Mini 2018 - American Presidents Mafia (Game Over)

[Gustavo]

I'll continue to engage with you when you have a post to respond to that doesn't try to hurt my feelings

you said I was scum because i didn't misgender somebody named

MOM

.

That hurt my feelings.

[Irrelephant11]

ok, sorry I hurt your feelings
I explained already that I don't actually find that more than .0001% AI, I just wanted to point it out for post game giggles since I think you're scum

[Errantparabola]

I promised I would find my most recent scumgames

and legit, the most recent one other than DDuo I could find was this one all the way back from 2016 where I made 20 posts and got vigged. That was when mykonian was still here

Before that was this legendary game and that probably has a lot of juicy content for you to sink your teeth into, I think I got lynched right before LYLO in that one.

So I saved you the trouble of having to dig through 7 pages of my threads history.

[Errantparabola]

I'd go back and take a look at what I said during those games but, ew, 17-year-old me? No thanks, I'd rather forget about that motherfucker

[BlackVoid]

One of these blowups are fake and I'm not sure which one. I'm not even sure what Errant is blowing up at as opposed to logically respond to points raised against them. I'll have lunch and come back and deconstruct his post.

@Irrelephant, I'm happy to have a discussion on why Errant is town. At this point, it doesn't seem like anyone would lynch Errant (Gustavo is just tunneling me, skitter isn't budging on her townread, you seem set on Gustavo, and Errant is not going to vote himself) so lynching Gustavo and 1v1'ing Errant tomorrow seems like the best way to assure a town win from my POV.

But if you are able to explain why you have that townread, it'll help give some insights and maybe help make a decision where we don't have to go to LYLO.

[Gustavo]

I'm not even sure what Errant is blowing up at

me neither.

[Errantparabola]

Thanks guys

[skitter30]

bv, this might be a weird thing to say but i'm getting the vibe that you kinda want me to scumread errant

also i kinda skimmed thru tw's iso again and he was shading your slot a lot when you replaced in, complaining that he didn't want to read ur posts - he had to have decided that he wanted to shade his partner basically from when u repped in

also tw's plan kinda imploded because bernie incidentally tracked him, so i'm thinking what he wanted to happen in an ideal universe - you get lynched. i'm still having a very hard believing he thought could coast on that, or that scum!you didn't bus him given that you were in a much better spot than him. i don't htink he was planning on getting lynched - he was setting this up for a day or so and was using that to coast

(like even before you repped in - now that i think about it i don't think he concocts this plot with an empty-math slot overnight. although tbf he could have just had a general 'claim pr' plan that only solidified after you rep in)

i'm trying to get over my paranoia because i think ur very very likely town here on play but it's just not something i can dismiss easily because like ... everyone's very town rn and pocketing me is how scum!you wins so i don't want to just discount that possibility

also balance-wise i'm pretty sure 1sbp needs to be a thing against goon/1srb/encryptor given nea, tracker, oddnight doc.

(i'm comparing to a normal mini where scum had: ninja + 2 goons against full rb, full gunsmith, full vig, full vanilla cop, and fbi agent (checks for sks))

[skitter30]

Conspiracy theory. Skitter/tw post claim is scum theater.

lol

[skitter30]

also can we all chillax?

[Gustavo]

Conspiracy theory. Skitter/tw post claim is scum theater.

lol

I’ve often wanted to death tunnel a scum buddy for that very reason. Wouldn’t put it past somebody from trying it.

[Irrelephant11]

whoops these are in backwards order enjoy

rip okay irre was probably fishing for a scumclaim sorry

not sure scum thinks to say this

Normally I’d be pretty pissed that somehow Nauci still finds a reason to inexplicably throw shade on me but with this many clears I’m fine with eating a lynch

this was last game day, feels honest and like he's ready to help PoE by dying. I've been here and said basically this same thing

VOTE: the worst
you had me panicked for nothing dude

This is EP's response to when Bernie suggests tw is outing EP's result, a perfect out that would have saved both scum from being lynched. Though hm, I guess when Bv flipped green they'd both have answering to do. Still, immediately voting the worst doesn't seem like the first instinct in that fast play. I know this is from around the claims which I'm supposed to be ignoring but this is more about his overarching natural towny feel this game

The worst sorry if im coming across as harsh and i dont want you to be angry or upset w me or the game
But please understand that where im coming from and how im seeing things it just doesnt make sense why you need to catch up to claim a result

Weird scum theater. Sort of pre-empting any angry!tw AtE, hard to see this as coming from scum

If BV is scum and EP is scum... why didn’t EP NK TW? Thus, if BV is scum, EP is likely town.

I just think IN GENERAL it doesnt make sense that the worst claims to me at all unless he's hard townreading me. If that's the case, that's the first i've ever heard of it.

A great point that also doesn't hard throw tw under the bus like I'd expect bussing partners to do

I tried to make an updated version of my reads list and ended up being dissatisfied with both the new one and thinking about it, the old one. So here is this abomination... it looked better in my head



also skitter should be higher it's just crowded there

I mean sure you can read this as NAI if you want but any time someone puts in extra effort in both a pro-town AND light-hearted way I townread it. It's hard to do pro-town things and look like you're having fun doing it as scum

i cant wait for mom and the worst to both inexplicably flip town and for us to lose the game

Bizarre coming from someone with information. Perfectly natural coming from a towny watching wagons move from tw to mom and back again.

That's disappointing, because I was pretty confident that if I made mathdino metadive me he'd see i'm obvious town :>
I'll be here soon.

Not sure scum would both think of this and be confident enough to say it

I'm really pumped to start playing this game in earnest, actually. Everyone seems to have a good sense for things here.

Roughly speaking, my reads fall like so:

Town:
Keyser, Bernie, Irre are varying degrees of town.
throw in the worst and Gustavo as hail-mary going out on a limb town.
Shoshin and Nauci are town with specific grains of salt.

The rest:
Dino, Gamma, Notmaf, Mom, skitter.

More reading to come later but bye for now!

I figured since you're the freshest person here I should ask you what you thought might have been missed

I'm always the freshest person here. So no rush.

No longer townreading worst.

Again, the way EP comes in with mom low in his reads and tw middle-ish, then the *next thing he does* is move tw down to the bottom too, is anti-associational 4d chess if scum


Hey it's skitter yes bring us sanity

[Gustavo]

also can we all chillax?

Hammer time?

[skitter30]

i hate having hammer :/

[Irrelephant11]

also can we all chillax?

Hammer time?

wowww this is bold from scum tho

[skitter30]

what i'm stuck on with u is that i don't think scum literally asks to be hammered to end the game here

[Gustavo]

UNVOTE:

[Irrelephant11]

lol

[Gustavo]

i hate having hammer :/

Ok I’ll hammer

[skitter30]

like this just doesn't come from scum i think?

[Gustavo]

what i'm stuck on with u is that i don't think scum literally asks to be hammered to end the game here

I’ve made my arguments why I’m not scum. I’ve defneded myself and made an argument who I do think is scum.

They’ve all been ignored. There is no point in me playing anymore regardless of my alignment. Everyone’s mind is made up so maybe my lynch will be the wake up call people need.

Idk but I’m spent and replacing out now isn’t right.

[skitter30]

also u just don't seem like the giving-up type

p-edit ok nm this can come from scum!you i guess

[skitter30]

but like if you're scum literally telling me to end the game

[Gustavo]

like this just doesn't come from scum i think?

To be fair, scum could easily do something. Technically it’s wifom.

That said, no I’m not scum but don’t let my AtE be the reason that changes your mind. If my cases didn’t convince you, stick to your guns.

[skitter30]

and i just can't imagine scum doing this

but then you have a mindset that i don't really undertand so maybe this is a thing u'd do?