Newbie 1881 - Game Over

[Quick]

No, quick, I'm leaving because the site is so toxic it makes me toxic. I'm leaving because the only people who are left play like RC. I'm leaving because even newbies are toxic now and there's nothing good or safe left on the site.

What in the world does "doing it on purpose or something" mean?

It's depressing because WM is a friend, I love the way he plays and he was my rock this game.

To be brutally honest here, the toxicity on this site probably has a lot to do with the leadership on this site. The meta they are trying to form is not really concerned with "hurt feeling" IMO. I find a lot of the people on this site to be kinda elitist pricks who are always reminiscing of the good old days, but I digress. It's too bad you have to leave. I think you have probably made this site more than it actually is. It's a site devoted to a game where people argue about stuff. Well, that's probably a pretty crude simplification of what some of the people on this site would say, but whatever.

By doing it on purpose, I feel like you are pushing a lot of different people intentionally. Like it's not just based on how you are feeling about things, but more like you are going into the game telling yourself it's some sort of goal to push anywhere and everywhere. Like it's a conscious effort rather than it happening naturally, for a very much lack of a better term.

Sorry WM left, it was probably him taking what I said about his game as me criticizing him. Sorry about that.

I mean, you're describing my day 1 town process. I push on everything to generate content. Day 1 is the most important phase of the game and is where you draw from to solve the game. If I still have question marks day 2 then I'll push more, sure, but at this point it's about using the content that's already in the game and clearing up the last of the question marks.

Interesting approach. I typically just play the same game regardless of what phase it is. I typically have good reads at the beginning and the end of the game and not so much in the middle. Hopefully, when the site get's updated, they can make having on-site notes a thing. I find MU to be far superior when it comes to the software of the site. Funnily enough, I remember saying this site had the best site for Mafia, but that was quite a while ago before I knew MU existed. In any case, I hope I run into you elsewhere on the net, like Mafia451 or MU.

[Micc]

Votecount 2.06

nancy (2) -

OkaPoka, IcemanCh

Eragon (1) -

nancy

OkaPoka (1) -

WhyMafia

Quick (1) -

Eragon

Not Voting (2) -

Quick, Formerfish

With 7 players alive it takes 4 votes to lynch.

The deadline for Day 2 is in (expired on 2018-07-31 17:20:00).

[OkaPoka]

Honestly, I don't know what to do anymore.

If nancy is indeed town, then I guess I'm a major asshole, being the cause of making her cry and leave this site after this game because of my play. I just don't know if I can handle that. But if I let that influence my decision to play this game, I feel like then I'm no longer adequately playing to my wincon.

This situation with nancy has already compromised my ability to play this game to the best of my ability in a way. I have thoughts I want to put down, things I want to say, but I'm worried that in the potential situation that nancy is town, I'm probably just going to make her feel worse and just be a bigger ass.

So yeah I just made a post announcing I'm going to be useless. Hope the rest of town can sort this out. There should be 4 fully capable town players still.

[Micc]

Skygazer replaces WhyMafia.

[Skygazer]

I'm here, I'm reading

Hi everyone

[nancy]

Honestly, I don't know what to do anymore.

If nancy is indeed town, then I guess I'm a major asshole, being the cause of making her cry and leave this site after this game because of my play. I just don't know if I can handle that. But if I let that influence my decision to play this game, I feel like then I'm no longer adequately playing to my wincon.

This situation with nancy has already compromised my ability to play this game to the best of my ability in a way. I have thoughts I want to put down, things I want to say, but I'm worried that in the potential situation that nancy is town, I'm probably just going to make her feel worse and just be a bigger ass.

So yeah I just made a post announcing I'm going to be useless. Hope the rest of town can sort this out. There should be 4 fully capable town players still.

Fuck, man. I'm sorry. Just talk about your reads. But yeah I'm town I think I've been blatantly town all game. I don't position myself in thread the way that I have this game as mafia, ever. I don't put all this work into solving the game. I let town eat themselves alive. I shove the lynch on you rather than let it go on trinity because vocal townies are dangerous. I don't kill Flicker of all people, especially not when I have a pr read on quick. I'm like, the only person in this game trying to hold things together. I'm losing my shit on an emotional level and that's bad of me and I'm sorry. I really don't get how you can ever scum read me, and yeah if you genuinely think that you need to reassess. I think you and iceman are just frustrated and are taking it out on the person you feel is to blame for your misfortune. Well, I think I have the game solved, I wasn't the cause of what happened yesterday, so like, I don't know what to tell you.

[Skygazer]

oh btw UNVOTE:

nancy/oka can be town so far (page 7)

[Skygazer]

nancy ily so far especially 149

[Skygazer]

[page 50]

dislike Oka's tunnelling of trinity and sudden suspicion of nancy when nancy scumreads him but I don't see scum Oka claiming VT necessarily?

nancy is still town
Ice is town
FF is town

I'm thinking I want to lynch between [Eragon, Quick] by PoE but I still need to finish reading

[Formerfish]

I don't see scum Oka claiming VT necessarily?

Why not? If he claims a PR he runs the risk of catching votes from the actual PRs who would know he was lying (depending on the claim and the set up). A VT claim is safe.

[OkaPoka]

Honestly now that I'm thinking about it, if you were an extremely dominant, vocal, and good player(maybe even an IC), an early vt claim might be a really good play as scum to make it seem obvious why you weren't the target for the nightkill.

But I'm not good so you know I'm town

[nancy]

If you didn't tunnel and cleaned up your process some you'd be a fine player.

[OkaPoka]

We can discuss and go in-depth on my convoluted thought process post-game.

[Skygazer]

Why not? If he claims a PR he runs the risk of catching votes from the actual PRs who would know he was lying (depending on the claim and the set up). A VT claim is safe.

That's fair. Maybe I'm thinking too much into it? I feel like fakeclaiming could earn a hammer if scum got unlucky with their claim but most town players aren't willing to immediately hammer a claimed power role so a VT claim lacks that survivalistic mindset you'd see in scum.

[Formerfish]

Yeah, we probably should have just lynched Oka instead yesterday. His VT claim means we didnt out a PR and that we wont be losing one. We would have gotten some info and been in much of the same position today, but maybe with more people now townreading trinity... i dunno.

[nancy]

Am looking forward to hearing where you're at when you're done catching up Sky. That was a super fast read of 50 pages.

[Formerfish]

@nancy- i like iceman for town, and you.

I feel like Sky could be scum just based off her reads list, but only for the slightest and most convoluted reason, so it doesnt even really play yet.

I think that Quick is scum and has been trying to play up the AtE and sympathy angles when it comes to me. Says hes trying to re-evaluate me, but doesnt really want to interact with me.

Eragon could be but that would mean that im definitely seeing a town!Oka which im just not 100% on board with yet.

So I guess I'm here

VOTE: Quick

[nancy]

We can discuss and go in-depth on my convoluted thought process post-game.

I'm pretty sure I'm not making any posts post-game, and I don't really see any reason why to wait. I'm not even particularly interested in understanding you at this point, I've locked you as town, I've also locked you as somehow who is basically anathema to me, I don't think you're ever going to change even if the game ends and all my town reads were correct and you have no basis left to think that your playstyle is remotely optimal. Not much more to say, I'm just going to do what I can to convince people that eragon is mafia and hope that I'm right and finish my obligation to this game.

[OkaPoka]

*angry grumble grumble post tomorrow*

[nancy]

@FF I hope you don't think it's unreasonable of me to expect more from you here. I think you're decently likely to be mafia here, if you're town then either quick is mafia or one of my town reads is incorrect. Who do you think that would be and why? Also, I don't think you've pointed anything out from quick that can't come from town so if you think he's mafia could you please like, bring everything to the table? Would really like to read you town here if you are town.

[nancy]

Yeah, we probably should have just lynched Oka instead yesterday. His VT claim means we didnt out a PR and that we wont be losing one. We would have gotten some info and been in much of the same position today, but maybe with more people now townreading trinity... i dunno.

I swear I've read this post like 8 times and I still don't understand it lol

[IcemanCh]

I didn't hammer early. I stated my intention. I gave more then enough time for anyone to say stop or do something differnt. When it came down to the final moments I again announced and made my intentions very clear.

You can't misconstrue that into a LOLhammer.

I said way before that I wanted flicker and eragon to catch up before hammer. Which they had just started doing, when you hammered. Right after I said don't hammer and you told me to go fuck myself.

Jesus I hate this site.

This is a straight lie.

[IcemanCh]

That was hyperbole, Oka, lol. If someone asks you not to hammer and you ignore their request and hammer, that's a pretty big fuck you gesture

This is also not true.

[IcemanCh]

Like, Oka, do you understand how incredibly frustrating your play is for me right now? You tunneled on my strongest town read yesterday and convinced everyone that she was mafia to the point that even I doubted my read and started to wonder if I was being stupid. And then with WM's help I realized that no, I wasn't being stupid, but it was too late, you had already trashed her and there was nothing I could do. And then today you start pushing on me, of all people, and for nonsense reasons. After everything you did to trash day 1 for me. After I put more effort into the game than anyone else. Did more to solve than anyone else. Went through the trouble of getting to town on you. Are you actually trying to drive me insane, or what?

Pedit no dude. I don't get tilted as scum. I nearly replaced out during the night phase, my girlfriend tried to convince me to do it but I refused to because I have a stupid sense of obligation. I cried when trinity was getting lynched because I knew she was going to flip town and I was helpless to stop it and it's against my process to hard defend people on day 1. I lost my mind and started pushing on flicker, because i just couldn't deal. I am 100% done with this site and I'm leaving after this game because even newbie games aren't safe anymore. Like yeah I shouldn't be posting this because it's a bad example to set as IC and I'm supposed to the one in control but emotions are part of the game and it's incredibly insensitive of you to push on me after everything that's happened and then say that it's scummy that I'm frustrated

Not trying to be harsh or mean. Cause, talking about real life stuff is good and this a game and we shouldn't get frustrated over it but......

You're AN IC. You know how games are played. You know how everyone has to assume anything said in the game is just the game. Nothing in this game is personal. This is a complete scum post. You're doing an emotional appeal to get a town read. This is wrong and you know it. If the game really is a stress for you then I'm not sure why you're an IC and I'm sorry for being harsh. But, as a town player I have to assume post like this are coming from scum. It's just how the game is. I have to assume anyone can lie and that anything can be used. There is no rule on this site that you can't give a sob story as scum.

IF it's a real situation I am truly sorry that you feel that way. This is after all a game. I do however as a town game player have to take this post as fake.

[IcemanCh]

No, quick, I'm leaving because the site is so toxic it makes me toxic. I'm leaving because the only people who are left play like RC. I'm leaving because even newbies are toxic now and there's nothing good or safe left on the site.

What in the world does "doing it on purpose or something" mean?

It's depressing because WM is a friend, I love the way he plays and he was my rock this game.

HA. funny you mention RC. I HATE HIS GAME. It's the worst.