NY 213 - Game Over!

[Gamma Emerald]

Unfortunately I have to go now but I'm at least happy I've started on my reading so I can have a place to jump to

[Tchill13]

It means scum thought about what they were going to fake claim.

Scum said "wheme fake claim cop, because we have multiple masons outed already and that'd be a reason to buy you a day. At the worst you out the real protective"

no clue why you think that scum has fake claims ready.

Wheme fake claimed doc.

i'm aware. does not understand what makes you so sure that it was pre-planned and that whole scumteam has fakeclamis ready.

So you think he fake claimed doc for no reason when we already had multiple PRs claim? You don't see that connection? You don't just fake claim to fake claim. You fake claim something that's beneficial for town in a given scenario. Doc obviously was.

It was an obvious fake claim. Town "coincidencently" ran up the doctor?

He said "wait I have to work I'll be back in a bit" followed by "anyone here i? I'm ready to talk and claim".

Look at his iso. Look at the last 5 pages leading up to the wagon. If it's not obvious it was a fake claim idk what to tell you. Look how it stalled.

[Scioness Sajj]

It means scum thought about what they were going to fake claim.

Scum said "wheme fake claim cop, because we have multiple masons outed already and that'd be a reason to buy you a day. At the worst you out the real protective"

Wheme fake claims, dunn highlights why we'd keep the doc in the game. Now in the context of the claim it looks terrible and awkward. So I'm having a hard time believing anyone actually believed that claim. On top of the fact DUNN HIGH LIGHTED THE DOC COULD PROTECT THE MASONS. Which is why scum fake claimed doc in particular.

Hm this makes sense
VOTE: Dunnstral

i don't like dunn wagon anymore

Why? Because you SR gamma? You realize that could be gamma scum! Bussing off of someone else's logic?

Mostly, because of how Gamma went about it. Less so because I think your arguments aren't well thought out and seem reach-y(this one in particular).
Gamma is in the 'eh meh' pile with dunn. All I remember about him is that I liked some of his early posts and then he started commenting on everything but content.
Yeah, he sure can be bussing but that's an assumption and I don't think it's likely. What reasons does he have to bus a buddy over voting me? My wagon has 'better' people on it. The wagons sort of stalled so there is no reason for him to bus over choosing me or somebody else. Nor is he actually doing it very convincingly (which actually gets me back to 'maybe gamma is town for this' but that's something i'll have to think about).

[Tchill13]

How am I reaching? Either dunn here is gullible town or scum that highlights why we should leave scum wheme alive.

[Tchill13]

I didn't say he was bussing I was just saying it's a possibility and I wanted your specific reasoning for it.

[Ircher]

Day 4 VC #9

Dunnstral (6) - JarJarDrinks (4815), Creature (4817), PenguinPower (4819), Texcat (4829), Myloninja13 (4837), Gamma Emerald (4847)

Gamma Emerald (1) - Krazy (4859)
Tchill13 (1) - Ankamius (4756)
Texcat (2) - Dunnstral (4670), TehBrawlGuy (4710)

Scioness Sajj (5) - Golden Robster (4681), Vaxkiller (4721), Wavemode (4854), Hopkirk (4857), Tchill13 (4863)

Not Voting (3) - Kublai Khan, Skygazer (4894), Scioness Sajj (4895)

Lynch Threshold

During day 4, it takes 10 votes to lynch a player.

Deadline

Day 4 ends on August 2, 2018 5:30 PM EDT (GMT-4:00) or in (expired on 2018-08-02 17:30:00).

Moderator Notes

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If you notice any mistakes, please point them out. (That includes looking at the voting history.)

Spoiler: Current Voting History

Dunnstral: Texcat (4670)
Golden Robster: Scioness Sajj (4681)
Krazy: Texcat (4669) --> Gamma Emerald (4859)
Creature: Scioness Sajj (4665) --> Texcat (4745) --> Dunnstral (4817)
Hopkirk: Scioness Sajj (4672) --> (Null) (4848) --> Scioness Sajj (4857)
Gamma Emerald: Dunnstral (4847)
Tchill13: Scioness Sajj (4707) --> Dunnstral (4822) --> Scioness Sajj (4863)
Skygazer: Scioness Sajj (4717) --> Texcat (4888) --> (Null) (4894)
JarJarDrinks: Scioness Sajj (4674) --> Dunnstral (4815)
Ankamius: Tchill13 (4756)
Texcat: Dunnstral (4829)
TehBrawlGuy: Texcat (4710)
Vaxkiller: Scioness Sajj (4721)
Wavemode: Scioness Sajj (4854)
PenguinPower: Scioness Sajj (4713) --> Dunnstral (4819)
Myloninja13: Dunnstral (4837)
Scioness Sajj: Texcat (4675) --> (Null) (4895)

Spoiler: Previous Voting History

Day 3

* - Hammer vote
^ - Vote occurred after hammer

Dunnstral (2): Myloninja13 (3463) --> Texcat (4162)
Golden Robster (3): Dunnstral (3559) --> TehBrawlGuy (4208) --> Creature (4255)
Pine (0):
Krazy (3): Dunnstral (3978) --> Texcat (4161) --> Gamma Emerald (4392)
Creature (8): Texcat (3472) -->

Lalendra

(3681) --> Texcat (3744) --> Myloninja13 (4013) --> Texcat (4165) -->

Lalendra

(4213) --> Kublai Khan (4260) -->

Lalendra

(4284)
Kublai Khan (7): Creature (3511) -->

Lalendra

(4033) --> TehBrawlGuy (4184) --> Creature (4240) -->

Lalendra

(4308) --> Gamma Emerald (4416) -->

Lalendra

(4557)
Hopkirk (3):

Lalendra

(3661) --> Myloninja13 (4082) -->

Lalendra

(4339)
Gamma Emerald (3):

Lalendra

(3913) --> (Null) (3954) --> Myloninja13 (4073)

Ausuka

(4): Myloninja13 (3640) -->

Lalendra

(3677) --> Myloninja13 (4010) -->

Lalendra

(4286)

Lalendra

(3): TehBrawlGuy (3719) --> Myloninja13 (4130) --> Creature (4384)
Tchill13 (3):

Lalendra

(3690) --> Myloninja13 (4082) -->

Lalendra

(4215)
Frozen Angel (0):
Skygazer (1):

Lalendra

(4564)
JarJarDrinks (5): Creature (3616) --> (Null) (3694) -->

Lalendra

(3695) --> Dunnstral (3704) -->

Lalendra

(3721)
Ankamius (3):

Lalendra

(3801) --> (Null) (4044) --> Creature (4239)
Texcat (1): Myloninja13 (3637)
TehBrawlGuy (4): JarJarDrinks (3466) --> Texcat (3790) --> Creature (4245) --> Gamma Emerald (4421)
Vaxkiller (3): Kublai Khan (4004) --> Myloninja13 (4214) -->

Lalendra

(4220)
Wavemode (2): TehBrawlGuy (3468) -->

Lalendra

(3716) --> _{Ankamius (4600^)}
PenguinPower (3): Texcat (3473) --> Myloninja13 (3643) -->

Lalendra

(3678)
Myloninja13 (2): Dunnstral (3765) --> Creature (4252)
Scioness Sajj (3): Texcat (3756) --> Creature (4338) -->

Lalendra

(4577*)

Day 2

Note: * - Hammer Vote

Dunnstral (4): Myloninja13 (1942) --> JarJarDrinks (2206) --> PenguinPower (3242) --> TehBrawlGuy (3248)
Golden Robster (17): Hopkirk (2078) --> (Null) (2096) --> PenguinPower (2112) --> Scioness Sajj (2152) --> Vaxkiller (2171) --> (Null) (2288) --> Creature (2299) -->

WhemeStar

(2304) --> Wavemode (2367) --> Scioness Sajj (2432) --> TehBrawlGuy (2526) -->

Flavor Leaf

(2642) --> (Null) (2783) --> PenguinPower (2979) -->

WhemeStar

(3099) --> (Null) (3284) -->

WhemeStar

(3286)
Pine (1): Andriod18 (1936)
Creature (3): Myloninja13 (1941) --> PenguinPower (2835) -->

WhemeStar

(3453*)
Kublai Khan (5):

Flavor Leaf

(1944) --> (Null) (2366) --> Vaxkiller (2423) --> PenguinPower (2899) -->

WhemeStar

(3027)

WhemeStar

(4): Vaxkiller (2245) --> JarJarDrinks (2301) -->

Flavor Leaf

(2542) --> PenguinPower (2930)
Hopkirk (5): Andriod18 (2197) --> Kublai Khan (2346) --> (Null) (2781) ==> (Null) (2782) -->

WhemeStar

(3008)
Gamma Emerald (5): Kublai Khan (2488) --> Golden Robster (2839) --> (Null) (2867) --> PenguinPower (2990) -->

WhemeStar

(3318)

Ausuka

(7): PenguinPower (1960) --> Myloninja13 (2434) -->

Flavor Leaf

(2504) --> (Null) (2573) --> Myloninja13 (2574) --> TehBrawlGuy (3023) -->

WhemeStar

(3293)

Lalendra

(7): Vaxkiller (2184) --> JarJarDrinks (2334) --> Andriod18 (2503) -->

Flavor Leaf

(2657) --> (Null) (2705) --> PenguinPower (2809) -->

WhemeStar

(3097)
EspeciallyTheLies (1): PenguinPower (1996)
JarJarDrinks (10): Andriod18 (1945) --> EspeciallyTheLies (2041) --> (Null) (2066) --> Andriod18 (2192) -->

Flavor Leaf

(2327) --> (Null) (2612) -->

Flavor Leaf

(2640) --> (Null) (2755) --> Andriod18 (2943) -->

WhemeStar

(3030)
Andriod18 (2): JarJarDrinks (2116) --> Kublai Khan (2533)
Texcat (2): ArcAngel9 (1987) --> Myloninja13 (2552)
ArcAngel9 (1): Texcat (2072)
TehBrawlGuy (7): (Null) (2535) --> Wavemode (2690) -->

WhemeStar

(3062) --> (Null) (3118) -->

WhemeStar

(3165) --> (Null) (3196) -->

WhemeStar

(3233)
Vaxkiller (5):

WhemeStar

(2343) --> Myloninja13 (2472) --> PenguinPower (3012) -->

WhemeStar

(3112) --> PenguinPower (3290)
Wavemode (6): Texcat (2044) --> Andriod18 (2331) -->

Flavor Leaf

(2635) --> (Null) (2800) -->

WhemeStar

(2966) ==>

WhemeStar

(3115)
PenguinPower (7): Myloninja13 (1947) --> Kublai Khan (2572) -->

Flavor Leaf

(2709) --> Myloninja13 (2759) --> Golden Robster (2775) --> (Null) (2894) -->

WhemeStar

(2962)
Myloninja13 (1): PenguinPower (2437)
Scioness Sajj (3): Andriod18 (2904) -->

WhemeStar

(3034) --> PenguinPower (3255)

Flavor Leaf

(5): JarJarDrinks (2205) --> Kublai Khan (2499) --> PenguinPower (2715) --> Golden Robster (2774) -->

WhemeStar

(2958)

Day 1

Note: * = Hammer Vote

Note: ^ = Vote after hammer vote.

Dunnstral (5):

Osuka

(77) --> Texcat (1388) -->

Lalendra

(1623) -->

Osuka

(1758) -->

Performer

(1782)

Srceenplay

(0): (Null)

Performer

(5):

Osuka

(623) --> TheRampage (909) --> Wavemode (1051) --> Andriod18 (1765) -->

Performer

(1849)*

Joral

(0): (Null)

Almost50

(8): Hopkirk (97) --> Edosurist (226) -->

Osuka

(390) -->

Ausuka

(1205) --> (Null) (1304) --> Vaxkiller (1352) --> (Null) (1380) --> Andriod18 (1460)
Fumuki (0): (Null)
Golden Robster (13):

Almost50

(177) --> Wavemode (183) -->

Osuka

(236) -->

Ausuka (317)

--> JarJarDrinks (319) --> (Null) (546) --> Vaxkiller (602) --> (Null) (1504) --> Wavemode (1588) --> (Null) (1589) --> ArcAngel9 (1770) --> Andriod18 (1784) --> (Null) (1798)
Pine (2):

Osuka

(176) --> Andriod18 (1835)
Creature (6):

Performer

(385) --> Myloninja13 (720) --> TheRampage (813) -->

Performer

(898) --> Andriod18 (1449) -->

Performer

(1846)
Kublai Khan (6):

Osuka

(76) -->

Almost50

(122) --> Scioness Sajj (388) --> JarJarDrinks (536) -->

Osuka

(725) -->

Performer

(957)

WhemeStar

(3):

Lalendra

(234) --> JarJarDrinks (797) -->

Flavor Leaf

(955)
Hopkirk (9):

Osuka

(90) -->

Lalendra

(279) -->

Osuka

(696) --> (Null) (993) --> Wavemode (999) -->

Performer

(1273) --> (Null) (1315) -->

Performer

(1458) --> Andriod18 (1679)
Edosurist (2): Texcat (84) -->

Almost50

(222)
Gamma Emerald (3): Vaxkiller (710) --> Wavemode (1107) --> Andriod18 (1711) --> _{(Null) (1889)^}

Ausuka

(9): JarJarDrinks (89) --> Creature (104) --> Myloninja13 (429) --> (Null) (742) --> TheRampage (743) --> Wavemode (998) -->

Performer

(1604) -->

Lalendra

(1624) --> Andriod18 (1680)

Lalendra

(3):

Almost50

(209) --> (Null) (559) -->

Performer

(1229)
EspeciallyTheLies (2):

Almost50

(83) -->

Performer

(515)
Lovebird (1): Edosurist (259)
Davesaz (1): Wavemode (1014)
Frozen Angel (3):

Performer

(1579) --> (Null) (1606) -->

Performer

(1814)
JarJarDrinks (8):

Osuka

(85) -->

Almost50

(114) --> Charles510 (186) --> Edosurist (231) -->

Osuka

(535) -->

Ausuka

(842) --> Wavemode (1112) --> Andriod18 (1410)

Osuka

(10): Wavemode (80) --> JarJarDrinks (124) --> ArcAngel9 (229) --> Pine (332) --> JarJarDrinks (353) -->

Performer

(769) --> TheRampage (771) -->

Performer

(1047) --> Vaxkiller (1359) -->

Performer

(1384)
Texcat (4):

Osuka

(79) --> Wavemode (1080) -->

Osuka

(1703) --> Andriod18 (1777)
Andriod18 (4): Kublai Khan (190) --> Lovebird (290) --> JarJarDrinks (855) -->

Performer

(1796)
ArcAngel9 (4): Texcat (81) --> TheRampage (223) --> Texcat (604) -->

Performer

(1397)
Charles510 (2): JarJarDrinks (87) --> (Null) (310)
Vaxkiller (8): JarJarDrinks (363) --> Scioness Sajj (389) --> Andriod18 (437) --> JarJarDrinks (532) --> Golden Robster (678) --> Wavemode (1078) --> TheRampage (1085) -->

Performer

(1116)
Wavemode (5): Texcat (82) --> Charles510 (131) --> (Null) (838) -->

Osuka

(867) -->

Performer

(1108)
TheRampage (3): Creature (100) --> (Null) (509) -->

Osuka

(681)
PenguinPower (1):

Performer

(1774)
Myloninja13 (4): Edosurist (233) --> JarJarDrinks (326) -->

Performer

(1554) --> Andriod18 (1787)
Scioness Sajj (4):

Ausuka

(406) --> (Null) (1325) -->

Performer

(1552) --> Andriod18 (1760)

Flavor Leaf

(1): Andriod18 (1772)

Pre-Game

Dunnstral (2): Texcat (9) --> Pine (43)

Srceenplay

(1): Andriod18 (62)
Pine (1):

Osuka

(16)
Kublai Khan (1): Pine (34)
Hopkirk (1):

Osuka

(66)
Edosurist (1): Pine (42)

Osuka

(2): Pine (28) --> Wavemode (33)
Texcat (1): Pine (44)
Wavemode (1):

Osuka

(31)

[Scioness Sajj]

It means scum thought about what they were going to fake claim.

Scum said "wheme fake claim cop, because we have multiple masons outed already and that'd be a reason to buy you a day. At the worst you out the real protective"

no clue why you think that scum has fake claims ready.

Wheme fake claimed doc.

i'm aware. does not understand what makes you so sure that it was pre-planned and that whole scumteam has fakeclamis ready.

So you think he fake claimed doc for no reason when we already had multiple PRs claim? You don't see that connection? You don't just fake claim to fake claim. You fake claim something that's beneficial for town in a given scenario. Doc obviously was.

It was an obvious fake claim. Town "coincidencently" ran up the doctor?

He said "wait I have to work I'll be back in a bit" followed by "anyone here i? I'm ready to talk and claim".

Look at his iso. Look at the last 5 pages leading up to the wagon. If it's not obvious it was a fake claim idk what to tell you. Look how it stalled.

You're misunderstanding me or just talking about something else. I'm not arguing wheme's fakeclaim. I don't get why you think mafia had a bunch of fakeclaims ready ahead of time. It looked to me like wheme's claim was last minute decision. He was stalling while he could have just claimed.

I don't think he claimed for no reason, I agree that the fakeclaim was convenient. I see the connection I think it was even pointed back when it was happening. I can't agree it was obvious-obvious, though. It happens that town prs get run up early in the game, it happened with FL, i think i picked up on Ausuka because of it.
But not to argue for the sake of arguing, yeah I agree it that the claim looks bad and was suspicious.

[Scioness Sajj]

How am I reaching? Either dunn here is gullible town or scum that highlights why we should leave scum wheme alive.

I might be misunderstanding what you mean by 'It means scum thought about what they were going to fake claim.'.

I didn't say he was bussing I was just saying it's a possibility and I wanted your specific reasoning for it.

Did you get what you wanted

[Scioness Sajj]

@Ircher, I'm not voting wavemode, I'm voting nobody atm

it isn't that bad of a vote though.

some other stuff:
- Ausuka's death should be looked into at some point. She wasn't killed because of her presence, also doubt she was killed because she was IC.
- It is time to start making choices or we will have another last minute lynch.
- I don't know how much, if at all, i will be able to contribute last two days the day.
- I will find enough time to remind you about texact, though

bonus: i just started to realize how bad my last minute PP vote looks, lol

Please use the unvote tag to unvote rather than the vote tag. I can understand it, but the automated VCer cannot.
~Ircher

[Tchill13]

Ausuka was strictly killed because of conftown status.

[Tchill13]

I never said mafia has a bunch of fake claims ready.im saying they planned the doc claim after the masons outed.

[Golden Robster]

Mylo/sajj/ank/Rob/krazy are my scumleans rn but Creature aside I'm not really townreading anyone suspected?

[Golden Robster]

Ausuka's death should be looked into at some point. She wasn't killed because of her presence, also doubt she was killed because she was IC.

why do you think this?

[Golden Robster]

I think scion is pretty scummy to be honest; a combination of poe, hammer on town and then a string of posts about how he was unsure about lalendra followed by potential hammer sitting

you have been scumreading me from d1 and all you have to say is that i have hammered my townread?

do you want me to case you?

also creature switched wagon so getting good vibes from this

sure

tomorrow

[Golden Robster]

Whatever. You had your shot and blew it. The game I wanted you to point to was Open 688. You modded that game, so you should remember that Creature was so unengaged that he forgot his night action. Your assertion that it's completely black-and-white was bullshit.

Oh right, Gamma was the one that thought Creature was obvious by day 3. Gamma is Creature obviously town or obviously scum this game?

Town.

how is creature town and why do you townread him right now?

[Golden Robster]

I think Krazy's case on gamma is great btw but gamma would still be at the back of my SRs

kind of sounds like subtle defending

[Scioness Sajj]

I kinda tr Lal's recentish posting? it feels genuine.

VOTE: Myloninja

(just crossposting this over all of my games to say i'm going to spain for two weeks and won't have access to PC. i'm not on much nowadays anyway so my activity shouldn't, like, dramatically decrease, but i'll be less able to read through the game, make quotes, etc.)

VOTE: lalendra

Mylo is still scum. creature wagon is horrifyingly bad. I will never understand why people who have never played with him handwave all evidence of his alignment because "I don't use meta!" even though it's already worked in every game and it will continue to work in every game. it is a tried and tested method of reading him. you are not the special scumhunter whose reads are better than a 100% record. literally look at any game if you can't trust the literal confirmed townie.

because of those posts. like those are reasons not to kill her imo.

[Golden Robster]

if she wasn't killed due to her presence or conf!town status then why do you think they killed her?

[Scioness Sajj]

she was right somewhere. my first thought was the mylo/creature reads but the read list you quoted it also something to look into.

[Scioness Sajj]

her presence was not an issue for sure. she was low activity, warned us she would stay that way and even though she had two strong reads (creature and mylo) she went with compromise lala lynch (those posts i quoted are in order of apparance so i assume she was still townreading lala when voting her).

it can be as simple as killing of conf towns but she had one consensus scum read (me), one somewhat consensus but she was pushing it (mylo) and three less suspected people (you, krazy and ank). worth keeping this in mind.

plus, if we assume that scum is looking for a hypothetical doc (killing a50 n1 and wheme's claim suggests that) then killing Ausuka locks them out of killing hopkirk until they hit doc.

[Ankamius]

It's obviously because all three of those reads are correct

Wait a second...

[Kublai Khan]

she was right somewhere. my first thought was the mylo/creature reads but the read list you quoted it also something to look into.

This straight-up textbook WIFOM thinking.

What kinda strikes me though is, why assume "Ausuka was correct" instead of "Hopkirk is wrong"? No offense to Ausuka, but Hopkirk is a stronger town leader so far.

[Tchill13]

Hopkirk has better reads in my experience of the two from all games played.

[Tchill13]

Dunn needs to be lynched.

[Ankamius]

Did Ausuka have influence in her own right outside of being conftown?

Because conftown + influence is all you need to be killed sooner rather than later.