Newbie 1881 - Game Over

OkaPoka · Post Post #1750 (ISO) » Sat Jul 28, 2018 7:07 pm

Literally only nancy is saying that.

Not even quick believes that.

Formerfish · Post Post #1751 (ISO) » Sat Jul 28, 2018 7:08 pm

Listen Oka, you do what you feel you have to do. Know this though, be prepared with a backup plan, because when push comes to shove you are going to need it.

OkaPoka · Post Post #1752 (ISO) » Sat Jul 28, 2018 7:08 pm

WHY ARE YOU PLAYING LIKE THIS FISH.

WHY

Formerfish · Post Post #1753 (ISO) » Sat Jul 28, 2018 7:09 pm

In post 1750, OkaPoka wrote:Literally only nancy is saying that.

Not even quick believes that.

Quick thinks that I am being toxic towards him. Nancy thinks we both are to a certain degree. Thats not the main fucking point here, but shit, lets fucking get stuck on that and derail what Im trying to get across to you which is obviously a high level thought with how much difficulty you are having with it.

Oka, shut the fuck up man.

Quick · Post Post #1754 (ISO) » Sat Jul 28, 2018 7:10 pm

In post 1740, Formerfish wrote:
In post 1735, Quick wrote:
In post 1732, Formerfish wrote:
In post 1665, Quick wrote:
In post 1641, Formerfish wrote:@nancy- i like iceman for town, and you.

I feel like Sky could be scum just based off her reads list, but only for the slightest and most convoluted reason, so it doesnt even really play yet.

I think that Quick is scum and has been trying to play up the AtE and sympathy angles when it comes to me. Says hes trying to re-evaluate me, but doesnt really want to interact with me.

Eragon could be but that would mean that im definitely seeing a town!Oka which im just not 100% on board with yet.

So I guess I'm here

VOTE: Quick
Not really sure what gives you the indication that I am avoiding you when you've made like... how many posts between thinking I should be interacting with you and when I said I was trying to reevaluate you? It's almost as if you are trying to operate under some pre-cognition of what I am going to do or something, which I don't really like.
I guess its more so the fact that I have mentioned a few times now that me defending you to nancy when she was saying you were being abusive is very contrary to what you are trying to push, that I was trying to manipulate you through that entire thing. If I were doing what you think I was wouldnt it make more sense for me as scum to let her really dig into you and let you spiral out of control? Why would I stop that from happening if that was my endgame in your opinion?
That's NAI.
So you think that as scum I would step in and stop you and nancy from going at it for .... what reason? Its not like i was trying to pocket you, ive been continuously calling you scum.

Why should I give you credit for calling a spade a spade?

OkaPoka · Post Post #1755 (ISO) » Sat Jul 28, 2018 7:12 pm

Lets talk mr fish

Other than Quick, who are you scumreading and why? Give me some concrete reasons please.

Formerfish · Post Post #1756 (ISO) » Sat Jul 28, 2018 7:12 pm

In post 1741, Formerfish wrote:Am I allowing you to run around with your head cut off? I dont know, is that something that is dependent on me? Like nancy has already told you to calm the fuck down, do you need me to say it to you as well? Maybe i just dont give a shit about your reads right now but i can see where they would come from town. I know your judgement is clouded because you cant read me correctly, how much faith am I going to put into the rest of your reads?

Thats to OKa again.

ANd to you quick because as scum I could have let that run its course without stepping in to stop it before it became a thing. You were on the edge and about to fall off it when nancy said she was reporting you. Why as scum do I pull you off that ledge by defending you? I dont. It simply doesnt happen. As scum I am going to let nancy be the one to push you over because then she will take the heat when you flipped town.

Formerfish · Post Post #1757 (ISO) » Sat Jul 28, 2018 7:13 pm

My 3 are you, quick, and eragon.

I dont have anything put together right now to show why, and with it being 2 am im not doing that right now.

OkaPoka · Post Post #1758 (ISO) » Sat Jul 28, 2018 7:14 pm

I'll wait.

Formerfish · Post Post #1759 (ISO) » Sat Jul 28, 2018 7:14 pm

You were more town than the other two, and eragon more so than quick.

This inane push you are making on me is having me seriously reconsider you though.

OkaPoka · Post Post #1760 (ISO) » Sat Jul 28, 2018 7:15 pm

Hopefully by tomorrow we can get some more voices in this game with some more opinions and solid cases written up otherwise im going to flip a coin and tunnel someone to death.

Formerfish · Post Post #1761 (ISO) » Sat Jul 28, 2018 7:17 pm

And im not looking for credit quick, i am looking for you to take an actual look at the motivation i would have to do that as town vs. as scum. Which one makes more sense to come from? You say you are looking to re-evaluate me but it doesnt look like you are doing much of that at all.

Oka, you could just follow me onto quick since we have more time today and that was your reasoning for it not being viable day 1.

OkaPoka · Post Post #1762 (ISO) » Sat Jul 28, 2018 7:19 pm

Can you and quick just do a 1v1 based on substantial evidence? tyvm

im not going to follow you onto quick because im not convinced quick is scum and im not convinced you are town. fill one of those requirements and ill gladly oblige.

Quick · Post Post #1763 (ISO) » Sat Jul 28, 2018 7:23 pm

In post 1761, Formerfish wrote:And im not looking for credit quick, i am looking for you to take an actual look at the motivation i would have to do that as town vs. as scum. Which one makes more sense to come from? You say you are looking to re-evaluate me but it doesnt look like you are doing much of that at all.

Oka, you could just follow me onto quick since we have more time today and that was your reasoning for it not being viable day 1.

You are expecting me to TR you for saying something that is objectively true. Say that out loud to yourself. I'm not even saying it's Scummy I'm saying it's NAI.

Formerfish · Post Post #1764 (ISO) » Sat Jul 28, 2018 7:26 pm

Quick. Read this very carefully.

As scum I would have more reason to stay out of nancys way when she started in on you. As scum I would have sat on the sideline of that with a tub of popcorn and watched you swan dive off the high board into an empty pool.

I feel like to matter what happens today you guys arent going to even pretend to look other places.

Should I just claim here so we can all be on our merry ways?

Quick · Post Post #1765 (ISO) » Sat Jul 28, 2018 7:31 pm

In post 1764, Formerfish wrote:Quick. Read this very carefully.

As scum I would have more reason to stay out of nancys way when she started in on you. As scum I would have sat on the sideline of that with a tub of popcorn and watched you swan dive off the high board into an empty pool.

I feel like to matter what happens today you guys arent going to even pretend to look other places.

Should I just claim here so we can all be on our merry ways?

Well, that would assume you wouldn't care about being TR as Scum. I do that kind of thing all the time as Scum, why wouldn't you do that? I mean basically, saying true things as Scum is one of the best ways to get TR.

Quick · Post Post #1766 (ISO) » Sat Jul 28, 2018 7:32 pm

So IMO there is just as much Scum motive for saying true things to look like you are being "helpful" as Scum as there is about being truthful as Town.

Besides, did you read like, at all change on me? What's your explicit Town motivation to pointing that out?

Formerfish · Post Post #1767 (ISO) » Sat Jul 28, 2018 7:37 pm

Town motivation: Stopping the state of the game from devolving into something that wasnt going to be productive in the least.

Scum motivation: Not saying anything so that you (As town in this scenario since this is from your point of view of me) blow the thread up and burn the entire thing down. It was like I had doused you in gas and nancy just happened to light a match and throw it on the ground next to you. I saw it and stepped on it before it could light you aflame.

But you think I just did it for town cred, ok.

Quick · Post Post #1768 (ISO) » Sat Jul 28, 2018 7:42 pm

In post 1767, Formerfish wrote:But you think I just did it for town cred, ok.

I didn't say that, don't put words in my mouth.

Formerfish · Post Post #1769 (ISO) » Sat Jul 28, 2018 7:46 pm

In post 1765, Quick wrote:saying true things as Scum is one of the best ways to get TR.

Did i paraphrase this wrong?

Quick · Post Post #1770 (ISO) » Sat Jul 28, 2018 8:07 pm

In post 1769, Formerfish wrote:
In post 1765, Quick wrote:saying true things as Scum is one of the best ways to get TR.
Did i paraphrase this wrong?

OMG stop.

Formerfish · Post Post #1771 (ISO) » Sat Jul 28, 2018 8:21 pm

Im not sure how thats an answer to a reasonable question. That is a quote from you. You think im scum. Those arent hard pieces to put together there quick.

nancy · Post Post #1772 (ISO) » Sat Jul 28, 2018 8:54 pm

FF could you talk about iceman/wm/sky when you get a chance tomorrow? Could use a sanity check on my town reads there

Quick · Post Post #1773 (ISO) » Sat Jul 28, 2018 8:56 pm

In post 1771, Formerfish wrote:Im not sure how thats an answer to a reasonable question. That is a quote from you. You think im scum. Those arent hard pieces to put together there quick.

I provided a counterexample of how it could be interpreted as something Scummy. I didn't actually disagree with what you said about the Town motivation, I just provided a counterexample of how it could be interpreted as Scummy, hence, it's NAI.

nancy · Post Post #1774 (ISO) » Sat Jul 28, 2018 9:03 pm

Also Oka may be insane yes but the kid's town, I'll try to write up words on my read there for you when I get a laptop if you need but there's just no way mafia is ever this ever present and free flowing, he's made more a more sense process-wise as the game has progressed and yeah his tunnels are atrocious but they're not scum flavored, he'd have to be a genius to be playing on this level as mafia (he's not).