NY214: Project Pinecone (Game over! Town wins!)

[Nosferatu]

oof thats a throwback

[HeWhoSwims]

Ugh I'm out of brain power

I don't see how xyzzy reaction to the nonhammer makes him town but I'm still no fan of lynching a51 or Profii. Rereading tomorrow.

[Skygazer]

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... er_sort=Go

SKY WHY ARE YOU SO DIFFERENT HERE

to add on to that I was basically locktown to everybody after fakeclaiming IC (I actually would've had a suicide-vig if I won a duel) so I had incentive to lie low and not post anything that could threaten scum in order to avoid being night killed

[Skygazer]

Interesting that HWS has never explained his profii read in depth

[Skygazer]

Actually he hasn't explained his xyzzy read either, went from not liking the flashwagon yesterday to being unsure to suddenly that's the best viable wagon for him

[Skygazer]

Ok grabbing my laptop now

[Almost50]

A game has just ended, and I as scum in it. GO CHECK IT OUT (and notice that it ran simultaneously with his one, so I went through the exact moods during both). If you still think this here is my scum play, you're hopeless.

(Especially @Ausuka & Rask)

[Pine]

==> Vote Count 2.8 <==

With 15 votes in play, it's 8 to lynch!

Flavor coming. Sheesh, get off my tits.

[L-7]

Almost50 - Skygazer

[L-8]

MagnaofIllusion -

[L-8]

Ausuka -

[L-8]

brassherald -

[L-8]

the worst -

[L-8]

Gamma Emerald -

[L-4]

Skygazer - Taly, Gamma Emerald, Ausuka, MagnaofIllusion

[L-8]

Inferno390 -

[L-8]

Chickadee -

[L-3]

xyzzy - Raskolnikov, profii, brassherald, the worst, Almost50

[L-8]

HeWhoSwims -

[L-8]

Raskolnikov -

[L-8]

Taly -

[L-8]

Nosferatu -

[L-6]

Profii - Chickadee, xyzzy, Inferno390

Nursing their beer (Not voting)

- HeWhoSwims, Nosferatu

It hasn't been very long, but lots of rapid vote changes merits an update.

Deadline in (expired on 2018-08-01 18:30:00)

[Skygazer]

Spoiler: hi taly part 1

115

Sky

agrees with

xyzzy's

assessment, but goes further and says that

Rask

is LAMIST...

Not really a lot to respond to here, I was pretty misguided and reevaluated my read later on.

514 Literally

Sky

is doing what

Elbirn

is in a different way - deflecting from the scumreads on her without actually evaluating them. Takes it a step further to distance herself and invalidate the reads on 515 without explaining why.

I mean, it's really hard to evaluate the scumreads on me when there was maybe only one person on my wagon who posted an actual reason to scumread me (Ausuka), especially when that one reason was for something stupid I did early game. I think 515 implied that I thought chicka and dave were much scummier than me (at the time) so I didn't get why my wagon was the one to take off.

527

Sky

states that it's difficult to gamesolve with the game content, but doesn't ask questions or try to resolve that issue.

I mean, that's true. This is my first large game and I felt very overwhelmed and out of my element after getting wagoned for essentially no reason so I didn't feel I had the skill or the motivation to make meaningful contributions.

528 With really no other prompt

Sky

brings up that she wasn't fond of

Dave

and

Chickadee

's responses and says they haven't posted content...
...while this is likely true at the time, I'm of the opinion is that she posted this to strengthen her previous two posts in why scumreading her is not effective.

I mean, yeah. They were imo scummier than me so I was trying to feel out why I was being voted compared to them and trying to figure out who on my wagon was being opportunistic.

586 and 587 is

Sky

defending her townread on

Elbirn

and brings up her scumreads...
Where's her vote on any of them?

indecisiveness? can't remember why I didn't vote

Sky

is almost virtually parroting people's reads who aren't being suspected, this was more true before she explained her townreads, though.

I mean I clearly explained my thought processes, just after the fact, so I'm not sure if this point holds up.

[Skygazer]

Spoiler: hi taly part 2

718 Oh look,

Sky's

posting a scumread on

Hit

while asking me questions.
Didn't she already say she felt

Dave (my slot

was scum, alongside

Flub

and

Chickadee

earlier??? If I'm misreading? I don't know where her reads are at and her vote's not following it since it's not being used.

I mean, I was agreeing with Andrius, one of my biggest townreads, he made a valid point about HitAlt that I hadn't thought about and I agreed with it. Generally when I don't know what's going on I like to look at my strong townreads that seem to have it together for some guidance. I don't see how me asking you a question is a point against me? You were criticizing me for not asking questions or trying to gamesolve and now that I asked a question you find it scummy? It feels like you're just tunnelling me/trying to find stuff to scumread me for.[/quote]

767

Sky

votes

Hit

out of her presumably multiple suspects because...

Hit's

becoming the playerlist's public enemy?
If she really thought

Hit

were scum, why is she voting him for

"pressure"

?

Pressure can be applied to your scumreads, why the scare-quotes? I had already stated at the time that I agreed with Andrius on hit, and generally I'd rather have my vote somewhere where it can actually do something[/quote]

With this... I kind of feel like

Hit

was intended to be a counterwagon to town-

Flub

. 769, 770, and 774 is her saying that she doesn't want votes on him prior to a response.

What even is a counterwagon to a town wagon?? iirc flubber hadn't shown up in a bit so I wanted to see him respond and that post came from a time when I was terrified about quick hammers

801 is

Sky

saying

Hit

is lining up mislynches through his honeypot, but doesn't expand on her individual thoughts on the reads/names he brought up.

((Which were Ausuka, Brassherald, Dave (Me), Chickadee, Sky, The Worst around this time))

I didn't say they were all mislynches, I was explaining the potential scum-motivation behind the honey pot. Like the way he was talking seemed to imply that he thought I was a mislynch and he wanted to flip me anyways so he could have lynches lined up for later. I don't see why I needed to expound on those individual reads when I was just thinking out loud.

852 and 853 is

Sky

focused on people's scumreads on her again, while stating how scummy

Hit's

reads are
...yawn.

I mean did you even see what hit was saying? He basically said he had put massive amounts of pressure on my with his vote without any reasoning and falsely called me flaily and kept stubbornly insisting there's no scum motivation in his posts without explaining why. At the time it was blatantly untrue and seemed massively scummy. Like, seriously, you have to be tunnelling me pretty hard to tell me I'm not gamesolving or asking questions and then start calling me scummy when I actually start pressing people and asking questions.

[Chickadee]

Honestly though, I'll vote with MOI

VOTE: Skygazer

[Skygazer]

Spoiler: hi taly part 3

924 is

Sky

perpetuating that

Flub's

response to me is not good.

Is this scummy? Because it really wasn't a good response even if flubber flipped town and perpetuating is such a loaded word.

Sky

gives reads in 927 but they're vague and don't really help anyone decipher why she comes to her conclusions.

I was phoneposting and said I was willing to clarify and didn't have time to go into detail at the moment.

Not fond of the follow up 931, why is bad to want to lynch someone's scumleans?

Sky

seems to have little stated reasoning behind her scumreads but

Sky

has PLENTY of people in her

"null or IDK"

list.

I wasn't saying that it was bad, I was saying that I personally don't feel as comfortable lynching people that I'm not confident are scum. If HWS feels more comfortable lynching people he's leaning on then that would explain his large lynch-pool that I initially found scummy. With that misrep it feels like you've just kind of locked yourself into tunnel mode and want to see everything I do as scummy :/ and is it wrong to not feel confident in my reads? Because it was D1, of course I'm going to have a lot of nulls then. Anyways I had already talked about flubber and hit a bit by that point, I'm not sure how that translates into little stated reasoning.

981 The only reason

Sky

has for justifying her votes and scumreads is something being

"flaily"

like it's supposed to be this elabroate case when in reality she's not doing anything to ratify her thoughts.

That's untrue, I had already talked about hit prior to this post.

983

Sky

FINALLY expands on what

"flaily"

means to her, but then also talks about it being odd that

Hit

is pushing her and

Dram

, and while it IS true technically...
...Why is

Sky

concerned about

Hit's

read on

Dram

and not

Hit's

read on the MANY other people he's suspected, including her other townreads like

Brass

and etc.

Dram and myself were the main players that hit was voting at the time, and with little reasoning.

Sky

is townreading both

Xyzzy

and

Elbirn

1087 and 1088 even in light of

Xyzzy's

post 1086 which didn't do anything.

Do I have to reevaluate my read after every post? What about xyzzy's 1086 didn't do anything?

Post-claim, and etc. this ends in

Sky

and

Elbirn

voting

Flub

in 1266 and 1268 very close between each other. With neither of them questioning this, despite

Sky's

game-long townread on

Elbirn

for not much new reasoning, and

Elbirn

gut scumreading

Sky

but never saying anytihng else about it... this is their EoD1 votes.

If I'm townreading Elbirn then why would I be questioning Elbirn's vote on a player I find scummy???

...

Elbirn

and

Sky

have had opposing reads most of the day without ever pushing the other...

As I've said before, not agreeing with someone's reads doesn't automatically mean I can't find them town.

[Nosferatu]

aight so what's the scoop on xyzzy and skygazer

why are these the top 2?

[Skygazer]

There, I can't say I haven't tried now. Taly, I think your play has been really good this game despite your scumread on me so please don't get too demotivated when I flip town, keep pushing people and gamesolving like you have and we can probably win the game.

[Skygazer]

aight so what's the scoop on xyzzy and skygazer

why are these the top 2?

I'll defer this to someone else because I'm a tad biased in regards to both of us :p

[Nosferatu]

ill hear it from someone else eventually, the bias doesnt really matter to me

[Skygazer]

Taly has a pretty substantial case against me/A50's slot/xyzzy in 1725, 1726, and 1727 which I just finally responded to above

I think a lot of the votes on xyzzy come down to lurking but xyzzy had a town reaction to a hammer that was later nullified by Andrius's replace out due to Pine's policy and I like a lot of xyzzy's D1 posting

[brassherald]

UNVOTE:

I've got lots of catching up to do. I'll be around after court today to do so.

[profii]

I'm with Rask a bit, it might just be I'm not familiar enough to say Xyzzy did a town after that faux-lynch. There is something that irks me about how that whole thing transpired which I might check with Pine...

I've read HWS and Elbirn/a50 and see where they come from I guess I kinda just don't trust Taly because he was gunning for me.

I'd push to lynch either xyzzy or sky today.

[Skygazer]

Seriously? Xyzzy was, as far as everyone knew, lynched, and said that they were town in what was supposed to be twilight. Like unless xyzzy has a history of twilight trolling or knew they weren't actually lynched (not really possible since Pine hadn't gotten online to resolve the whole thing until afterwards) then I don't see how xyzzy can still be scum to some people. There has to be some frustrated scum in the group that's doubling down on this and trying to push the lynch through anyways. By that I mean A50 and profii

[Skygazer]

Didn't realize the profii wagon was bigger than the A50 wagon until literally just now

VOTE: profii

[Taly]

I'll get to the last 2 pages later today

[Taly]

Without going into full depth, I'm somewhat liking

Sky's

posts with the wagon increasing on her.

Rask

, can you pinpoint what about

xyzzy's

reaction is scum-indicative? And how the gamestate reflects them being likely scum?

It feels so weird thinking

xyzzy

is scum at the moment given EoD1... and I could see rationale for

A50

town but engaging with their posts is going to worsen my headache right now.

profii

, being distrustful towards me because I was one of about half the playerlist to think you were scum is a not a good reason.

Damn, this would be so much easier if the whole death-pool wasn't so anti-town.
It just seems like a disservice because it's apparent some townplayers don't want to lynch scum lol They're more concerned on advocating for OR rejecting a lynch on THEM.

This was why I felt

Sky

was town amongst them all in the first place.

[Taly]

I can't promise that I'm changing my mind on a vote/lynch for the 100th time later today

But if I'm wrong this dayphase, I'm absolving myself and almost definitively lynching the shit out of what's left of the death-pool D3, provided there's not at least a red flip there.

[Taly]

Hell, like you said

Rask

,

HWS

isn't the worst offender here with what I said but where are they?