Newbie 1881 - Game Over

[nancy]

Oka, scum could easily have been afraid to scumread you because you were so busy in thread and willing to go up against anyone.

I'll talk about the nk after Quick does.

Vote: Eragon

[Micc]

Votecount 2.02

OkaPoka (2) -

WhyMafia, IcemanCh

Eragon (2) -

OkaPoka, nancy

Quick (1) -

Eragon

Not Voting (2) -

Quick, Formerfish

With 7 players alive it takes 4 votes to lynch.

The deadline for Day 2 is in (expired on 2018-07-31 17:20:00).

[OkaPoka]

but then again Formerfish can still be playing long con

he isn't acting like he was acting with my previous game, in fact its quite different in content/tone/method/activity

Yeah. I feel like I've explained this. I don't think you are going to see me the same way game to game right now. I think you could see things in me and things I do, but I am going to edit pieces out of my play and try others. Each of my games so far has shown a progression of sorts. There is no longer con. Just trying to parse the situation we are in now and how we got to be here.

Even with a playstyle change, why are you so quiet? Are you trying to be more reserved this game? What are your reads at the moment? Even when you played Cop, arguably strongest PR in the game, you went guns blazin.

[nancy]

(Also after FF does.)

[OkaPoka]

Why do you want others to talk before you?

also note the new deadline, hesitation isn't going to do town any favors.

[Quick]

You never answered my question @Nancy.

Why should I do what you want if you can't answer a simple question?

Will address Eragon's case on me later.

[nancy]

Why do you want others to talk before you?

also note the new deadline, hesitation isn't going to do town any favors.

Because it helps me sort them better.

Am not really planning on making too many posts this day phase, mostly interested to see who does stuff without me and who sits on their ass.

[nancy]

Your day opening is blatantly town, for instance.

[IcemanCh]

VOTE: Eragon

[Quick]

Oka, scum could easily have been afraid to scumread you because you were so busy in thread and willing to go up against anyone.

I'll talk about the nk after Quick does.

Vote: Eragon

Maybe?

And you are basing this off what?

[Quick]

what on earth is that kill lol

This is Scummy IMO.

In my experience Scum are more likely to draw attention to weird NKs than Town.

[OkaPoka]

iceman? why the l1 and naked vote?

[OkaPoka]

???????????

i referenced it too

wtf was that nightkill

- eragon did it too

[Quick]

@nancy, I pretty much never analyze NKs, so I don't know what you are expecting me to say about this one...

Can you please answer what that push on Flicker was now?

So For me, my PoE from most likely to least is this:

[WM, FF] WM hasn't really made an impact on this game as far as I can tell. His arguments are very generic (pretty much any argument he makes I feel is pretty generic) and full of buzzwords. FF still manipulative as shit. He might be saying he wasn't deliberately trying to piss me off, but I def think he was and the fact he is trying to cover that up is really really bad to me.
[Eragon, Oka] Eragon also hasn't made an impact on the game, but I view him as doing more than WM because he seems to have some solid observations on some things. Oka I am reevaluating atm. I feel like Oka has been kinda all over the place in terms of direction. That's something that in my experience more often comes from Town, however, I feel like Oka is the type of person who would try and play as Scum by creating chaos ITT. It's a feel I have based on their high energy. All that being said about Oka, I am solidly Null reading him because, on the other hand, some of the things he is saying/doing don't seem to have much of any Scum motive.
[Ice, nancy] The only thing that bothers me about Ice is that, generally, his approach to what he looks at for Town/Scum motive just seems completely off to me - that includes the recent naked vote. I might just chalk it up to inexperience, however. nancy pushing all the angles and not really seeing any Scum intent and she's pulled some Town moves I think. Blatantly shifting gears in who she is attacking - without any regard for any kind of progression at all - seems a bit too brazen for Scum of nancy's caliber. (And yeah, I def wasn't giving nancy enough credit as a player until I saw Mafia451 took what nancy said with more than a grain of salt so she's got to be on to something.)

[Quick]

eragon did it too

Just looked at that post and yeah, it looks pretty bad at first glace. I don't think it quite fits the same category as WM's post though because there was a lot more that went with that post than just "OMG I am SOOOOO surprised by that kill!!!"

[OkaPoka]

dude three people were surprised by that kill, we cant all be scum. think you are reading too much into it

[WhyMafia]

Why are you less confident in your town reads?

Everyone's done things that are scummy. It's a matter of who's more consistently scummy now I suppose?

Yeah, I was trying to save Trinity, my mafia partner. You got me.

Why. On earth. Are you suspicious of Oka. For sharing your scumread. Do you understand that the people who think the same things as you are generally more likely to be town?

Because I also scum read Oka and feel his reasoning is off? I can't describe what specifically pings me and I'm sorry about that.

That's what I thought too. Except I just played in a game off-site where someone did exactly the same thing as Oka and they were town.

Interesting

[Quick]

dude three people were surprised by that kill, we cant all be scum. think you are reading too much into it

I don't think I am.

[WhyMafia]

I expressed surprise Quick because I expected Nancy or iceman to be killed

Flicker wasn't even on my thoughts to die so ... how exactly is that scummy? You think it's a tell?

[Quick]

I expressed surprise Quick because I expected Nancy or iceman to be killed

Flicker wasn't even on my thoughts to die so ... how exactly is that scummy? You think it's a tell?

I don't think being surprised is a tell, but I think drawing attention to being surprised about the kill very well could be.

[OkaPoka]

@quick its me, eragon, whymafia: my post of ???????? was directed at the nk

@whymafia weren't you going to write up a more detailed post explaining why im scum and not devolve into feeling reads? you have 300+ posts to look into, you can find something.

[WhyMafia]

Bleh I'm re-reading Oka and I might be tunneling him at this point /conf-biased.
I'm gonna re-read him again tomorrow as well. But like there's just some stuff I simply cannot get passed. There are things he's done that just screams scum to me ..

[OkaPoka]

@quick, what im saying is that there is an extremely sizeable chance that this scumread direction is wrong since there are three people doing your scumtell and only two of us have a chance at being scum.

But whatever, could you elaborate why drawing attention to the nk is scummy?

[OkaPoka]

@whymafia im going to need specific examples and elaborations

[WhyMafia]

See Oka, all that VCA you did? It's all predicated under the fact you're town, and the results from the VCA confused tf out of me. See, that analysis logically would make sense if you were scum and the wagons got manipulated to switch to trinity. But in that case, I'm still confused bc I can't see who you're partner would be.