NY 213 - Game Over!

[Scioness Sajj]

I think scion is pretty scummy to be honest; a combination of poe, hammer on town and then a string of posts about how he was unsure about lalendra followed by potential hammer sitting

you have been scumreading me from d1 and all you have to say is that i have hammered my townread?

do you want me to case you?

also creature switched wagon so getting good vibes from this

sure

[Scioness Sajj]

Liking my vote for non-sheeping reasons upon reread.

Is anyone still scumreading mylo? Because the discussion on that sort of stalled out mid-D3

would you share those reasons? also on dunn, tex and tbg since you don't like them either.

[Scioness Sajj]

Gamma I might need to reread. Tex I'm fairly happy on.

I feel like bussing scum wouldn't leave the Scion wagon here. It also grew a lot quicker than a lot of other wagons. Want to compare it to Vax/Rob's other votes/wagoning.

what makes you happy about texcat

very serious question

please answer thank you

[Tchill13]

I really don't understand the mylo push because he's a lurker and I've failed to see any substance from the texcat pushers.

Seems like ppl continue to push him so they don't have to make any more stances.

[Scioness Sajj]

by him you mean tex or mylo?
does 'i've failed to see any substance from the texcat pushers' mean that you don't remember the post or you think they are bad

[Scioness Sajj]

It means scum thought about what they were going to fake claim.

Scum said "wheme fake claim cop, because we have multiple masons outed already and that'd be a reason to buy you a day. At the worst you out the real protective"

no clue why you think that scum has fake claims ready.

[Scioness Sajj]

It means scum thought about what they were going to fake claim.

Scum said "wheme fake claim cop, because we have multiple masons outed already and that'd be a reason to buy you a day. At the worst you out the real protective"

Wheme fake claims, dunn highlights why we'd keep the doc in the game. Now in the context of the claim it looks terrible and awkward. So I'm having a hard time believing anyone actually believed that claim. On top of the fact DUNN HIGH LIGHTED THE DOC COULD PROTECT THE MASONS. Which is why scum fake claimed doc in particular.

Hm this makes sense
VOTE: Dunnstral

i don't like dunn wagon anymore

[Scioness Sajj]

VOTE: Scioness Sajj

reasons?
any reads?

[Ankamius]

Sajj is probably town thanks to that amazing avatar

[Scioness Sajj]

the problem with me doing this is that

most of it will be ignored lol

[Scioness Sajj]

@anka, you should enjoy this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLwML2PagbY

[Scioness Sajj]

I kind of feel like just ignoring everyone on the Wheme wagon for now.

I could go for Vax.

don't think vax is scum based on wheme's iso

[Scioness Sajj]

Krazy, you realize I've followed you on exactly one vote this game, right? That was the deadline scramble on Gamma. I don't count Tex today because you followed

me

onto Tex D3, she was who I was on the majority of D3, and you happened to post here first today before I could re-vote her.

On another note, Dunnwagon is abysmal and he's Town. Probably one of my strongest TRs, actually.

Can you go over why this is town Dunn?

OTOH, him not wanting to lynch Wheme on policy grounds after seeing me get raked for unvoting Wheme on policy grounds is very indicative of town!dunn. If he's Scum, he can just kill Wheme or wait the phase out, but actively coming in to take fire defending Wheme is dumb. I liked the way he responded to me after I questioned his vote on me as well.

I've found myself agreeing with him a lot over the last few days too - his view of the gamestate mirrors mine fairly well and I feel like I can follow his progression.

umm okay but scum!dunn would know wheme is scum?

[TehBrawlGuy]

Krazy, you realize I've followed you on exactly one vote this game, right? That was the deadline scramble on Gamma. I don't count Tex today because you followed

me

onto Tex D3, she was who I was on the majority of D3, and you happened to post here first today before I could re-vote her.

On another note, Dunnwagon is abysmal and he's Town. Probably one of my strongest TRs, actually.

Can you go over why this is town Dunn?

OTOH, him not wanting to lynch Wheme on policy grounds after seeing me get raked for unvoting Wheme on policy grounds is very indicative of town!dunn. If he's Scum, he can just kill Wheme or wait the phase out, but actively coming in to take fire defending Wheme is dumb. I liked the way he responded to me after I questioned his vote on me as well.

I've found myself agreeing with him a lot over the last few days too - his view of the gamestate mirrors mine fairly well and I feel like I can follow his progression.

umm okay but scum!dunn would know wheme is scum?

which is all the more reason scum!dunn would be aware how much flak he would take for the policy defense of his buddy wheme, no?

[Tchill13]

It means scum thought about what they were going to fake claim.

Scum said "wheme fake claim cop, because we have multiple masons outed already and that'd be a reason to buy you a day. At the worst you out the real protective"

no clue why you think that scum has fake claims ready.

Wheme fake claimed doc.

[Tchill13]

It means scum thought about what they were going to fake claim.

Scum said "wheme fake claim cop, because we have multiple masons outed already and that'd be a reason to buy you a day. At the worst you out the real protective"

Wheme fake claims, dunn highlights why we'd keep the doc in the game. Now in the context of the claim it looks terrible and awkward. So I'm having a hard time believing anyone actually believed that claim. On top of the fact DUNN HIGH LIGHTED THE DOC COULD PROTECT THE MASONS. Which is why scum fake claimed doc in particular.

Hm this makes sense
VOTE: Dunnstral

i don't like dunn wagon anymore

Why? Because you SR gamma? You realize that could be gamma scum! Bussing off of someone else's logic?

[Ircher]

Day 4 VC #9

Dunnstral (6) - JarJarDrinks (4815), Creature (4817), PenguinPower (4819), Texcat (4829), Myloninja13 (4837), Gamma Emerald (4847)

Gamma Emerald (1) - Krazy (4859)
Tchill13 (1) - Ankamius (4756)
Texcat (2) - Dunnstral (4670), TehBrawlGuy (4710)

Scioness Sajj (5) - Golden Robster (4681), Vaxkiller (4721), Wavemode (4854), Hopkirk (4857), Tchill13 (4863)

Not Voting (3) - Kublai Khan, Skygazer (4894), Scioness Sajj (4895)

Lynch Threshold

During day 4, it takes 10 votes to lynch a player.

Deadline

Day 4 ends on August 2, 2018 5:30 PM EDT (GMT-4:00) or in (expired on 2018-08-02 17:30:00).

Moderator Notes

If you have consistent weekend V/LA, you must remind me every weekend, or I will prod you. Alternatively, you can set V/LA tags each weekend.
Golden Robster is V/LA until August 1.

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If you notice any mistakes, please point them out. (That includes looking at the voting history.)

Spoiler: Current Voting History

Dunnstral: Texcat (4670)
Golden Robster: Scioness Sajj (4681)
Krazy: Texcat (4669) --> Gamma Emerald (4859)
Creature: Scioness Sajj (4665) --> Texcat (4745) --> Dunnstral (4817)
Hopkirk: Scioness Sajj (4672) --> (Null) (4848) --> Scioness Sajj (4857)
Gamma Emerald: Dunnstral (4847)
Tchill13: Scioness Sajj (4707) --> Dunnstral (4822) --> Scioness Sajj (4863)
Skygazer: Scioness Sajj (4717) --> Texcat (4888) --> (Null) (4894)
JarJarDrinks: Scioness Sajj (4674) --> Dunnstral (4815)
Ankamius: Tchill13 (4756)
Texcat: Dunnstral (4829)
TehBrawlGuy: Texcat (4710)
Vaxkiller: Scioness Sajj (4721)
Wavemode: Scioness Sajj (4854)
PenguinPower: Scioness Sajj (4713) --> Dunnstral (4819)
Myloninja13: Dunnstral (4837)
Scioness Sajj: Texcat (4675) --> (Null) (4895)

Spoiler: Previous Voting History

Day 3

* - Hammer vote
^ - Vote occurred after hammer

Dunnstral (2): Myloninja13 (3463) --> Texcat (4162)
Golden Robster (3): Dunnstral (3559) --> TehBrawlGuy (4208) --> Creature (4255)
Pine (0):
Krazy (3): Dunnstral (3978) --> Texcat (4161) --> Gamma Emerald (4392)
Creature (8): Texcat (3472) -->

Lalendra

(3681) --> Texcat (3744) --> Myloninja13 (4013) --> Texcat (4165) -->

Lalendra

(4213) --> Kublai Khan (4260) -->

Lalendra

(4284)
Kublai Khan (7): Creature (3511) -->

Lalendra

(4033) --> TehBrawlGuy (4184) --> Creature (4240) -->

Lalendra

(4308) --> Gamma Emerald (4416) -->

Lalendra

(4557)
Hopkirk (3):

Lalendra

(3661) --> Myloninja13 (4082) -->

Lalendra

(4339)
Gamma Emerald (3):

Lalendra

(3913) --> (Null) (3954) --> Myloninja13 (4073)

Ausuka

(4): Myloninja13 (3640) -->

Lalendra

(3677) --> Myloninja13 (4010) -->

Lalendra

(4286)

Lalendra

(3): TehBrawlGuy (3719) --> Myloninja13 (4130) --> Creature (4384)
Tchill13 (3):

Lalendra

(3690) --> Myloninja13 (4082) -->

Lalendra

(4215)
Frozen Angel (0):
Skygazer (1):

Lalendra

(4564)
JarJarDrinks (5): Creature (3616) --> (Null) (3694) -->

Lalendra

(3695) --> Dunnstral (3704) -->

Lalendra

(3721)
Ankamius (3):

Lalendra

(3801) --> (Null) (4044) --> Creature (4239)
Texcat (1): Myloninja13 (3637)
TehBrawlGuy (4): JarJarDrinks (3466) --> Texcat (3790) --> Creature (4245) --> Gamma Emerald (4421)
Vaxkiller (3): Kublai Khan (4004) --> Myloninja13 (4214) -->

Lalendra

(4220)
Wavemode (2): TehBrawlGuy (3468) -->

Lalendra

(3716) --> _{Ankamius (4600^)}
PenguinPower (3): Texcat (3473) --> Myloninja13 (3643) -->

Lalendra

(3678)
Myloninja13 (2): Dunnstral (3765) --> Creature (4252)
Scioness Sajj (3): Texcat (3756) --> Creature (4338) -->

Lalendra

(4577*)

Day 2

Note: * - Hammer Vote

Dunnstral (4): Myloninja13 (1942) --> JarJarDrinks (2206) --> PenguinPower (3242) --> TehBrawlGuy (3248)
Golden Robster (17): Hopkirk (2078) --> (Null) (2096) --> PenguinPower (2112) --> Scioness Sajj (2152) --> Vaxkiller (2171) --> (Null) (2288) --> Creature (2299) -->

WhemeStar

(2304) --> Wavemode (2367) --> Scioness Sajj (2432) --> TehBrawlGuy (2526) -->

Flavor Leaf

(2642) --> (Null) (2783) --> PenguinPower (2979) -->

WhemeStar

(3099) --> (Null) (3284) -->

WhemeStar

(3286)
Pine (1): Andriod18 (1936)
Creature (3): Myloninja13 (1941) --> PenguinPower (2835) -->

WhemeStar

(3453*)
Kublai Khan (5):

Flavor Leaf

(1944) --> (Null) (2366) --> Vaxkiller (2423) --> PenguinPower (2899) -->

WhemeStar

(3027)

WhemeStar

(4): Vaxkiller (2245) --> JarJarDrinks (2301) -->

Flavor Leaf

(2542) --> PenguinPower (2930)
Hopkirk (5): Andriod18 (2197) --> Kublai Khan (2346) --> (Null) (2781) ==> (Null) (2782) -->

WhemeStar

(3008)
Gamma Emerald (5): Kublai Khan (2488) --> Golden Robster (2839) --> (Null) (2867) --> PenguinPower (2990) -->

WhemeStar

(3318)

Ausuka

(7): PenguinPower (1960) --> Myloninja13 (2434) -->

Flavor Leaf

(2504) --> (Null) (2573) --> Myloninja13 (2574) --> TehBrawlGuy (3023) -->

WhemeStar

(3293)

Lalendra

(7): Vaxkiller (2184) --> JarJarDrinks (2334) --> Andriod18 (2503) -->

Flavor Leaf

(2657) --> (Null) (2705) --> PenguinPower (2809) -->

WhemeStar

(3097)
EspeciallyTheLies (1): PenguinPower (1996)
JarJarDrinks (10): Andriod18 (1945) --> EspeciallyTheLies (2041) --> (Null) (2066) --> Andriod18 (2192) -->

Flavor Leaf

(2327) --> (Null) (2612) -->

Flavor Leaf

(2640) --> (Null) (2755) --> Andriod18 (2943) -->

WhemeStar

(3030)
Andriod18 (2): JarJarDrinks (2116) --> Kublai Khan (2533)
Texcat (2): ArcAngel9 (1987) --> Myloninja13 (2552)
ArcAngel9 (1): Texcat (2072)
TehBrawlGuy (7): (Null) (2535) --> Wavemode (2690) -->

WhemeStar

(3062) --> (Null) (3118) -->

WhemeStar

(3165) --> (Null) (3196) -->

WhemeStar

(3233)
Vaxkiller (5):

WhemeStar

(2343) --> Myloninja13 (2472) --> PenguinPower (3012) -->

WhemeStar

(3112) --> PenguinPower (3290)
Wavemode (6): Texcat (2044) --> Andriod18 (2331) -->

Flavor Leaf

(2635) --> (Null) (2800) -->

WhemeStar

(2966) ==>

WhemeStar

(3115)
PenguinPower (7): Myloninja13 (1947) --> Kublai Khan (2572) -->

Flavor Leaf

(2709) --> Myloninja13 (2759) --> Golden Robster (2775) --> (Null) (2894) -->

WhemeStar

(2962)
Myloninja13 (1): PenguinPower (2437)
Scioness Sajj (3): Andriod18 (2904) -->

WhemeStar

(3034) --> PenguinPower (3255)

Flavor Leaf

(5): JarJarDrinks (2205) --> Kublai Khan (2499) --> PenguinPower (2715) --> Golden Robster (2774) -->

WhemeStar

(2958)

Day 1

Note: * = Hammer Vote

Note: ^ = Vote after hammer vote.

Dunnstral (5):

Osuka

(77) --> Texcat (1388) -->

Lalendra

(1623) -->

Osuka

(1758) -->

Performer

(1782)

Srceenplay

(0): (Null)

Performer

(5):

Osuka

(623) --> TheRampage (909) --> Wavemode (1051) --> Andriod18 (1765) -->

Performer

(1849)*

Joral

(0): (Null)

Almost50

(8): Hopkirk (97) --> Edosurist (226) -->

Osuka

(390) -->

Ausuka

(1205) --> (Null) (1304) --> Vaxkiller (1352) --> (Null) (1380) --> Andriod18 (1460)
Fumuki (0): (Null)
Golden Robster (13):

Almost50

(177) --> Wavemode (183) -->

Osuka

(236) -->

Ausuka (317)

--> JarJarDrinks (319) --> (Null) (546) --> Vaxkiller (602) --> (Null) (1504) --> Wavemode (1588) --> (Null) (1589) --> ArcAngel9 (1770) --> Andriod18 (1784) --> (Null) (1798)
Pine (2):

Osuka

(176) --> Andriod18 (1835)
Creature (6):

Performer

(385) --> Myloninja13 (720) --> TheRampage (813) -->

Performer

(898) --> Andriod18 (1449) -->

Performer

(1846)
Kublai Khan (6):

Osuka

(76) -->

Almost50

(122) --> Scioness Sajj (388) --> JarJarDrinks (536) -->

Osuka

(725) -->

Performer

(957)

WhemeStar

(3):

Lalendra

(234) --> JarJarDrinks (797) -->

Flavor Leaf

(955)
Hopkirk (9):

Osuka

(90) -->

Lalendra

(279) -->

Osuka

(696) --> (Null) (993) --> Wavemode (999) -->

Performer

(1273) --> (Null) (1315) -->

Performer

(1458) --> Andriod18 (1679)
Edosurist (2): Texcat (84) -->

Almost50

(222)
Gamma Emerald (3): Vaxkiller (710) --> Wavemode (1107) --> Andriod18 (1711) --> _{(Null) (1889)^}

Ausuka

(9): JarJarDrinks (89) --> Creature (104) --> Myloninja13 (429) --> (Null) (742) --> TheRampage (743) --> Wavemode (998) -->

Performer

(1604) -->

Lalendra

(1624) --> Andriod18 (1680)

Lalendra

(3):

Almost50

(209) --> (Null) (559) -->

Performer

(1229)
EspeciallyTheLies (2):

Almost50

(83) -->

Performer

(515)
Lovebird (1): Edosurist (259)
Davesaz (1): Wavemode (1014)
Frozen Angel (3):

Performer

(1579) --> (Null) (1606) -->

Performer

(1814)
JarJarDrinks (8):

Osuka

(85) -->

Almost50

(114) --> Charles510 (186) --> Edosurist (231) -->

Osuka

(535) -->

Ausuka

(842) --> Wavemode (1112) --> Andriod18 (1410)

Osuka

(10): Wavemode (80) --> JarJarDrinks (124) --> ArcAngel9 (229) --> Pine (332) --> JarJarDrinks (353) -->

Performer

(769) --> TheRampage (771) -->

Performer

(1047) --> Vaxkiller (1359) -->

Performer

(1384)
Texcat (4):

Osuka

(79) --> Wavemode (1080) -->

Osuka

(1703) --> Andriod18 (1777)
Andriod18 (4): Kublai Khan (190) --> Lovebird (290) --> JarJarDrinks (855) -->

Performer

(1796)
ArcAngel9 (4): Texcat (81) --> TheRampage (223) --> Texcat (604) -->

Performer

(1397)
Charles510 (2): JarJarDrinks (87) --> (Null) (310)
Vaxkiller (8): JarJarDrinks (363) --> Scioness Sajj (389) --> Andriod18 (437) --> JarJarDrinks (532) --> Golden Robster (678) --> Wavemode (1078) --> TheRampage (1085) -->

Performer

(1116)
Wavemode (5): Texcat (82) --> Charles510 (131) --> (Null) (838) -->

Osuka

(867) -->

Performer

(1108)
TheRampage (3): Creature (100) --> (Null) (509) -->

Osuka

(681)
PenguinPower (1):

Performer

(1774)
Myloninja13 (4): Edosurist (233) --> JarJarDrinks (326) -->

Performer

(1554) --> Andriod18 (1787)
Scioness Sajj (4):

Ausuka

(406) --> (Null) (1325) -->

Performer

(1552) --> Andriod18 (1760)

Flavor Leaf

(1): Andriod18 (1772)

Pre-Game

Dunnstral (2): Texcat (9) --> Pine (43)

Srceenplay

(1): Andriod18 (62)
Pine (1):

Osuka

(16)
Kublai Khan (1): Pine (34)
Hopkirk (1):

Osuka

(66)
Edosurist (1): Pine (42)

Osuka

(2): Pine (28) --> Wavemode (33)
Texcat (1): Pine (44)
Wavemode (1):

Osuka

(31)

[Gamma Emerald]

9. HopKirk -- Hopelessly lost town lead

this strike me as discreditory
Also I'm probably gonna start reading the stuff I missed cos if I don't I'm gonna continue not understanding what's going on

I'm just salty that he disagrees with me on you and cat.

This is also why I don't usually do full lists. Everyone focuses on the string-of-consciousness thoughts I poop out for slots I am not thinking about that much and it just distracts from the slots I actually think are scummy. Like, I think pretty much everyone else is null, other than the people I think are scummy. I don't see how this helps tbh. With this many players and the number of scum, even with a flip I'm not sure I'm seeing a lot of play that can give me certainty someone is hard town. Especially when we still have 15% of the game as basically lurkers.

Like what even is this. Are you any less scummy just because I made a joke about our last mason?

Yeah no you don't call someone "lost" just for disagreeing on two reads. This makes me even more sure about the intent of your comment. And no I don't see what towncred I was aiming for (as that's what you seem to be implying with the last line). I was trying to call you out.

[Gamma Emerald]

Whatever. You had your shot and blew it. The game I wanted you to point to was Open 688. You modded that game, so you should remember that Creature was so unengaged that he forgot his night action. Your assertion that it's completely black-and-white was bullshit.

Oh right, Gamma was the one that thought Creature was obvious by day 3. Gamma is Creature obviously town or obviously scum this game?

Town.

[Gamma Emerald]

Makes 0 sense based on texcat's play.

This the only thing that I immediately have a problem with in that wall, everything else just seems to be an interpretation of things that could be different. This however, I had been taking notes when I replaced in and that was what I'd had for texcat, so it was what I based my read on.

[Gamma Emerald]

krazy has some good points about gamma
namely naked voting and sheeping other players and then voting some of my townreads without decent explanation (in line with sheeping others)

VOTE: myloninja
honestly all the actual content I've seen from him has been terrible
I'm done beating around the bush here

VOTE: Kublai Khan
I think this is a good case, and think that the points brought up are valid points.

mylo is kinda a shitty vote to pick at imo, like I'd already agreed with hop that his play was reminiscent of splatoon mafia, and like what fucking reasoning CAN there be, he had no content! The vote was naked because there wasn't anything to dress it with. As for Kublai I wasn't particularly in the game, so I didn't have to best idea of what to vote on. That's been my play for d2 through to now, but I intend to change that

[Scioness Sajj]

Krazy, you realize I've followed you on exactly one vote this game, right? That was the deadline scramble on Gamma. I don't count Tex today because you followed

me

onto Tex D3, she was who I was on the majority of D3, and you happened to post here first today before I could re-vote her.

On another note, Dunnwagon is abysmal and he's Town. Probably one of my strongest TRs, actually.

Can you go over why this is town Dunn?

OTOH, him not wanting to lynch Wheme on policy grounds after seeing me get raked for unvoting Wheme on policy grounds is very indicative of town!dunn. If he's Scum, he can just kill Wheme or wait the phase out, but actively coming in to take fire defending Wheme is dumb. I liked the way he responded to me after I questioned his vote on me as well.

I've found myself agreeing with him a lot over the last few days too - his view of the gamestate mirrors mine fairly well and I feel like I can follow his progression.

umm okay but scum!dunn would know wheme is scum?

which is all the more reason scum!dunn would be aware how much flak he would take for the policy defense of his buddy wheme, no?

are you asking me or correcting what you wrote?

[Scioness Sajj]

It means scum thought about what they were going to fake claim.

Scum said "wheme fake claim cop, because we have multiple masons outed already and that'd be a reason to buy you a day. At the worst you out the real protective"

no clue why you think that scum has fake claims ready.

Wheme fake claimed doc.

i'm aware. does not understand what makes you so sure that it was pre-planned and that whole scumteam has fakeclamis ready.

[Gamma Emerald]

Yikes, not looking too good there piney

Vaxkiller, where's your vig shot?

Starting my reading of stuff I missed, this isn't a good start for dunnstral

[JarJarDrinks]

I wouldn't feel too bad about lynching a town vig, by the way, but maybe we should let them live. If nothing else, if they're real they could tie up mafia roleblocker or something

What's wrong with you guys? I don't remember wheme being so scummy that we ignore good strategy and just lynch him through a doctor claim, I was under the impression that this was basically a lurker/lynchbait day.

Wheme isn't scummy around hammer, why would mafia claim dumb protect targets

If Wheme is mafia he gets caught later and we lynch him over any other doc claim if it comes to it

If we lynch doctor we lose our way to protect all these mason/ic that prematurely claimed (more bad town play but nothing I could do about it)

VOTE: PenguinPower

Why the 2 different attitudes about the claims?

Dunn, u answer this yet?