Mini 2018 - American Presidents Mafia (Game Over)

[Gustavo]

Oh he neighbors TW. That could be a fake claim

[skitter30]

ok i'm back, yay

so assuming nauci isn't town fake-claiming (and i think it's reasonable to assume she's telling the truth given that there has to be another strong investigative somewhere), irrelephant and key are town (which takes out half of my lynchpool today, yay)

if we want to do a massclaim i think it's just me/gustavo/nm who haven't claimed yet, so if we're doing that lmk

ep i'm pretty sure is just town given how he reacted to the tw thing (and if he had neighborized literally anyone else n1 he would be conftown too given that we know that there's a rb out there who rb'd bernie n1 and he presumably can't neighborize/rb on the same night; since he neighborized tw it's technically possible that they're partners and the neighborize didn't actually happen; i'm aware that this is an unlikely possibility, but i'm just being thorough; if we accept he neighborized tw he's basically conftown too)

i don't know who was the nk attempt n1 but that person is also town; i have no way of distinguishing between bv-getting-shot-through-a-bp and gustavo-getting-targeted-by-shoshin-and-the-nk

so i guess i'm somewhere like:

{irrelephant, keyser}- mechanically; i don't actually townread them independant of that
{nauci,ep}
{gustavo, bv}
{nm} ---- null but i townread to some extent everyone else so i guess i'm voting here?

idk if nm is town i'd have to rethink gustavo and/or bv

i'm low-key worried i got pocketed by bv tbh, but i'm still having a lot of trouble seeing tw+bv as being a thing

i kinda townread everyone else (and/or they're mechanically clear) so i guess it's just nm? idk

the one thing that's holding me back here is that nm is super disengaged from the game and idk if tw banks the game on nm given how out of it he is

[skitter30]

Is a mass roleclaim necessary at this point?

@nauci lmk if you want me to do this

[skitter30]

Oops I somehow missed that he started NM n1. That's big

I think the only "no result" ones would be roleblocker or jailer? Ninja would give "no visit"

So we’re dealing with a Mafia ninja then..?

I did wonder why Mafia didn’t just roleblock BS (create some WIFOM for that slot, you weren’t even 100% sold on the town tracker claim) and NK Skitters, another mass town read player / possible TPR?

maf rb (or jk) i think; bs didn't get a 'you didn't see your target go anywhere'; he got a no result

i think bernie dying last night is indicative that the rb/jk is like one-shot; else i think they would have blocked him and killed someone else

i think

odd night doc
1shot neighborizer
1shot bp
tracker
neapolitan

vs

encryptor
1shot? rb/jk
goon

is kinda balanced? i'm not super great at balancing or anything but this feels about right to me, especially if the rb/jk is gated like that

[Gustavo]

God forgot about skitter also

[Irrelephant11]

massclaim would be good imo

If setup speculation is part of our thought process here

[skitter30]

ok vt

[Keyser Söze]

Yes please, mass role claim.

[skitter30]

(i kinda implied that with my last post; oops)

[skitter30]

We have time to talk about BV and our collective ‘town’ reads

I was hoping N_M was gonna show me signs of his famous scum hunting ‘skill’.

iirc tw thinks that town!nm has fairly decent reads

his reads this game ... do not fall under that category

[skitter30]

Town

Odd Night Doctor
Tracker
Neopolitan
Neighborizer
1 shot BP

Scum

Encryptor
Goon
Ninja or Blocker?

Who thinks this looks balanced?

one-shot neighborizer

and almost for sure gated rb/jk (probably 1-shot and/or used up shots already) and i think that's roughly balanced imo

[Irrelephant11]

Yeah I mean we might just win the game lynching Not_Mafia, and I'm okay with doing that now. If he flips green is where it gets interesting, but not till then. Idk why wait for NM's lynch at this point?

[Irrelephant11]

VOTE: Not_Mafia

[BlackVoid]

the one thing that's holding me back here is that nm is super disengaged from the game and idk if tw banks the game on nm given how out of it he is

I've seen N_M win games for scum despite being disengaged because people write off his anti-town play as "that's just N_M."

Remember, TheWorst isn't expecting Nauci to clear Keyser and Irrelephant. He'd be expecting Nauci and Irrelephant to both look pretty suspicious upon my flip. In his ideal scenario, I'd get lynched D3 followed by him getting quicklynched D4. Then there would be six people left with all three of Nauci, Irrelephant, and Keyser alive. Nobody had been paying Not_Mafia a lot of attention before.

Also, N_M just gave up so why haven't we ended the game?

Town N_M is trolly but he won't vote conf-town. @Irrelephant and Gustavo.

[Gustavo]

VOTE: nm
Much pleasure

[Irrelephant11]

So my head says scum are Not_Mafia, Mom, and the worst, but my heart says it's Gustavo, Nauci, and mathdino.

nice

[skitter30]

ok i'm basically caught up

i think i want

nm >> bv = gus >> ep >> nauci

where i'm assuming me/irrelephant, keyser are town

keyser/irrelephant are only not necessarily town if nauci is town fake-claiming here, which would just be like idiotic; if she's scum and lying they're still town; also the setup seems to indicate she's telling the truth; and either way she's going to get resolved by dying before lylo presumably and on the off chance she doesn't we can figure it out then

townread ep

and i townread bv + gus too but less than everyone else

so i think nm is my preferred lynch today

[skitter30]

Town N_M is trolly but he won't vote conf-town. @Irrelephant and Gustavo.

i literally just saw him do this as town

your responses are actually pinging me a lot

was that just hammer?

[Irrelephant11]

No, L-1 pretty sure. We were both on-wagon earlier, then left for BV, then back on

[Keyser Söze]

Can we wait til BV addresses Nauci’s case (while 3 town clears are still alive)

[skitter30]

^^^^^

[skitter30]

Also, N_M just gave up so why haven't we ended the game?

like this is pinging me - i feel like you're urging people towards a lynch which is ..... not like you at all

[Keyser Söze]

@Not_Mafia roleclaim too.

There may be a reason why he voted Irrelephant11 and Gustavo.............

[Gustavo]

UNVOTE:

[Gustavo]

@Not_Mafia roleclaim too.

There may be a reason why he voted Irrelephant11 and Gustavo.............

It’s cause he is either scum or playing against his win condition.