Newbie 1875 | D4

[Invisibility]

are we all finished or does anyone have anymore to say?

[teacher]

I mean I have lots to say about Stuns case but am restraining myself because I thunk it’s obvious and I don’t want to post for the sake of replowing the same field over and over again. So yea, im done, counter to instinct.

[stungun0404]

are we all finished or does anyone have anymore to say?

i have more. i’m still wanting to fully investigate teacher’s interactions with plat, and more -- including his own posts after d1. teacher has a lot of posts in this thread, and i'm crunched on time, but i'm doing my absolute best. think you could give me until we are halfway through this day phase (7 days in)? that would be the most optimal situation for both me and you since we are of the same alignment.

it’s funny though that teacher started his case on me yesterday, as though he knew i’d be tougher to lynch, but i really hadn’t started his until today. he was well-prepared to have to lynch me, and chose not to last cycle.

informed players/minorities tend to make cases against one player in advance, and then not follow it up with a vote or anything --> like teacher's case against me did last day phase. it's the reason he's able to just sit tight and pretty right now while i have to do everything in my power to avoid being mislynched. as for last day phase, where was his case against nexus? supposedly, he didn't have one last day phase, and yet he was fine just sheeping you/klick on the vote. he should have at least discussed it being the right choice before just following if he truly felt i was the optimal lynch.

This is not the reason behind the townreads of my slot, and I think you know that.

The helpfulness is accurate (look at the username), though Im not sure how helpful it is. It is also NAI, as I would do the same as scum.

But what the townreads were actually for was trying to drive discussion and get town active out of RVS. TBH, your suggesting otherwise seems like kind-of angle-shooty shade.

so, you admit in this post that helpfulness is something you would do as scum--and guess what? helpfulness

includes

driving discussion and getting town active out of rvs. so officially you admit that the precise part of your gameplay you're defending as the part getting townread should be seen as NAI in and of itself.

Deadline for D1 is (expired on 2018-07-06 00:00:00).

Just to avoid confusion, can you edit 4 too? Also, for future ISO purposes, can I request 0 show the slot history (e.g., Elephant

pickle

; Stun

Daskter

RatedX

). Not a big deal, but I find it helpful. Thanks!

why? so you can potentially use that as ammo against my slot later? yes, i think so.

just for what its worth, my informal VC has Plat at L-3 not L-2 right now, because ESP unvoted. (Winged and nexus are the same slot; nobody else has gotten on).

fairly attentive to the plat wagon i see. very plausible that it's because plat is teacher's scum partner.

I could be wrong of course

But thanks. And I agree its a bit of an odd tick of mine to emphasize how I could be wrong. But facts are facts, and the fact is that whomever we lynch is statistically likely (75%) to be town, and -- according to one outdated study of actual played games -- historically likely (90%) to be town. We just have to try for the lightning shot.

i'm thinking you actually helped us capture lightning in a bottle on d1 by helping us lynch platfleece so you would look like absolute town moving forward. plat was the d1 lynch, we were never truly distracted from plat, and your slot remained on them for the majority of the day.

I dont mind some pressure there. I'll even do it in few words.

VOTE: Nexus

i feel this was a bandwagon vote that followed irrelephant as an opportunity to deflect attention off his scum partner.

[teacher]

since we are of the same alignment.

Invis, if you havent noticed, hes taking every post he can possibly use to make some form of scumread off of and doing it, regardless of consistency with board-state or consequence. I havent looked at the ones in this post, but to take his last one as an example:

166 is where I made a really overlong scumcase on Plat, including commenting on the number of times he had talked with me and his use of the word "mafiosos". Stun only commented on "mafiosos", giving me no credit for making the actual case on scum, and ignored the fact that I explicitly said "mafiosos" was too reachy to be included in general (and was only mentioning for the benefit of newbs). If youre getting anything alignment indicative out of this, by all means wait and then ask about anything you want. But the walls of WIFOM are killing me. End this nonsense.

[teacher]

At least my case on Stun acknowledged where he looked good, like end of Day 1 and Day 3. Stun is just throwing spaghetti at a wall to see what sticks.

[stungun0404]

@teacher, there’s one clear difference in our two cases. you made yours last day phase, i made mine this day phase. you might have had the intent of nexus getting mislynched last day phase, so you modified the statements on him. whereas this day phase, i actually know you are scum and so i don’t have to modify my statements. like, i could burn some of my time to give you credit for some of things you pulled off wonderfully, but as far as advancing town wincon it wouldn’t do any good, and it would be a waste of both my time and invis’s time.

i will say, there’s a lot you’ve done right in this game, but i’m just focused on scumhunting atm and since i know you’re scum i’m focused on scum casing you.

[stungun0404]

modified the statements on me, rather

[teacher]

i could burn some of my time to give you credit for some of things you pulled off wonderfully, but as far as advancing town wincon it wouldn’t do any good, and it would be a waste of both my time and invis’s time.

nah mate. Its a pure honesty thing. Like I give you credit for what felt like genuine reactions to my case yesterday. I give that same credit to you now.

I dont mind that youre casing me. You have to do it to win. I am both (1) trying to show Invis the obvious hole, and (2) teach you how to do do it better next time.

The key is dont lie. Own your weakness. Like for me, my weakness is the fact that I tried to defend Plat hard Day 1 (after being the first one to seriously case them), and that I clearly saw Elephant's soft in real time (though I think that helps too). I own both issues. Everything else youve said is pure WIFOM and mostly focused on Plat rather than me.

You are not owning the weaknesses in your case. You are misrepresenting them. Like when you discuss 166 -- when I hardcased scum -- by only mentioning "mafiosos" rather than the actual substance. Basically, I practically built the Plat wagon myself (long before you voted), and you should own that. Instead you ignore it, and try to to distract by focusing on Plat rather than me. Like when you wrote this lie:

the thing with plat is that plat handed out a townread to teacher after seemingly the majority of the players in the game had

Then, when I called you out for lying, you responded by saying I was being "reachy" (without refuting any of my statements):

^ lots of reaching in that case... again!

Only to reveal the lie, BUT NOT OWN IT.

58 and 68: first townlean that plat hands out is on teacher for driving discussion

Bottom line, be honest. And Invis, hammer. Look at Klick yesterday and why the vote went through.

[stungun0404]

yeah, don’t hammer stungun. doing so is a mistake. a big fat mistake

have a dayjob tomorrow that will keep me afk for 7-8 hours, but will still check in and carry my case forward in spurts.

(@Plat when you do come back, I do want to hear your reaction to all that has gone on since Sunday).

genuine? or interested in hearing from scum partner? answer: the latter!

teacher is really adept at pushing discussion regardless of his own alignment clearly, so i’ll just say that and move on with my day having said something that works to his favor.


217: teacher observes and even question xander about changes in his read of plat, going from scum to town; even though teacher never really explained his own reasons for doing such. why ask a question if the same thing applies to you? seems redundant and to be precisely the type of question fishing for a scummy answer he can then exploit. also discusses joining the plat wagon here while it’s hot and heavy, albeit he does have reason in holding off given possible l-1 state of lynchwagon.

235: interesting, now teacher disagrees with klick’s case and then thinks plat is scum. so what is it teacher, is he town or scum? i think he’s flip-flopping so much and not committing to a particular alignment because he’s got conflicting options of lynching plat to put himself in a good position, or keeping plat around to further his wincon.

[stungun0404]

my weakness (or strong suit if you call it that) regardless of my own alignment is not modifying anything severely when i know someone elses alignment to be absolute town or scum.

[teacher]

I have a new favorite strand of Stun's Spaghetti.

just for what its worth, my informal VC has Plat at L-3 not L-2 right now, because ESP unvoted. (Winged and nexus are the same slot; nobody else has gotten on).

fairly attentive to the plat wagon i see. very plausible that it's because plat is teacher's scum partner.

I love that you are actually trying to scumcase me for calling out your distancing in real time, it's so cute! Let's remember what actually happened:

• You said your only scumlean was Plat, but you didnt want to put them at L-1 (183).
  
• Nine minutes later, I say a vote would not be L-1 (184).
  
• You then go silent for 24 hours (when today shows you check the site far more often than that), only to vote after I have moved off.

Fully consistent with the entire D1 distancing routine described in 552.

[teacher]

Invis, please make the walls of laughably inconsistent material stop.

[quote="In post 658, stungun0404"]
217: teacher observes and even question xander about changes in his read of plat, going from scum to town; even though teacher never really explained his own reasons for doing such.

Umm, you can say a lot of things about me (and you have), but the one thing that will NEVER be true is that I dont explain my views.

At the time of 217, I clearly thought Plat was scum, not town -- that was the whole point of 166. Later, when I actualyl thought Plat was town, I again explained myself at length. (290, 303, 307). Its this kind of easily refuted BS that is making your alignment obvious.

[teacher]

EBWOP. Invis, please make the walls of laughably inconsistent material stop.

217: teacher observes and even question xander about changes in his read of plat, going from scum to town; even though teacher never really explained his own reasons for doing such.

Umm, you can say a lot of things about me (and you have), but the one thing that will NEVER be true is that I dont explain my views.

At the time of 217, I clearly thought Plat was scum, not town -- that was the whole point of 166. Later, when I actually thought Plat was town, I again explained myself at length. (290, 303, 307). Its this kind of easily refuted BS that is making your alignment obvious.

[stungun0404]

i'm staying at a friend's house tonight with only my phone as an internet source, so terribly sorry for my general inactivity today. i intended to bring my ipad to my friends house, but instead misplaced it before leaving my house. will get a little in here shortly, and make up for the rest of it tomorrow.

[teacher]

I’m actually going to restrain myself from posting substance again in general, since it’s all basically been said.

But I will encourage Invis not to vote until tomorrow so that you can just have fun with your friends without worrying about posting. This isn’t that important (plus it’s not likely that Invis comes herr anyways )

[stungun0404]

thanks teacher! you are too nice for the last scum

[teacher]

VOTE: unvote putting the pin back in the grenade til you come back tomorrow. Have fun.

[stungun0404]

i will do the same <3

UNVOTE: teacher

now back to real life.

[teacher]

FYI going to throw my cot back up in 3ish hrs.

[teacher]

VOTE: Stun

[stungun0404]

ok, so i’m back and i’m focused. let’s see what i can do!

BTW, it’s official. A game that started 10 days after us is within 5 posts.

Regardless of your orientation, I expect more from the vets in here. A game like this simply isn’t a good introduction to the site and unlikely to be a “selling point”. F&*^ing step it up.

you say comments like these continually in the earlier pages, and yet you could have been the one actively questioning several people so as to press more content out of people. so while you’re complaining, it’s invalid for you are not playing the role of “town”play here optimally if you are worried about content levels, but not actively pushing more out of others.

mass questions is an excellent way to instead handle this that i don’t think you did at any point in this game to my memory, but correct me if you did. i, however, did do this immediately after replacing in!

[stungun0404]

Teacher also reads town from his big post. I say this because he mentions a scum play by saying I’m pre-OMGUSing. I like that theory because if he was scum, and he wasn’t pre-OMGUSing, but his partner was, I don’t think he’d let that slip. As far as I know I’m assuming mafia are most likely coordinating with each other, unless the mafia slots are the ones that keeps getting replaced, but assuming best case scenario,

I don’t think scum teacher would out a possible play by his partner this early.

That being said, it should be noted that I won’t OMGUS vote for just being on my wagon, context and reason matter. That’s what separates Esp and teacher’s votes for me, even winged. By the way, I do want to know winged’s reasoning back then. It seems there was an assumption that I went from accepting the vote to wanting to know. That is false. I accepted the vote as legitimate at the time PROVIDED winged follow up on her explanation. I’ve always wanted to know, but winged said she’d say later so I withheld questions.

Now then, that gives me strong Town leans on teacher and esp.

icky post. icky “clear” on teacher. icky bold. talks about pre omgus case on partner —> partner = teacher.

wow, this argument on teacher comes from an apparently relatively inexperienced mafia player here? dont understand “slip” tell here either

[stungun0404]

platfleece literally implied in that post she was scum! how did no one catch that?

[teacher]

if teacher is scum i will be so upset

Nexus --> stungun

Seriously, what are we waiting for? If youre worried you are alive because you towned me, just look at Klick. He was far more clear about wanting Stun dead before me (so scum me would have left him). Stun (and my) comments today are all WIFOM, but Im about to go into the weekend and just dont get why today is taking so long.

[Invisibility]

VOTE: stungun
you aren't going to post anything more of substance so bye
if this flips town i am a top hat eating pot-au-feu