Newbie 1881 - Game Over

[OkaPoka]

I can quote some more posts if none of these are the posts.

[OkaPoka]

or you can write the post number or something

[nancy]

Wait, eragon, is the bolded text in 1494 your commentary or is that part of the quote?

Pedit dude I'm on my phone, it's impossible to search for it, ctrl+f flicker in my iso, I don't mention her that many times

[OkaPoka]

i linked you some posts you can pick out of it in the previous page, just say first, second, third or something or i can keep scouring

ill do the ctr;+f

[nancy]

Yeah it was before any of those quotes

[OkaPoka]

Anyway I'm out, I'll be keeping up and stuff but I have laid out my reasoning, y'all can agree/disagree as you please. I'm not interested in muscling anything through or dictating where the lynch goes with the holy powers of persuasion. Think for yourselves and don't be sheep.

Pull pin, throw grenade, walk away.

why does iceman want to leave someone he marks scum to someone he marks null is the real question

Because there's more then 1 scum right?

Also, her reasoning and logic just resonate and make sense to me..... Does that make sense?

I'm sorta wanting to agree with Nancy and go with it. What do you all think?

Why do you need to hear other people's opinions, though? Also why don't you find it scummy that I'm doing this when you've been scumreading me whenever I move my vote before?

It wasn't that you were moving you're vote it was your reasons for moving the your vote.

You kept taking off your vote so no one would hammer and it prevented pressure from being applied.

This is different because you're moving for good reasons that kind make sense to me.

I'm sorta wanting to agree with Nancy and go with it. What do you all think?

If we look at pure name recogintion and participation. Would anyone disagree that Eragon, Flicker, and WhyMafia float to the top as possible scum?

FF has been super engaged and consistent.
Trinity has been floating around but, in the mix with everyone else.
Oka has been crazy invovled even if I have a feeling he's scum.
Nancy.... I mean do we need more?
Quick.... well I don't like him for town. I think he's scum but, he's engaged a lot.


So does it seem odd that if I had to award participation awards I wouldn't give them to Eragon, Flicker, and WhyMafia?

They appear long enough to give reads and then gone.


Maybe, I'm nuts.

I don't think you are nuts. Players lurking hurts Town... a lot. but sometimes people have a lot of other stuff going on while playing. It's not always the same on other sites which I am sure you are aware of having played a few 48/24 games. Sometimes I feel like games move at a snail's pace on this site. I've actually tried not to post as much as I usually do, because usually I get SR for that because people can't keep up but I am actually only a mid-activity player on most other sites, site depending.

Is this still more or less where you are with reads? I should probably do a final Reads List before I (or someone else) hammers.

If I had to do an order from town to scum I think it would go like this. I don't think they've changed much.

Nancy - Town
Trinity FF - Somewhat town
Eregon Flicker - Null
Why Mafia Quick lean scum
OKta - Scum

I still think Nancy is town I just don't like this controlling nature of the town wagons.

I also think it's a big mistake to lynch Trinity. I know I'll regret this if she does flip Scum but, I"m going to call it now. She's town.

Is this the same confidence that made you hop off the 2.8 train last game?

That was me being indecisive. I had him as scum and then second guessed it. Hopped off and was wrong. I'm trying to stick with my reads more unless something comes up to shatter it. I haven't seen anything to change either my scum read of Oka or my town read of trinity.

I still think Nancy is town I just don't like this controlling nature of the town wagons.

I also think it's a big mistake to lynch Trinity. I know I'll regret this if she does flip Scum but, I"m going to call it now. She's town.

Unvote

Kinda don't want to risk a hammer before WhyMafia has a chance to get back to me.

This is 1000% a scummy thing to do. Again.

I disagree. I can see how it can seem scummy, but think about it this way. If you think Nancy is scum for this then it'd only be scummy if she was bussing and pulled off her partners wagon like that. You've pointed out that she's done it twice now to different people. She can't be partnered with them both.

Now town is going to want to run people up, get some info and then regroup. It sounds like she is trying to get a read on WM and doesn't want the day to end before she can get those answers in case they end up being important.

I know that in a game recently I was cut off by the mod closing the thread for night. I had been working on this big post to explain where I thought the game was if I died. I never got a chance to post it because I was the nk. So I can understand why town!Nancy would pull off in those cases. She's not saying she isn't interested in the lynch anymore, just that we have a bit of time to look for some more answers.

It's not the association that makes me feel like it's scummy. It's the insistence on controlling the thread and what information the town has. It wouldn't come as such a shock if she did it when the intent to hammer was announced or after a claim has been made. The entire thing to me feels like a way to stunt the growth of town. We've been forced twice to stop a wagon and then get scattered again. To me scum is trying to run out the clock . I can tell you I'm 100% fatigued at this point. I don't want to look at the tread and try and reassess anything. Scum is winning.

Either way. For whatever reason. Your game is different in this game.

Formerfish is a strong player who strongarms lynches.

He attacks, picks, and essentially bullies his target whether he is right or wrong until others can see his way and get his target lynched.

But he doesn't stir the pot, Formerfish does not openly challenge others to a 1v1. More likely if you piss him off he just ignores you and tries to get others to vote his target.

This is what I've seen of FF as well.

You've seen me in two games and we haven't had a player like quick in either of them.

Right..... but that doesn't make my comment wrong.

Unvote

Kinda don't want to risk a hammer before WhyMafia has a chance to get back to me.

This is 1000% a scummy thing to do. Again.

Everyone in the game needs to take a stance on the Trinity lynch. I personally don't think there's almost ever a world where she's town here after her readflip on Oka. I think her flip clears Oka and probably Quick. I think her FF read is weird but I have 100 eyes emoji at 569 and don't think I would clear him as a partner just because she was scumreading him and buddying people who were voting for him.

pedit FF, why are you completely ignoring Trinity's post?

pedit Quick cut it out. I am reporting your posts.

Lynching Trinity would be a mislynch in my opinion.

these?

[nancy]

What are you doing. Those are Iceman quotes. Lmao

Fuck it I'll trawl through my iso for you

[OkaPoka]

im looking for where iceman told you to fuck yourself

[nancy]

That was hyperbole, Oka, lol. If someone asks you not to hammer and you ignore their request and hammer, that's a pretty big fuck you gesture

[OkaPoka]

problem is i feel like that hyperbole served no purpose other than to be emotionally manipulative

[nancy]

Man I read iceman's hammer again and it's just so so fucking bad. Maybe I shouldn't clear him for being completely insane. Ughhhhh

Hey iceman, what scum did trinity's flip reveal?

Pedit I'm sorry what? I have emotions, Oka. Expressing emotions is not manipulation. I'm trying reaaaaally hard to keep it cool here despite how I tilted I am. Do not get what you are seeing at all

[OkaPoka]

I'm sorry if you are actually town and I'm being harsh.

But being hyperbolic, expressing tilt to an extreme, and saying things like "Jesus fuck I hate this site" are all shit I would do as scum. Yeah town gets tilted at times, but right now I find it more likely that you are faking it and trying do some AtE.

[nancy]

Like, Oka, do you understand how incredibly frustrating your play is for me right now? You tunneled on my strongest town read yesterday and convinced everyone that she was mafia to the point that even I doubted my read and started to wonder if I was being stupid. And then with WM's help I realized that no, I wasn't being stupid, but it was too late, you had already trashed her and there was nothing I could do. And then today you start pushing on me, of all people, and for nonsense reasons. After everything you did to trash day 1 for me. After I put more effort into the game than anyone else. Did more to solve than anyone else. Went through the trouble of getting to town on you. Are you actually trying to drive me insane, or what?

Pedit no dude. I don't get tilted as scum. I nearly replaced out during the night phase, my girlfriend tried to convince me to do it but I refused to because I have a stupid sense of obligation. I cried when trinity was getting lynched because I knew she was going to flip town and I was helpless to stop it and it's against my process to hard defend people on day 1. I lost my mind and started pushing on flicker, because i just couldn't deal. I am 100% done with this site and I'm leaving after this game because even newbie games aren't safe anymore. Like yeah I shouldn't be posting this because it's a bad example to set as IC and I'm supposed to the one in control but emotions are part of the game and it's incredibly insensitive of you to push on me after everything that's happened and then say that it's scummy that I'm frustrated

[OkaPoka]

lets just mass claim at this point

[Quick]

Like, Oka, do you understand how incredibly frustrating your play is for me right now? You tunneled on my strongest town read yesterday and convinced everyone that she was mafia to the point that even I doubted my read and started to wonder if I was being stupid. And then with WM's help I realized that no, I wasn't being stupid, but it was too late, you had already trashed her and there was nothing I could do. And then today you start pushing on me, of all people, and for nonsense reasons. After everything you did to trash day 1 for me. After I put more effort into the game than anyone else. Did more to solve than anyone else. Went through the trouble of getting to town on you. Are you actually trying to drive me insane, or what?

Pedit no dude. I don't get tilted as scum. I nearly replaced out during the night phase, my girlfriend tried to convince me to do it but I refused to because I have a stupid sense of obligation. I cried when trinity was getting lynched because I knew she was going to flip town and I was helpless to stop it and it's against my process to hard defend people on day 1. I lost my mind and started pushing on flicker, because i just couldn't deal. I am 100% done with this site and I'm leaving after this game because even newbie games aren't safe anymore. Like yeah I shouldn't be posting this because it's a bad example to set as IC and I'm supposed to the one in control but emotions are part of the game and it's incredibly insensitive of you to push on me after everything that's happened and then say that it's scummy that I'm frustrated

I think quitting the site just because your Town Read got lynched is pretty ??? tbh.

[Quick]

I hate nancy right now because i cant get a fucking read on her. I hated the way she played the end of day 1 especially in light of how much I loved some of her posts early and mid day.

I was Strongly TRing nancy for pushing anything and everything but it almost seems a bit OTT to me at this point - like she is doing it on purpose or something.

Quick is ignoring any post from me that he cant twist into me being his personal attacker. In fact im pretty sure only nancy has even spoke up about the way that he has been confbiased towards me the whole game.

I am trying to reevaluate you atm. That's why I have been quiet - because I am trying to work through whether you were actually being manipulative or not.

[Quick]

Trinity flipping town should put you in a different light because she was technically your counter wagon. Her town could = you scum. The push you are making right out of the gate seems forced, like you hatched the plan over night to kill flicker and pin it on eragon.

I dont like doing nk analysis, theres too much wifom in it.

Not sure I like this too much. On the one hand, you are saying you don't like doing NKA, on the other, you are doing it with some pretty tin-foily thoughts on the subject. IDK, maybe I just expect a bit of conviction in the second thing because you're not a newb so I would assume you have some of these kind of things nailed down at this point and part of that would be just not talking about NKA if you don't like doing it/don't find it helpful.

[Quick]

Bleh. WM subbing out is really depressing

Why? This kind of thing happens all the time, what makes this particular case depressing?

[nancy]

No, quick, I'm leaving because the site is so toxic it makes me toxic. I'm leaving because the only people who are left play like RC. I'm leaving because even newbies are toxic now and there's nothing good or safe left on the site.

What in the world does "doing it on purpose or something" mean?

It's depressing because WM is a friend, I love the way he plays and he was my rock this game.

[OkaPoka]

Don't leave, I want to talk about this stuff post game

[Quick]

No, quick, I'm leaving because the site is so toxic it makes me toxic. I'm leaving because the only people who are left play like RC. I'm leaving because even newbies are toxic now and there's nothing good or safe left on the site.

What in the world does "doing it on purpose or something" mean?

It's depressing because WM is a friend, I love the way he plays and he was my rock this game.

To be brutally honest here, the toxicity on this site probably has a lot to do with the leadership on this site. The meta they are trying to form is not really concerned with "hurt feeling" IMO. I find a lot of the people on this site to be kinda elitist pricks who are always reminiscing of the good old days, but I digress. It's too bad you have to leave. I think you have probably made this site more than it actually is. It's a site devoted to a game where people argue about stuff. Well, that's probably a pretty crude simplification of what some of the people on this site would say, but whatever.

By doing it on purpose, I feel like you are pushing a lot of different people intentionally. Like it's not just based on how you are feeling about things, but more like you are going into the game telling yourself it's some sort of goal to push anywhere and everywhere. Like it's a conscious effort rather than it happening naturally, for a very much lack of a better term.

Sorry WM left, it was probably him taking what I said about his game as me criticizing him. Sorry about that.

[Formerfish]

Trinity flipping town should put you in a different light because she was technically your counter wagon. Her town could = you scum. The push you are making right out of the gate seems forced, like you hatched the plan over night to kill flicker and pin it on eragon.

I dont like doing nk analysis, theres too much wifom in it.

Not sure I like this too much. On the one hand, you are saying you don't like doing NKA, on the other, you are doing it with some pretty tin-foily thoughts on the subject. IDK, maybe I just expect a bit of conviction in the second thing because you're not a newb so I would assume you have some of these kind of things nailed down at this point and part of that would be just not talking about NKA if you don't like doing it/don't find it helpful.

I dont like to do it because its usually meaningless. Like look what I did, just imagined something that could have happened and as crazy as it sounds its just as likely as anything else that could have happened. I was being more cutting towards Oka with his insistence on me doing something. It was more of a be careful what you wish for because I could easily turn back on him. It was made flippantly.

[nancy]

No, quick, I'm leaving because the site is so toxic it makes me toxic. I'm leaving because the only people who are left play like RC. I'm leaving because even newbies are toxic now and there's nothing good or safe left on the site.

What in the world does "doing it on purpose or something" mean?

It's depressing because WM is a friend, I love the way he plays and he was my rock this game.

To be brutally honest here, the toxicity on this site probably has a lot to do with the leadership on this site. The meta they are trying to form is not really concerned with "hurt feeling" IMO. I find a lot of the people on this site to be kinda elitist pricks who are always reminiscing of the good old days, but I digress. It's too bad you have to leave. I think you have probably made this site more than it actually is. It's a site devoted to a game where people argue about stuff. Well, that's probably a pretty crude simplification of what some of the people on this site would say, but whatever.

By doing it on purpose, I feel like you are pushing a lot of different people intentionally. Like it's not just based on how you are feeling about things, but more like you are going into the game telling yourself it's some sort of goal to push anywhere and everywhere. Like it's a conscious effort rather than it happening naturally, for a very much lack of a better term.

Sorry WM left, it was probably him taking what I said about his game as me criticizing him. Sorry about that.

I mean, you're describing my day 1 town process. I push on everything to generate content. Day 1 is the most important phase of the game and is where you draw from to solve the game. If I still have question marks day 2 then I'll push more, sure, but at this point it's about using the content that's already in the game and clearing up the last of the question marks.

[nancy]

@FF who's scum, friend

[nancy]

@Oka if you want to make up for your tunnel on trinity, go back through day 1, look at how people interacted with your tunnel and see if you find anything slimy