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Post Post #1700 (ISO) » Sat Jul 28, 2018 4:39 pm

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In post 1699, OkaPoka wrote:me think its possible for any alignment to make any post tho

me confused

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It's hard on my phone.

Scum can't make a lot of posts that town can make, because they know everyone's alignment and they have to lie any time they talk about reads and they have to lynch town to win. Like, most people aren't as good at lying as I am. This is part of why it's important for town to play in a way that is hard for scum to fake.

I've kind of gone over this earlier in the game though, I think. Let me check
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Post Post #1701 (ISO) » Sat Jul 28, 2018 4:44 pm

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In post 1602, nancy wrote:Wait, eragon, is the bolded text in 1494 your commentary or is that part of the quote?

Pedit dude I'm on my phone, it's impossible to search for it, ctrl+f flicker in my iso, I don't mention her that many times
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In post 1608, nancy wrote:That was hyperbole, Oka, lol. If someone asks you not to hammer and you ignore their request and hammer, that's a pretty big fuck you gesture
In post 1609, OkaPoka wrote:problem is i feel like that hyperbole served no purpose other than to be emotionally manipulative
In post 1610, nancy wrote:Man I read iceman's hammer again and it's just so so fucking bad. Maybe I shouldn't clear him for being completely insane. Ughhhhh

Hey iceman, what scum did trinity's flip reveal?

Pedit I'm sorry what? I have emotions, Oka. Expressing emotions is not manipulation. I'm trying reaaaaally hard to keep it cool here despite how I tilted I am. Do not get what you are seeing at all
all this talk about emotion, while i feel it as a person, in the game...

i remembr nancy telling quick to not let the emotions get a hold of him.
then, nancy said(irrcc) that getting tilted is actually fairly towny.
And guess what nancy does? says shes tilted and emotional.
i feel its a towncred grab, and i dont know why nancy would want a towncred grab, but thats the way im reading this


In post 1612, nancy wrote:Like, Oka, do you understand how incredibly frustrating your play is for me right now? You tunneled on my strongest town read yesterday and convinced everyone that she was mafia to the point that even I doubted my read and started to wonder if I was being stupid. And then with WM's help I realized that no, I wasn't being stupid, but it was too late, you had already trashed her and there was nothing I could do. And then today you start pushing on me, of all people, and for nonsense reasons. After everything you did to trash day 1 for me. After I put more effort into the game than anyone else. Did more to solve than anyone else. Went through the trouble of getting to town on you. Are you actually trying to drive me insane, or what?

Pedit no dude. I don't get tilted as scum. I nearly replaced out during the night phase, my girlfriend tried to convince me to do it but I refused to because I have a stupid sense of obligation. I cried when trinity was getting lynched because I knew she was going to flip town and I was helpless to stop it and it's against my process to hard defend people on day 1. I lost my mind and started pushing on flicker, because i just couldn't deal. I am 100% done with this site and I'm leaving after this game because even newbie games aren't safe anymore. Like yeah I shouldn't be posting this because it's a bad example to set as IC and I'm supposed to the one in control but emotions are part of the game and it's incredibly insensitive of you to push on me after everything that's happened and then say that it's scummy that I'm frustrated
Yep, there it is.
"I dont get tilted as scum"
right after
"Im tilted"

obvious grab for towncred and i dont like it from nancy

In post 1620, Quick wrote:
In post 1618, nancy wrote:No, quick, I'm leaving because the site is so toxic it makes me toxic. I'm leaving because the only people who are left play like RC. I'm leaving because even newbies are toxic now and there's nothing good or safe left on the site.

What in the world does "doing it on purpose or something" mean?

It's depressing because WM is a friend, I love the way he plays and he was my rock this game.


To be brutally honest here, the toxicity on this site probably has a lot to do with the leadership on this site. The meta they are trying to form is not really concerned with "hurt feeling" IMO. I find a lot of the people on this site to be kinda elitist pricks who are always reminiscing of the good old days, but I digress. It's too bad you have to leave. I think you have probably made this site more than it actually is. It's a site devoted to a game where people argue about stuff. Well, that's probably a pretty crude simplification of what some of the people on this site would say, but whatever.

By doing it on purpose, I feel like you are pushing a lot of different people intentionally. Like it's not just based on how you are feeling about things, but more like you are going into the game telling yourself it's some sort of goal to push anywhere and everywhere. Like it's a conscious effort rather than it happening naturally, for a very much lack of a better term.

Sorry WM left, it was probably him taking what I said about his game as me criticizing him. Sorry about that.
this site is less toxic than some(*cough* homesite*cough* Cancer*cough*) but i understand how you feel.
(sorry i fucked up quotes this was response to nancy)


In post 1627, OkaPoka wrote:Honestly, I don't know what to do anymore.

If nancy is indeed town, then I guess I'm a major asshole, being the cause of making her cry and leave this site after this game because of my play. I just don't know if I can handle that. But if I let that influence my decision to play this game, I feel like then I'm no longer adequately playing to my wincon.

This situation with nancy has already compromised my ability to play this game to the best of my ability in a way. I have thoughts I want to put down, things I want to say, but I'm worried that in the potential situation that nancy is town, I'm probably just going to make her feel worse and just be a bigger ass.

So yeah I just made a post announcing I'm going to be useless. Hope the rest of town can sort this out. There should be 4 fully capable town players still.
i think you are doing fine, dont just slack off...

In post 1635, OkaPoka wrote:Honestly now that I'm thinking about it, if you were an extremely dominant, vocal, and good player(maybe even an IC), an early vt claim might be a really good play as scum to make it seem obvious why you weren't the target for the nightkill.

But I'm not good so you know I'm town ;)
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In post 1636, nancy wrote:If you didn't tunnel and cleaned up your process some you'd be a fine player.
i dont like this post either,
telling someone not to tunnel is bad.
tunneling is part of the game and one of the ways to catch scum.
if you dont tunnel, you might not catch scum, you might lose the game.
Telling someone not to tunnel gives me a headache
In post 1641, Formerfish wrote:@nancy- i like iceman for town, and you.

I feel like Sky could be scum just based off her reads list, but only for the slightest and most convoluted reason, so it doesnt even really play yet.

I think that Quick is scum and has been trying to play up the AtE and sympathy angles when it comes to me. Says hes trying to re-evaluate me, but doesnt really want to interact with me.

Eragon could be but that would mean that im definitely seeing a town!Oka which im just not 100% on board with yet.

So I guess I'm here

VOTE: Quick
Eyy im mind-melding here, but for different reasons
In post 1646, IcemanCh wrote:
In post 1594, nancy wrote:
In post 1590, IcemanCh wrote:I didn't hammer early. I stated my intention. I gave more then enough time for anyone to say stop or do something differnt. When it came down to the final moments I again announced and made my intentions very clear.

You can't misconstrue that into a LOLhammer.
I said way before that I wanted flicker and eragon to catch up before hammer. Which they had just started doing, when you hammered. Right after I said don't hammer and you told me to go fuck myself.

Jesus I hate this site.

This is a straight lie.
spicy?
In post 1647, IcemanCh wrote:
In post 1608, nancy wrote:That was hyperbole, Oka, lol. If someone asks you not to hammer and you ignore their request and hammer, that's a pretty big fuck you gesture

This is also not true.
its how nancy recieved it.
irs neither true nor false
its perception
In post 1648, IcemanCh wrote:
In post 1612, nancy wrote:Like, Oka, do you understand how incredibly frustrating your play is for me right now? You tunneled on my strongest town read yesterday and convinced everyone that she was mafia to the point that even I doubted my read and started to wonder if I was being stupid. And then with WM's help I realized that no, I wasn't being stupid, but it was too late, you had already trashed her and there was nothing I could do. And then today you start pushing on me, of all people, and for nonsense reasons. After everything you did to trash day 1 for me. After I put more effort into the game than anyone else. Did more to solve than anyone else. Went through the trouble of getting to town on you. Are you actually trying to drive me insane, or what?

Pedit no dude. I don't get tilted as scum. I nearly replaced out during the night phase, my girlfriend tried to convince me to do it but I refused to because I have a stupid sense of obligation. I cried when trinity was getting lynched because I knew she was going to flip town and I was helpless to stop it and it's against my process to hard defend people on day 1. I lost my mind and started pushing on flicker, because i just couldn't deal. I am 100% done with this site and I'm leaving after this game because even newbie games aren't safe anymore. Like yeah I shouldn't be posting this because it's a bad example to set as IC and I'm supposed to the one in control but emotions are part of the game and it's incredibly insensitive of you to push on me after everything that's happened and then say that it's scummy that I'm frustrated

Not trying to be harsh or mean. Cause, talking about real life stuff is good and this a game and we shouldn't get frustrated over it but......

You're AN IC. You know how games are played. You know how everyone has to assume anything said in the game is just the game. Nothing in this game is personal. This is a complete scum post. You're doing an emotional appeal to get a town read. This is wrong and you know it. If the game really is a stress for you then I'm not sure why you're an IC and I'm sorry for being harsh. But, as a town player I have to assume post like this are coming from scum. It's just how the game is. I have to assume anyone can lie and that anything can be used. There is no rule on this site that you can't give a sob story as scum.

IF it's a real situation I am truly sorry that you feel that way. This is after all a game.
I do however as a town game player have to take this post as fake.
i was reading this, ok... ok... ok... WHAT THE HELLLLL IS THIS???
"I do however as a
town
player"
you just have to throw this in. of course.
then
"I have to read this post as fake"
Where is the progression from Town -> fake post?
and how is the post fake?>
i can see it being a towncred grab, but never fake.
In post 1651, Skygazer wrote:honestly even nancy's tiltedness looks town to me

i dont see scum nancy desperately trying to save trinity at the end of day two, it's an interesting progression that would be so weird for scum to make

didn't get a lot of sleep cause my foster kitties are butts so im not sure when ill do a full catchup post
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Post Post #1702 (ISO) » Sat Jul 28, 2018 4:44 pm

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i havent quite caught up yet, because i got caught up(oooooo) doing other things, i now feel like a terrible person ;_;
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Post Post #1703 (ISO) » Sat Jul 28, 2018 4:49 pm

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In post 1650, IcemanCh wrote:So I don't get it. We've a melt down because why? I'm seriously not trying to be harsh but..... I'm struggling to understand how two players voting someone means the sky is falling. Maybe, I'm just being insensitive but, I'm really trying to understand.

I'm down for a Nancy lynch or an Eragon lynch. I'm not convinced on Quick yet.
In post 1652, Skygazer wrote:Ice's progression onto nancy is super out of left field to me actually and I'm not sure what to make of it yet
In post 1655, OkaPoka wrote:on a side note im thinking about a formerfish lynch, what about everyone else?
In post 1657, IcemanCh wrote:I think most of us agree on Eragon so maybe that's where we should focus and then sort the rest out tomorrow.
In post 1661, nancy wrote:
In post 1650, IcemanCh wrote:So I don't get it. We've a melt down because why? I'm seriously not trying to be harsh but..... I'm struggling to understand how two players voting someone means the sky is falling. Maybe, I'm just being insensitive but, I'm really trying to understand.

I'm down for a Nancy lynch or an Eragon lynch. I'm not convinced on Quick yet.
If you think that it was because I got 2 votes then yeah you don't get it.
In post 1662, Skygazer wrote:nancy if you end up playin mafia on a different site can i play a game or two with you there? You seem rlly cool after reading through these ~70 pages!

I might put my vote on eragon? I think I have a scum game and town game complete with him (newbie 1879 and donner party) so I might meta dive first and stuff

quick is mostly PoE at this point so I probably won't vote there today?

I don't think anyone has the scumrange to play like nancy has as town so at this point my vote is never going there

still townreading ff so my vote isn't going there rn
In post 1667, OkaPoka wrote:sky sorry u rolled scum
In post 1668, Skygazer wrote:me too ):
In post 1669, nancy wrote:Sky, make post about reads please. Reasoning.

Also, Iceman is lock town.
In post 1671, nancy wrote:Also... I don't think I'm actually out of my scum range. I don't remember all of my posts and there might be points where I pass it but idts. I would even make those ate posts as mafia tbqh. I don't really have a scum range, that's not how you read me. I'm town because the way I've played would be beyond stupid if I were mafia, I could literally never end game with that day 1.
In post 1680, nancy wrote:Oh hey, iceman still didn't talk about what scum got revealed from his hammer. Fancy that
In post 1681, OkaPoka wrote:me think today especially formerfish no care about what happen

me think formerfish want town to be poo poo

me think formerfish is ok with popular idea

if me right about formerfish be bad then me think eragon is town
In post 1691, OkaPoka wrote:me think formerfish no change meta for realsies

me think formerfish no desire to solve game
In post 1699, OkaPoka wrote:me think its possible for any alignment to make any post tho

me confused

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Post Post #1704 (ISO) » Sat Jul 28, 2018 4:49 pm

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FUUCK THAT QUOTE THING

I DIDNT EVEN KNOW I HAD THOSE AAAA CRAP FML
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Post Post #1705 (ISO) » Sat Jul 28, 2018 4:50 pm

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Oh wait I just realized iceman just made the perfect post for this
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Post Post #1706 (ISO) » Sat Jul 28, 2018 4:55 pm

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In post 1650, IcemanCh wrote:So I don't get it. We've a melt down because why? I'm seriously not trying to be harsh but..... I'm struggling to understand how two players voting someone means the sky is falling. Maybe, I'm just being insensitive but, I'm really trying to understand.

I'm down for a Nancy lynch or an Eragon lynch. I'm not convinced on Quick yet.
did you even read the thread? nancy wasnt getting tilted because she was voted...
In post 1652, Skygazer wrote:Ice's progression onto nancy is super out of left field to me actually and I'm not sure what to make of it yet
agree
In post 1655, OkaPoka wrote:on a side note im thinking about a formerfish lynch, what about everyone else?
im down with it because i think it clears up Quick's alignment even more than my read already
If FF is town, quick hardens into Lock-scum for me
If FF is scum, i might have to re-look at Quick
In post 1657, IcemanCh wrote:I think most of us agree on Eragon so maybe that's where we should focus and then sort the rest out tomorrow.
this is a terrible mind-set to focus on one person for a whole day and do nothing else...
its obvious procrastination and slacking.

In post 1662, Skygazer wrote:nancy if you end up playin mafia on a different site can i play a game or two with you there? You seem rlly cool after reading through these ~70 pages!

I might put my vote on eragon? I think I have a scum game and town game complete with him (newbie 1879 and donner party) so I might meta dive first and stuff

quick is mostly PoE at this point so I probably won't vote there today?

I don't think anyone has the scumrange to play like nancy has as town so at this point my vote is never going there

still townreading ff so my vote isn't going there rn
if you think you decide that im scum do you mind actually giving reasons for it.
This goes for anyone that thinks im scum

post 1668, Skygazer"]me too ):[/quote]
In post 1669, nancy wrote:Sky, make post about reads please. Reasoning.
"In post 1671, nancy"]Also... I don't think I'm actually out of my scum range. I don't remember all of my posts and there might be points where I pass it but idts. I would even make those ate posts as mafia tbqh. I don't really have a scum range, that's not how you read me. I'm town because the way I've played would be beyond stupid if I were mafia, I could literally never end game with that day 1.
The person in question says "Im out of my scumrange so im not scum:
"i dont really have a scumrange tho"
"but im not in it so im town"
>???
>Profit?
In post 1680, nancy wrote:Oh hey, iceman still didn't talk about what scum got revealed from his hammer. Fancy that
lol
In post 1681, OkaPoka wrote:me think today especially formerfish no care about what happen

me think formerfish want town to be poo poo

me think formerfish is ok with popular idea

if me right about formerfish be bad then me think eragon is town
lol
In post 1691, OkaPoka wrote:me think formerfish no change meta for realsies

me think formerfish no desire to solve game
im loving this posting.
In post 1699, OkaPoka wrote:me think its possible for any alignment to make any post tho

me confused

me need example
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Post Post #1707 (ISO) » Sat Jul 28, 2018 4:56 pm

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all caught up AMA.

i will say this,

my read on Oka has changed drastically.
i now think he is town
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Post Post #1708 (ISO) » Sat Jul 28, 2018 4:57 pm

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In post 1707, Eragon wrote:all caught up AMA.

i will say this,

my read on Oka has changed drastically.
i now think he is town
me happy that u like me

but me confused why you like me now

me need more words
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Post Post #1709 (ISO) » Sat Jul 28, 2018 4:58 pm

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Me thinks ur last pages poosts dont come from scum.

me think you are natural

natural is good and earthy

earthy is where town be

town be good

you good.
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Post Post #1710 (ISO) » Sat Jul 28, 2018 5:00 pm

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Totally not game related (or probably it is [anyways]), but I am actually really happy to see nancy do a "lmao." That actually made me happy.
https://youtu.be/LRkYiRnRzY0

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Post Post #1711 (ISO) » Sat Jul 28, 2018 5:01 pm

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also quick i finally understnad you when you said you voted iceman for the stupid read...

And i get it...
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Post Post #1712 (ISO) » Sat Jul 28, 2018 5:03 pm

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So if you are wondering why I am "not doing anything" it's because I feel pretty good about the way things are going rn. I feel good about a FF vs Eragon flip.
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Post Post #1713 (ISO) » Sat Jul 28, 2018 5:04 pm

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In post 1711, Eragon wrote:also quick i finally understnad you when you said you voted iceman for the stupid read...

And i get it...
Hmm? What are you referring to? I can't even remember what I had for breakfast, let alone an argument I made a while ago.
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Post Post #1714 (ISO) » Sat Jul 28, 2018 5:06 pm

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In post 1713, Quick wrote:
In post 1711, Eragon wrote:also quick i finally understnad you when you said you voted iceman for the stupid read...

And i get it...
Hmm? What are you referring to? I can't even remember what I had for breakfast, let alone an argument I made a while ago.
on my ISO of you i mentioned that i didnt like your OMGUS on Ice, then coming off it with a townread.
then you said, "Have you ever voted someone for voting you for a stupid reason"
I was like "No"

and now i finally understand what you mean and your PoV on that LOL
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Post Post #1715 (ISO) » Sat Jul 28, 2018 5:07 pm

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mr quick

me confused why you no talk more when me and iceman no likey nancy? or you likey nancy dead?
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Post Post #1716 (ISO) » Sat Jul 28, 2018 5:08 pm

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OK, so I actually think Eragon's catchup wasn't too bad. I'd rather flip FF personally, but I won't condemn an Eragon wagon at this point, simply due to PoE. I would feel better if Sky was a wagon as well, but that would be a bit too perfect, so just going to be glad about the flip either way.

BTW, nancy, what's your read on Sky atm? Any updates in your reads at all?
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Post Post #1717 (ISO) » Sat Jul 28, 2018 5:09 pm

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In post 1561, IcemanCh wrote:Here are my horriable reads at the moment.

Oka - Town. Blew my mind too but yea. I'm feeling oka as town right now. I don't know why but, the post about Eragon just made sense to me and things like that tend to make me think town.
Eragon - Scum. It's pretty scummy IMO to not vote until everyone else does. Get in there and get messy. Stop sitting on the sidelines. Scum sits on sidelines.
FF - Scum. I always get suspicious of people defending me. Sorry, I tried not to feel scummy about it but now I do. Plus while I get what you're saying about your play from previous games you have to understand that it's all I have to go on.
Nancy - Scum. Leading town around even subconsciously is pretty scummy. I will say this. Anyone who uses my entire spiel about the IC being suspicious had better drop it. I don't care what read I have on Nancy. If scum takes me to LyLo I'm going to be sheeping her 100%. No questions. Whatever she votes I vote. So don't you dare take me to LyLo.
WhyMafia - Town. This one is harder to explain. Call it gut. I hate calling it gut though cause as a townie I should be able to logically explain where I'm at. I can't though.....
Quick - Town. I want to say scum but I can't. I think Quick's approach is so different from my own that I want to call him scum for it but he's been 100% consistent with it and I have to sit back and say that there isn't actually anything scummy there.
So Oka this post is like, the quintessential twtbaw post. There's no possible way to read into this other than by reading into mindset, by thinking about how self-aware iceman is about how scummy he is coming across and how much he would avoid giving off that scent as mafia.

And when I read this post, I see a lot of markers telling me that he's pretty darn self-aware, and I am making the educated guess that based on his earlier posting he thinks a lot of this would come across as scummy. The biggest one is is the whole "I scum read nancy but will 100% sheep her in lylo". It is so unbelievably scummy and he's so aware of it that it just makes no sense for him to post that as a wolf.

The read flip on you, "I know, it blew my mind too", "I tried not to feel scummy about you", "I hate calling it gut", is all like, really self aware commentary that is all super wolfy but like, ends up feeling to me like he wouldn't let his posts be that bad as a wolf.

Regardless of whether my read on him here is right (maybe I'm overleveling and he's Actually Just A Wolf), that's the kind of process you have to go through in reading into mindset and figuring out if the post makes sense from them as town. Just dig into a post and see if you think they believe the stuff they're saying, see if there's any wolf agenda, ask yourself what are they doing here in the big picture, are they solving the game or they are faking it?
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Post Post #1718 (ISO) » Sat Jul 28, 2018 5:11 pm

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In post 1715, OkaPoka wrote:mr quick

me confused why you no talk more when me and iceman no likey nancy? or you likey nancy dead?
Like... My read on nancy hasn't really changed much. I feel like I can either tin-foil myself into oblivion thinking about whether nancy is Scum or not, but on a fundamental level, I guess I just think nancy is Town. *shrug* would really dislike a nancy lynch at this point.
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Post Post #1719 (ISO) » Sat Jul 28, 2018 5:11 pm

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no not what i mean mr quick

when me and ice go at ms nancy

why u no talk more and be like no no no dont do dat
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Post Post #1720 (ISO) » Sat Jul 28, 2018 5:13 pm

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In post 1719, OkaPoka wrote:no not what i mean mr quick

when me and ice go at ms nancy

why u no talk more and be like no no no dont do dat
I generally don't hard core defend TRs. I just don't. Feel free to look me up on this, but it would probably be a pretty arduous task considering you would be looking for false positives instead of actual mentions.
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Post Post #1721 (ISO) » Sat Jul 28, 2018 5:14 pm

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T-{Oka, Skygazer, Nancy}
Depending on other flip one is Strong town-{[FF/Quick}
S-{[FF/Quick], Iceman}

in terms of strength.

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Post Post #1722 (ISO) » Sat Jul 28, 2018 5:14 pm

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every Oka post makes me smile :3
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Post Post #1723 (ISO) » Sat Jul 28, 2018 5:17 pm

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In post 1712, Quick wrote:So if you are wondering why I am "not doing anything" it's because I feel pretty good about the way things are going rn. I feel good about a FF vs Eragon flip.
so u no do thing now because u content

but u no do thing before because too hard

when u do thing
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Post Post #1724 (ISO) » Sat Jul 28, 2018 5:19 pm

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Eragon explain how FF town make quick scum pls?
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hi meet my mafiascum gravestone, the flowers were probably left by camn or schadd or Prism, blow them kisses for me would you?
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