Newbie 1881 - Game Over

[IcemanCh]

I guess to expand on it more. I have given reasons. Mostly around the way D1 voting went down. But Poe is also part of it.

Yes, you really do.

your reasons are only D1 voting, which ive already explained is the way I play.
PoE isnt really a reason, its more a process

The way you play pings me as scummy. Sorry?

uhm...

ive already explained me not dropping votes every 5 posts is just my play-style, and I have proof of it as town as ive already proven before when both Nancy and WhyMafia pushed me about the voting. and I showed that me not voting is not a scum-tell

Yea, I totally have this scummy thing that I do but, I can explain it because it's my town play so you should ignore it because it's how play town.... no, no, I understand you think it's scummy but, I've explained it that it's not so you should stop thinking that it is.


- Eragon

I know that Nancy and Quick have both told me that there is no such thing as a "scummy" behavior and that you have to read everything individually. I'm glad that works for them but, it doesn't work for me. In society there are rules that people follow and if they are not followed then people label them as bad people. The same thing applies to the game off mafia. Sure, those rules change from site to site much like cultural norms change from locale to locale. My interpretation of someone holding back their vote is that they are a scum planning their move and unwilling to get their hands dirty and show any conviction. Just like my interpretation of not talking would be to label someone scum or not participating in town, or not helping town. It just how things work. If you play outside of the rules you'll end up looking scummy to some.

[IcemanCh]

I don't mean that post to sound as snippy as it might be coming across. I'm trying to paraphrase what you're saying and what it sounds like in my head. I'm trying to be open with you and show you my side of the fence.

[IcemanCh]

I'm not trying to be mean.

[OkaPoka]

Yo mr iceman i totally agree with how you scumread, thats how i scumread too

but i feel like skygazer is doing that more than eragon and arguably formerfish too

read skygazer for me and see if you come to same conclusion

[IcemanCh]

Yo mr iceman i totally agree with how you scumread, thats how i scumread too

but i feel like skygazer is doing that more than eragon and arguably formerfish too

read skygazer for me and see if you come to same conclusion

I'll read sky and get a fresh read. You should consider putting Eragon at L-1 so that we can have a real wagon. Let's twist his arm a bit and see how he reacts.

[IcemanCh]

I think you're right that I'm ignoring Sky for the most part at the moment. But, that's because I want to sort Eragon 100% before I move on.

[OkaPoka]

Meh, no l1 on eragon until I hear a good case on Eragon (from nancy hopefully)

[nancy]

Eragon, where are you getting this "I proved my town meta" stuff? I read the game you linked and immediately pointed out that you made a serious vote early in the game in like your 5th post.

Oka, I'm probably going to put FF to L-1 if he doesn't talk about his reads and such in the way that he said he would. You can't just soft PR and expect people to leave you alone because of it.

[IcemanCh]

Meh, no l1 on eragon until I hear a good case on Eragon (from nancy hopefully)

Sounds good to me. I'll reread sky and post something tomorrow. I said early that it's a gut read and that's mostly cause I have not delved into their posts. For the most part Sky's slot has flown under the radar.

[IcemanCh]

Eragon, where are you getting this "I proved my town meta" stuff? I read the game you linked and immediately pointed out that you made a serious vote early in the game in like your 5th post.

Oka, I'm probably going to put FF to L-1 if he doesn't talk about his reads and such in the way that he said he would. You can't just soft PR and expect people to leave you alone because of it.

He made a soft claim?

[OkaPoka]

Quick. Read this very carefully.

As scum I would have more reason to stay out of nancys way when she started in on you. As scum I would have sat on the sideline of that with a tub of popcorn and watched you swan dive off the high board into an empty pool.

I feel like to matter what happens today you guys arent going to even pretend to look other places.

Should I just claim here so we can all be on our merry ways?

i think this is the soft claim in question, now that nancy is going to talk about it

[IcemanCh]

Quick. Read this very carefully.

As scum I would have more reason to stay out of nancys way when she started in on you. As scum I would have sat on the sideline of that with a tub of popcorn and watched you swan dive off the high board into an empty pool.

I feel like to matter what happens today you guys arent going to even pretend to look other places.

Should I just claim here so we can all be on our merry ways?

i think this is the soft claim in question, now that nancy is going to talk about it

Ohhh..... That changes things I think? If we were town reading it we should let it slide but, since we're not it is something we should push. Right?

[Eragon]

Eragon, where are you getting this "I proved my town meta" stuff? I read the game you linked and immediately pointed out that you made a serious vote early in the game in like your 5th post.

Oka, I'm probably going to put FF to L-1 if he doesn't talk about his reads and such in the way that he said he would. You can't just soft PR and expect people to leave you alone because of it.

im not sure if you realized it but the person in question was at L-2 within 5 pages and 4 hours of day start...

5/7 votes were on him in that time

meaning 5 people voted him

meaning something was pretty obvious

[nancy]

Scum are going to notice it 100% of the time, it's very very obvious. It doesn't affect my read on him, is what I'm saying.

[OkaPoka]

i dunno about that one nancy, formerfish basically soft claimed cop before and told us who was inno and we had a page of being awkward and scum didn't end up noticing so yeah

[Eragon]

I guess to expand on it more. I have given reasons. Mostly around the way D1 voting went down. But Poe is also part of it.

Yes, you really do.

your reasons are only D1 voting, which ive already explained is the way I play.
PoE isnt really a reason, its more a process

The way you play pings me as scummy. Sorry?

uhm...

ive already explained me not dropping votes every 5 posts is just my play-style, and I have proof of it as town as ive already proven before when both Nancy and WhyMafia pushed me about the voting. and I showed that me not voting is not a scum-tell

Yea, I totally have this scummy thing that I do but, I can explain it because it's my town play so you should ignore it because it's how play town.... no, no, I understand you think it's scummy but, I've explained it that it's not so you should stop thinking that it is.


- Eragon

I know that Nancy and Quick have both told me that there is no such thing as a "scummy" behavior and that you have to read everything individually. I'm glad that works for them but, it doesn't work for me. In society there are rules that people follow and if they are not followed then people label them as bad people. The same thing applies to the game off mafia. Sure, those rules change from site to site much like cultural norms change from locale to locale. My interpretation of someone holding back their vote is that they are a scum planning their move and unwilling to get their hands dirty and show any conviction. Just like my interpretation of not talking would be to label someone scum or not participating in town, or not helping town. It just how things work. If you play outside of the rules you'll end up looking scummy to some.

1. I disagree that me not voting everything I see is scummy.
2. play style /=/ scum
3. Its my town play too, so it shouldn't be considered that scummy

I'm not trying to be mean.

I know

[OkaPoka]

scum knows now that so it might be worth just to push or something idk im deer in the headlights

[IcemanCh]

i dunno about that one nancy, formerfish basically soft claimed cop before and told us who was inno and we had a page of being awkward and scum didn't end up noticing so yeah

Wow I really am bad at this game. I missed it. How are you deducing cop?

[IcemanCh]

It explains why he's quiet and different.

[OkaPoka]

no
thats not what i mean

i mean in my previous game with him he did that

[nancy]

Eragon, where are you getting this "I proved my town meta" stuff? I read the game you linked and immediately pointed out that you made a serious vote early in the game in like your 5th post.

Oka, I'm probably going to put FF to L-1 if he doesn't talk about his reads and such in the way that he said he would. You can't just soft PR and expect people to leave you alone because of it.

im not sure if you realized it but the person in question was at L-2 within 5 pages and 4 hours of day start...

5/7 votes were on him in that time

meaning 5 people voted him

meaning something was pretty obvious

I realized, yes. Idt it's relevant

[OkaPoka]

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=76409

formerfish cop game

[nancy]

i dunno about that one nancy, formerfish basically soft claimed cop before and told us who was inno and we had a page of being awkward and scum didn't end up noticing so yeah

Lmao

[OkaPoka]

so i assume then eragon case is a no then ?

[nancy]

My laptop is still in the shop