy?"
note: this was stated right before i replaced in, which idk for what reason she would draw unnecessary attention to me other than that she wanted a wagon to form on me, and she was testing the waters (although her vote was already actually on my slot).

: soon after fishing for more info about my slot, plat searches for info about xander --> another townie she may have tried to wagon with the proper cause.

: plat proposes when i ask him who he townreads that only teacher applies, and uses icky reasoning again. "my townreads so far are really only teacher,
however the next post from him seemed iffy enough to get scum points from me.
" so i read into this that she's setting it up so that she can turn around and scumread teacher in the instance that we turn and scumread teacher ourselves, because this is very shoddy reasoning linked to townreading someone.

further, plat's statement here is sketchy with reference to teacher: "Now Xander's question.
You'll notice I didn't really bat an eye at Winged voting me, but I questioned why Teacher voted me
." this reeks of distancing to me now that i know nexus is town, because it reads as though she KNEW winged was town and thus didn't bother questioning her, but instead only questions teacher's vote --> and i feel that's because teacher is similarly scum. granted, the claim that it was because he "bandwagoned" her vote is plausible, but again this a newbie type of player speaking (plat) and i still find it especially sketchy because she found winged's initial vote to be "somewhat serious" but didn't feel the same way apparently with teacher's.

more to come after i secure myself some lunch!
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Post Post #645 (ISO) » Mon Jul 23, 2018 7:16 am

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In post 643, teacher wrote:They need to add a kissy face.

Good luck my friend. I have enjoyed playing with you, and look forward to doing it again.
good luck to you as well, you've played very well so far (and seem to be very good at disarming rivals)! i would love to play with you in another game after this.
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Post Post #646 (ISO) » Mon Jul 23, 2018 11:18 am

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: further point i’d like to make here, he feels the need to point out that she didn’t bat an eye at winged, but that she did at teacher in spite of townreading him.

reveals plat had the intent of stirring up discussion as scum strategy - and was supposedly glad about that. another thing that possibly hints to an actively misleading scum team of plat and teacher. plat had an apparent obsession over teacher’s thoughts on different wagon hoppers too —> giving teacher the leeway to express himself and depending on his response to move his vote if he choosed.

plat erroneously thinks irrelephant scumreads teacher, and questions him about it, even though irrelephant never did. he asks irrelephant about his vote timing and reasoning. this is strange - the assumption that irrelephant scumread teacher when he simply said “i don’t have a read on him”, and even irrelephant agreed in his . my question is why does plat care here? partner in danger of getting scumread? yes, i think so.

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Post Post #647 (ISO) » Mon Jul 23, 2018 5:15 pm

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stungun is back on track and ready to attack scum here...
In post 134, Irrelephant11 wrote: Lol I couldn’t think of the word for “not genuine” - is there a word for that? Disingenuous?
Totally irrelephant (i love saying that for some reason), but yes disingenuous is the correct word if you happen to see this!

In post 133, teacher wrote:Elephant!!! Great to see you and thanks for subbing in. What about the ESP's Plat vote seemed opportunistic/not genuine (I think ingenuous has a different meaning but this was your point?)?
fishing for a reaction about espe’s plat vote; maybe a goal of getting espe to reconsider.

: lmao @ teacher’s scum read off plat partly being based a post that plat only says “Start finding them mafiosos.” if that’s not stretching to see someone as scum, i don’t know what is.

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Post Post #648 (ISO) » Mon Jul 23, 2018 5:16 pm

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well today technically now; just later on
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Post Post #649 (ISO) » Mon Jul 23, 2018 10:50 pm

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^
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Reaching and just trying for an effort townread at the last minute.
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