NY 213 - Game Over!

[Hopkirk]

Also, how do you feel about Scion?

[Krazy]

9. HopKirk -- Hopelessly lost town lead

this strike me as discreditory
Also I'm probably gonna start reading the stuff I missed cos if I don't I'm gonna continue not understanding what's going on

I'm just salty that he disagrees with me on you and cat.

This is also why I don't usually do full lists. Everyone focuses on the string-of-consciousness thoughts I poop out for slots I am not thinking about that much and it just distracts from the slots I actually think are scummy. Like, I think pretty much everyone else is null, other than the people I think are scummy. I don't see how this helps tbh. With this many players and the number of scum, even with a flip I'm not sure I'm seeing a lot of play that can give me certainty someone is hard town. Especially when we still have 15% of the game as basically lurkers.

Like what even is this. Are you any less scummy just because I made a joke about our last mason?

[Tchill13]

Also, how do you feel about Scion?

Who's this directed at?

[Hopkirk]

TBG. Didn't know it'd be a pagetop.

[wavemode]

VOTE: Scioness Sajj

[Tchill13]

If we had an option of chainsawing ppl on or off the wagon I'd choose chainsawing off the wheme wagon. I there there's more scum off it that stalled it than on it that bussed.

[Hopkirk]

I kind of feel like just ignoring everyone on the Wheme wagon for now.

I could go for Vax.

[Hopkirk]

VOTE: Scion

[Hopkirk]

I feel anti-Robster.

[Krazy]

Did GR actually replace or she just v/la?

Anyway it sounds like Hopkirk is strongly opposed to texcat. I would like you to explain why you see texcat as town, because I REALLY do not see it, and if you can convince me then I need to reread wavemode so I can remember what I didn't like about his slot.

So we are back to this then.

Vote Gamma

THE COOKIES ARE MOVING, PEOPLE.

[Hopkirk]

How do people feel on Gamma and Frozen angel ('s slot)

[Hopkirk]

Krazy, scum read anyone from (Mylo/Robster/Scion/Vax)

[Krazy]

I'm pretty sure GR is scum but I'm afraid of training her since her town contributions could be quite good if I'm wrong.

At some point, I didn't like Scion or Vax as scum quite as much as Gamma, Texcat, maybeDunn, GR, or wavemode. So I don't have room in my scum team to fit them. But I don't see anything that makes me think they're town either. Pretty much just null. I'll re-evaluate when I get flips on one of my current leads.

For Mylo, I like his suspicions of Gamma, and didn't love the wagon on him. Soft townlean, but there's not a lot to work with.

[Tchill13]

VOTE: scion

I've yet to sort gamma or frozen. Is there any particular reason you're asking hopkirk?

[Tchill13]

I feel anti-Robster.

Anti robster is town or anti robster is scum?

[Krazy]

Whatever. You had your shot and blew it. The game I wanted you to point to was Open 688. You modded that game, so you should remember that Creature was so unengaged that he forgot his night action. Your assertion that it's completely black-and-white was bullshit.

Oh right, Gamma was the one that thought Creature was obvious by day 3. Gamma is Creature obviously town or obviously scum this game?

[Krazy]

Command, where is the air support?

RRRR--Roger that, Helo is in Route

CONFIRMATION FROM COMMAND -- WE ARE WEAPONS FREE

VOTE: myloninja
honestly all the actual content I've seen from him has been terrible
I'm done beating around the bush here

Opportunism.

UNVOTE:
Lalendra explained the issues I had and she seems genuine rn

Gamma knows Lalendra flips green.

UNVOTE:
honestly the behavior after this slot claimed from a couple people makes me think it's town
is there any other wagon to performer (besides android)? I'll vote performer if it's literally the ONLY option, but if anything else is there I'll probably vote there.

This is a scum post.

and a game I self hammered as doctor because I was frustrated that people didn’t believe my claim because I didn’t claim flavor?

Get your bs out of here

So when your frustrated as town you care about what happens after you get lynched? When your not frustrated all you care about is surviving?

mhm thinking about it it's actually very similar to his first newbie and yet he's playing different
nah fuck dis s*** I think wheme is actually scum
VOTE: Whemestar

This is a bus.

A counter wagon that didn't go through cause the original wagon got lynched imo

what part is your opinion?

That Android was the counter to performer not vise versa

Andorid wagon was shit and it didn't make any sense in my head to be used the way you and pine are using it right now.

I am with Frozen here, with the caveat that the way Android dissolved makes me think it was possibly a scum driven wagon with desire to draw a claim

I don't like this post. Just do not see how point B is gotten to from point A. Also, what scum-driven wagons are not intended to draw claims, j/w? This reads like fake theorizing.

It means scum thought about what they were going to fake claim.

Scum said "wheme fake claim cop, because we have multiple masons outed already and that'd be a reason to buy you a day. At the worst you out the real protective"

Wheme fake claims, dunn highlights why we'd keep the doc in the game. Now in the context of the claim it looks terrible and awkward. So I'm having a hard time believing anyone actually believed that claim. On top of the fact DUNN HIGH LIGHTED THE DOC COULD PROTECT THE MASONS. Which is why scum fake claimed doc in particular.

Hm this makes sense
VOTE: Dunnstral

Flip on Gamma would give us more to work with in reading Dunn.

Excuse me did something happen that I need to know about? ...No? Okay then.

Active lurking during the SS wagon might make me re-evaluate SS if Gamma flipped red.

The amount of counter wagons that popped up from lalendra tells me she's scum and scum are scrambling to find a different wagon.

It's kind of obvious.

Also while Wheme was a centralized lynch, Performer was too so I don't think this analysis is super-fair

Nothing Tchill or Gamma says here makes to me personally. That Gamma agrees with Tchill's poor reasoning and then says something else that makes no sense really bothers me.

Kay

VOTE: texcat

Something about tex's tone has struck me as towny tbh

Makes 0 sense based on texcat's play.

lynching within the hood isn't town-oriented play;

why thin the hood d1 when it will become super apparent who scum is regardless of whether we lynch them

mafia will become paranoid about them having power roles apart from the hood and will try and nk them

except wavemode has literally confirmed this is not the case for him

A flip on Gamma that rolled red could give us valuable insight into wavemode, who is hard to read atm for me but also suspicious.

VOTE: Andriod18
yeah wave isn't happening today

Kinda dislike this post but not sure scummy.

Would anyone mind if golden was gone Day 2?

He's been striking me as scum so I wouldn't mind

A flip on gamma that was red could give us some insight into GR.

Honestly I'm more in the mood to vote GoldRob out of those two, PP hasn't been towny per se but GR has been scummy
VOTE: Golden Robster

UNVOTE: Actually maybe Rob has a point

This is one point where I want to say Gamma could be scumteam with GR.

(cut the long part of Hopkirk's case on KK)

Summary: Feels like he’s not actually looking to solve the game and feels kind of self-contradictory. Not engaging deeply. Not following up on stuff. Unclear reads/doesn’t really feel like he’s trying to solve. Feels especially inconsistent in regard to lurkers.

Doesn’t help that his main five pushes are the three dead townies, the IC, and a push on FL that doesn’t fit how KK interacts with other non-contributors. Also doesn’t help he ignores/defends Android/Wave (who I scumread) while pushing every other wagon that happened yesterday.

Note- decided to go through this fully and see what results I got since I noticed earlier he doesn't mention Android, defends Wave, attacks Ousuka/Performer/Ausuka.

VOTE: Kublai Khan
I think this is a good case, and think that the points brought up are valid points.

Flip on Gamma could give us some insight into KK who is also a hard null.

Also I don't like this weak sheep.

CONCLUSION

[Ircher]

Day 4 VC #8

Dunnstral (6) - JarJarDrinks (4815), Creature (4817), PenguinPower (4819), Texcat (4829), Myloninja13 (4837), Gamma Emerald (4847)

Gamma Emerald (1) - Krazy (4859)
Tchill13 (1) - Ankamius (4756)
Texcat (3) - Dunnstral (4670), Scioness Sajj (4675), TehBrawlGuy (4710)

Scioness Sajj (6) - Golden Robster (4681), Skygazer (4717), Vaxkiller (4721), Wavemode (4854), Hopkirk (4857), Tchill13 (4863)

Not Voting (1) - Kublai Khan

Lynch Threshold

During day 4, it takes 10 votes to lynch a player.

Deadline

Day 4 ends on August 2, 2018 5:30 PM EDT (GMT-4:00) or in (expired on 2018-08-02 17:30:00).

Moderator Notes

If you have consistent weekend V/LA, you must remind me every weekend, or I will prod you. Alternatively, you can set V/LA tags each weekend.
Golden Robster is V/LA until August 1.

You are expected to post at least once every 4 days.

Vaxkiller is V/LA until July 29.
If you notice any mistakes, please point them out. (That includes looking at the voting history.)

Spoiler: Current Voting History

Dunnstral: Texcat (4670)
Golden Robster: Scioness Sajj (4681)
Krazy: Texcat (4669) --> Gamma Emerald (4859)
Creature: Scioness Sajj (4665) --> Texcat (4745) --> Dunnstral (4817)
Hopkirk: Scioness Sajj (4672) --> (Null) (4848) --> Scioness Sajj (4857)
Gamma Emerald: Dunnstral (4847)
Tchill13: Scioness Sajj (4707) --> Dunnstral (4822) --> Scioness Sajj (4863)
Skygazer: Scioness Sajj (4717)
JarJarDrinks: Scioness Sajj (4674) --> Dunnstral (4815)
Ankamius: Tchill13 (4756)
Texcat: Dunnstral (4829)
TehBrawlGuy: Texcat (4710)
Vaxkiller: Scioness Sajj (4721)
Wavemode: Scioness Sajj (4854)
PenguinPower: Scioness Sajj (4713) --> Dunnstral (4819)
Myloninja13: Dunnstral (4837)
Scioness Sajj: Texcat (4675)

Spoiler: Previous Voting History

Day 3

* - Hammer vote
^ - Vote occurred after hammer

Dunnstral (2): Myloninja13 (3463) --> Texcat (4162)
Golden Robster (3): Dunnstral (3559) --> TehBrawlGuy (4208) --> Creature (4255)
Pine (0):
Krazy (3): Dunnstral (3978) --> Texcat (4161) --> Gamma Emerald (4392)
Creature (8): Texcat (3472) -->

Lalendra

(3681) --> Texcat (3744) --> Myloninja13 (4013) --> Texcat (4165) -->

Lalendra

(4213) --> Kublai Khan (4260) -->

Lalendra

(4284)
Kublai Khan (7): Creature (3511) -->

Lalendra

(4033) --> TehBrawlGuy (4184) --> Creature (4240) -->

Lalendra

(4308) --> Gamma Emerald (4416) -->

Lalendra

(4557)
Hopkirk (3):

Lalendra

(3661) --> Myloninja13 (4082) -->

Lalendra

(4339)
Gamma Emerald (3):

Lalendra

(3913) --> (Null) (3954) --> Myloninja13 (4073)

Ausuka

(4): Myloninja13 (3640) -->

Lalendra

(3677) --> Myloninja13 (4010) -->

Lalendra

(4286)

Lalendra

(3): TehBrawlGuy (3719) --> Myloninja13 (4130) --> Creature (4384)
Tchill13 (3):

Lalendra

(3690) --> Myloninja13 (4082) -->

Lalendra

(4215)
Frozen Angel (0):
Skygazer (1):

Lalendra

(4564)
JarJarDrinks (5): Creature (3616) --> (Null) (3694) -->

Lalendra

(3695) --> Dunnstral (3704) -->

Lalendra

(3721)
Ankamius (3):

Lalendra

(3801) --> (Null) (4044) --> Creature (4239)
Texcat (1): Myloninja13 (3637)
TehBrawlGuy (4): JarJarDrinks (3466) --> Texcat (3790) --> Creature (4245) --> Gamma Emerald (4421)
Vaxkiller (3): Kublai Khan (4004) --> Myloninja13 (4214) -->

Lalendra

(4220)
Wavemode (2): TehBrawlGuy (3468) -->

Lalendra

(3716) --> _{Ankamius (4600^)}
PenguinPower (3): Texcat (3473) --> Myloninja13 (3643) -->

Lalendra

(3678)
Myloninja13 (2): Dunnstral (3765) --> Creature (4252)
Scioness Sajj (3): Texcat (3756) --> Creature (4338) -->

Lalendra

(4577*)

Day 2

Note: * - Hammer Vote

Dunnstral (4): Myloninja13 (1942) --> JarJarDrinks (2206) --> PenguinPower (3242) --> TehBrawlGuy (3248)
Golden Robster (17): Hopkirk (2078) --> (Null) (2096) --> PenguinPower (2112) --> Scioness Sajj (2152) --> Vaxkiller (2171) --> (Null) (2288) --> Creature (2299) -->

WhemeStar

(2304) --> Wavemode (2367) --> Scioness Sajj (2432) --> TehBrawlGuy (2526) -->

Flavor Leaf

(2642) --> (Null) (2783) --> PenguinPower (2979) -->

WhemeStar

(3099) --> (Null) (3284) -->

WhemeStar

(3286)
Pine (1): Andriod18 (1936)
Creature (3): Myloninja13 (1941) --> PenguinPower (2835) -->

WhemeStar

(3453*)
Kublai Khan (5):

Flavor Leaf

(1944) --> (Null) (2366) --> Vaxkiller (2423) --> PenguinPower (2899) -->

WhemeStar

(3027)

WhemeStar

(4): Vaxkiller (2245) --> JarJarDrinks (2301) -->

Flavor Leaf

(2542) --> PenguinPower (2930)
Hopkirk (5): Andriod18 (2197) --> Kublai Khan (2346) --> (Null) (2781) ==> (Null) (2782) -->

WhemeStar

(3008)
Gamma Emerald (5): Kublai Khan (2488) --> Golden Robster (2839) --> (Null) (2867) --> PenguinPower (2990) -->

WhemeStar

(3318)

Ausuka

(7): PenguinPower (1960) --> Myloninja13 (2434) -->

Flavor Leaf

(2504) --> (Null) (2573) --> Myloninja13 (2574) --> TehBrawlGuy (3023) -->

WhemeStar

(3293)

Lalendra

(7): Vaxkiller (2184) --> JarJarDrinks (2334) --> Andriod18 (2503) -->

Flavor Leaf

(2657) --> (Null) (2705) --> PenguinPower (2809) -->

WhemeStar

(3097)
EspeciallyTheLies (1): PenguinPower (1996)
JarJarDrinks (10): Andriod18 (1945) --> EspeciallyTheLies (2041) --> (Null) (2066) --> Andriod18 (2192) -->

Flavor Leaf

(2327) --> (Null) (2612) -->

Flavor Leaf

(2640) --> (Null) (2755) --> Andriod18 (2943) -->

WhemeStar

(3030)
Andriod18 (2): JarJarDrinks (2116) --> Kublai Khan (2533)
Texcat (2): ArcAngel9 (1987) --> Myloninja13 (2552)
ArcAngel9 (1): Texcat (2072)
TehBrawlGuy (7): (Null) (2535) --> Wavemode (2690) -->

WhemeStar

(3062) --> (Null) (3118) -->

WhemeStar

(3165) --> (Null) (3196) -->

WhemeStar

(3233)
Vaxkiller (5):

WhemeStar

(2343) --> Myloninja13 (2472) --> PenguinPower (3012) -->

WhemeStar

(3112) --> PenguinPower (3290)
Wavemode (6): Texcat (2044) --> Andriod18 (2331) -->

Flavor Leaf

(2635) --> (Null) (2800) -->

WhemeStar

(2966) ==>

WhemeStar

(3115)
PenguinPower (7): Myloninja13 (1947) --> Kublai Khan (2572) -->

Flavor Leaf

(2709) --> Myloninja13 (2759) --> Golden Robster (2775) --> (Null) (2894) -->

WhemeStar

(2962)
Myloninja13 (1): PenguinPower (2437)
Scioness Sajj (3): Andriod18 (2904) -->

WhemeStar

(3034) --> PenguinPower (3255)

Flavor Leaf

(5): JarJarDrinks (2205) --> Kublai Khan (2499) --> PenguinPower (2715) --> Golden Robster (2774) -->

WhemeStar

(2958)

Day 1

Note: * = Hammer Vote

Note: ^ = Vote after hammer vote.

Dunnstral (5):

Osuka

(77) --> Texcat (1388) -->

Lalendra

(1623) -->

Osuka

(1758) -->

Performer

(1782)

Srceenplay

(0): (Null)

Performer

(5):

Osuka

(623) --> TheRampage (909) --> Wavemode (1051) --> Andriod18 (1765) -->

Performer

(1849)*

Joral

(0): (Null)

Almost50

(8): Hopkirk (97) --> Edosurist (226) -->

Osuka

(390) -->

Ausuka

(1205) --> (Null) (1304) --> Vaxkiller (1352) --> (Null) (1380) --> Andriod18 (1460)
Fumuki (0): (Null)
Golden Robster (13):

Almost50

(177) --> Wavemode (183) -->

Osuka

(236) -->

Ausuka (317)

--> JarJarDrinks (319) --> (Null) (546) --> Vaxkiller (602) --> (Null) (1504) --> Wavemode (1588) --> (Null) (1589) --> ArcAngel9 (1770) --> Andriod18 (1784) --> (Null) (1798)
Pine (2):

Osuka

(176) --> Andriod18 (1835)
Creature (6):

Performer

(385) --> Myloninja13 (720) --> TheRampage (813) -->

Performer

(898) --> Andriod18 (1449) -->

Performer

(1846)
Kublai Khan (6):

Osuka

(76) -->

Almost50

(122) --> Scioness Sajj (388) --> JarJarDrinks (536) -->

Osuka

(725) -->

Performer

(957)

WhemeStar

(3):

Lalendra

(234) --> JarJarDrinks (797) -->

Flavor Leaf

(955)
Hopkirk (9):

Osuka

(90) -->

Lalendra

(279) -->

Osuka

(696) --> (Null) (993) --> Wavemode (999) -->

Performer

(1273) --> (Null) (1315) -->

Performer

(1458) --> Andriod18 (1679)
Edosurist (2): Texcat (84) -->

Almost50

(222)
Gamma Emerald (3): Vaxkiller (710) --> Wavemode (1107) --> Andriod18 (1711) --> _{(Null) (1889)^}

Ausuka

(9): JarJarDrinks (89) --> Creature (104) --> Myloninja13 (429) --> (Null) (742) --> TheRampage (743) --> Wavemode (998) -->

Performer

(1604) -->

Lalendra

(1624) --> Andriod18 (1680)

Lalendra

(3):

Almost50

(209) --> (Null) (559) -->

Performer

(1229)
EspeciallyTheLies (2):

Almost50

(83) -->

Performer

(515)
Lovebird (1): Edosurist (259)
Davesaz (1): Wavemode (1014)
Frozen Angel (3):

Performer

(1579) --> (Null) (1606) -->

Performer

(1814)
JarJarDrinks (8):

Osuka

(85) -->

Almost50

(114) --> Charles510 (186) --> Edosurist (231) -->

Osuka

(535) -->

Ausuka

(842) --> Wavemode (1112) --> Andriod18 (1410)

Osuka

(10): Wavemode (80) --> JarJarDrinks (124) --> ArcAngel9 (229) --> Pine (332) --> JarJarDrinks (353) -->

Performer

(769) --> TheRampage (771) -->

Performer

(1047) --> Vaxkiller (1359) -->

Performer

(1384)
Texcat (4):

Osuka

(79) --> Wavemode (1080) -->

Osuka

(1703) --> Andriod18 (1777)
Andriod18 (4): Kublai Khan (190) --> Lovebird (290) --> JarJarDrinks (855) -->

Performer

(1796)
ArcAngel9 (4): Texcat (81) --> TheRampage (223) --> Texcat (604) -->

Performer

(1397)
Charles510 (2): JarJarDrinks (87) --> (Null) (310)
Vaxkiller (8): JarJarDrinks (363) --> Scioness Sajj (389) --> Andriod18 (437) --> JarJarDrinks (532) --> Golden Robster (678) --> Wavemode (1078) --> TheRampage (1085) -->

Performer

(1116)
Wavemode (5): Texcat (82) --> Charles510 (131) --> (Null) (838) -->

Osuka

(867) -->

Performer

(1108)
TheRampage (3): Creature (100) --> (Null) (509) -->

Osuka

(681)
PenguinPower (1):

Performer

(1774)
Myloninja13 (4): Edosurist (233) --> JarJarDrinks (326) -->

Performer

(1554) --> Andriod18 (1787)
Scioness Sajj (4):

Ausuka

(406) --> (Null) (1325) -->

Performer

(1552) --> Andriod18 (1760)

Flavor Leaf

(1): Andriod18 (1772)

Pre-Game

Dunnstral (2): Texcat (9) --> Pine (43)

Srceenplay

(1): Andriod18 (62)
Pine (1):

Osuka

(16)
Kublai Khan (1): Pine (34)
Hopkirk (1):

Osuka

(66)
Edosurist (1): Pine (42)

Osuka

(2): Pine (28) --> Wavemode (33)
Texcat (1): Pine (44)
Wavemode (1):

Osuka

(31)

[TehBrawlGuy]

Krazy, you realize I've followed you on exactly one vote this game, right? That was the deadline scramble on Gamma. I don't count Tex today because you followed

me

onto Tex D3, she was who I was on the majority of D3, and you happened to post here first today before I could re-vote her.

On another note, Dunnwagon is abysmal and he's Town. Probably one of my strongest TRs, actually.

Can you go over why this is town Dunn?

OTOH, him not wanting to lynch Wheme on policy grounds after seeing me get raked for unvoting Wheme on policy grounds is very indicative of town!dunn. If he's Scum, he can just kill Wheme or wait the phase out, but actively coming in to take fire defending Wheme is dumb. I liked the way he responded to me after I questioned his vote on me as well.

I've found myself agreeing with him a lot over the last few days too - his view of the gamestate mirrors mine fairly well and I feel like I can follow his progression.

[JarJarDrinks]

Flip on Gamma would give us more to work with in reading Dunn.

Or we can just flip dunn. Dont like u selling a gamma lynch as informational.

Rest if the case was actually ok but there's scummier people than gamma rn.

[TehBrawlGuy]

Also, how do you feel about Scion?

I think that the wagon in a vacuum has merit, but the people pushing it and the fact that it was running against Tex gives me a bad feeling. It's very similar to how I felt about Lala. I'd rather see a lynch elsewhere, although if it ends up being her v Dunn or someone else I TR, I at least don't

hate

her wagon.

[Krazy]

Flip on Gamma would give us more to work with in reading Dunn.

Or we can just flip dunn. Dont like u selling a gamma lynch as informational.

Rest if the case was actually ok but there's scummier people than gamma rn.

I'm more thinking the VALUE of a Gamma lynch vs. Lalendra/Mylo/policy Lurker.

I'm also not like dead set against a Dunn flip, but I don't think a red Dunn tells us as much as a red Gamma.

We're talking about the VALUE of a lynch. A Gamma lynch gives us like THREE HUNDRED MEGABYTES of associative tell data. That's THREE HUNDRED MEGABYTES.

Think of that. THE VALUE. And the USAGE. Of a Gamma flip.

Ugh. What can that do for you? The skies the limit. The skies the limit.

It's as if you have three hundred file cabinets of scum data. Three hundred file cabinets.

The biggest arena of flips today, is in Gamma flips. It's the biggest growing sector. And it's not going to stop. It's not a fad. It's tomorrow, today.

This comes with the associative tells built in.

THREE. HUNDRED. MEGABYTES.

[Ankamius]

I think krazy is my new favorite person

[Kublai Khan]

I'm still here. Just been a little busy with life lately. I've skimmed and seen a lot of my scum-reads wagoned a bit and I'm happy. But I'm not really mentally engaged at the moment. I'll have time to do something Sunday night.

[Ircher]

bump