Open 731: Twin Trap (Game Over)

[LastManStanding]

Votecount 1.4

With

9

alive, it takes

5

to lynch.

Inferno390

(4): Almost50, ManateeDude, Poseidon, GameNBurger (L-1)

ManateeDude

(3): Eragon, Egg, BuJaber

GameNBurger

(2): Inferno390, Fromage

Deadline

: (expired on 2018-08-14 08:00:00)

[Eragon]

@A50 do you mind unvoting

I don’t like someone just sitting at L-1, becuase scum can quickhammer if they want(bad idea, but still)

You are also the one I trust most on the wagon, so I am comfortable leaving you with a vote
Manatee is scummy IME, I don’t know how to feel about burger, and Poseidon is legit null.

[Inferno390]

@Eragon
So you think that I’m for sure scum, but you don’t want my lynch?
And why would you suggest that I would get quick hammered by my partner, should I be scum?

[Fromage]

Right now, I'm also short of time. I'm going to look at inferno's meta on Tuesday with or without his explanations.

[Eragon]

I don’t want a quick hammer.

Ex: if your scum you could hammer yourself and rid us of 11 days of day-talk, which is town’s greatest weapon.
And you could hammer yourself.

You could get quick hammered by your partner except the fact that, if your scum, you partner is already on the wagon

[Fromage]

I don’t like someone just sitting at L-1, becuase scum can quickhammer if they want(bad idea, but still)

Apart from you, the only people off the wagon are egg, Bujaber and me. We have all more or less expressed scepticism against quicklynching inferno. Your post might be LAMIST.

What do you think of Burger's L-1 vote?

Pedit: A scum self-hammer isn't so bad for town.

[Eragon]

What do you mean by LAMIST? Inferno is also off the wagon, and if he is scum and wuickhamemrs, it’s bad becuase we lose ~11 days of discussion. I just don’t think it’s worth it to keep him at L-1

[Almost50]

A50 do you have recent scum open games you can link?

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=76810

[Almost50]

Tbh I’d like to get a vote off of Inferno just for safety purposes.


We have 12 days left, don’t want to risk someone hammering at all

What's the point of pushing someone to L-1 then unvoting them without either a claim or a goo reason?

[Almost50]

@A50 do you mind unvoting

I don’t like someone just sitting at L-1, becuase scum can quickhammer if they want(bad idea, but still)

You are also the one I trust most on the wagon, so I am comfortable leaving you with a vote
Manatee is scummy IME, I don’t know how to feel about burger, and Poseidon is legit null.

This is my exact lynch pool. I will unvote, but let it go on note that we should've got a claim already and Inferno didn't give one despite the fact he has been @L-1 for long enough (and has posted since too).

VOTE: GameNBurger

[Eragon]

I do think we should get a claim from Inferno even if he isnt at L-1

I can just imagine the scenario, he claims Tracker/lookout and the same-immune scum quick hammers to get rid of a PR

so L-2 is fine IME, and we still should be getting a claim

[Eragon]

so that means we have 3 at L-2.

[GameNBurger]

I’m more in agreement with Eragon when it isn’t day 1 but it is day 1 and I don’t really think any town that could quickhammer would, the one reactionary player is the target of the wagon anyways

Not to mention I think if the few people who’ve mentioned it are anything to go by, whoever did quickhammer would be crucified since there’s only a handful of possibilities:

1.inferno and Hammer vote are scum: robbing us of discussion, but we nail half the mafia on first day which cripples them
2. Inferno scum, hammer vote is town: just s really passionate townie that for some reasons doesn’t value the 11 extra days we have
3. Inferno is town, hammer vote is scum: scum is trigger happy to make the lynch happen
4. Inferno is town, hammer vote is town: hammer vote doesn’t value discussion and is very wrong about inferno

I don’t think either course of action would be motivated by the voters win condition


1. This would kind of make sense to possibly happen but would still greatly benefit town more than it does mafia
2. Unless someone REALLY doesn’t value discussion and doesn’t want to talk about it, this feels unlikely to me
3. I’m gonna Occam’s razor this and say this is far too risky a gambit for scum to be this impatient as most of the town scumreads inferno at this point, so they’d already got us there
4. Copy paste my thoughts for number 2 here, as the motivator for the quick hammer vote would be the same

That’s why I feel comfortable putting him at L-1, if we were playing with more impulsive players I’d be wary

In particular the thing that made me feel comfortable with inferno dying is that rather than the pressure doing anything he’s just going to continue to spew reactionary drivel and I don’t feel like this is coming from town

P edit: looks like I’mnonlonger the l-1 vote so problem solved

[BuJaber]

P edit: looks like I’mnonlonger the l-1 vote so problem solved

Lol

Like it never happened, eh?

What kinda logic is this?!

[GameNBurger]

P edit: looks like I’mnonlonger the l-1 vote so problem solved

Lol

Like it never happened, eh?

What kinda logic is this?!

The logic that never claimed that nobody should bother or talk about or that never claimed it never happened, but mererely claimed I don’t have to do anything about it at all now

[Eragon]

[BuJaber]

I'm not so sure Eragon is town anymore. The quickhammer talk reads fake to me. Got my eye on you.

Manatee got significant pressure early on (first to L-2 I think) and still doesn't seem interested in posting more/ posting anything useful.
You realize his entire ISO is pretty much going back and forth on inferno?

[GameNBurger]

Sorry, I should never phone post in the morning

Point is I never said what bujaber is extracting from my words, now that inferno isn’t at L-1, I don’t have to do jack

But I never said that it’s as if I never voted, just that I have zero reason to change my vote now

Sorrry about the confusing blurb in the previous post

[GameNBurger]

I'm not so sure Eragon is town anymore. The quickhammer talk reads fake to me. Got my eye on you.

Manatee got significant pressure early on (first to L-2 I think) and still doesn't seem interested in posting more/ posting anything useful.
You realize his entire ISO is pretty much going back and forth on inferno?

So question, what are your reads currently if they are soildnright now?

Also I’ll second this again that manatee should think about playing the game

[BuJaber]

In my defense I read it the wrong way at first. I thought you were actually trying to say that since inferno isn't at L-1 anymore that people don't have to discuss your L-1 vote anymore. Which made me laugh.

[GameNBurger]

In my defense I read it the wrong way at first. I thought you were actually trying to say that since inferno isn't at L-1 anymore that people don't have to discuss your L-1 vote anymore. Which made me laugh.

Ah I see that makes more sense

Yeah that would be bad

[BuJaber]

When did I say they were solid?

Liking Egg for town
Leaning town for fromage even though that eragon vote earlier urks me, his posts are giving off genuine scumhunting vibes. Inferno too would be a townlean for the reasons mentioned on page 6.

Poseidon - needs to post more
Burger - can't tell.

A50 i've got down as neutral because it isn't about lack of analyzable posts, it's that I'm not sure how to place him. Looks townie on the surface but I have this feeling that that's because he's trying to look town.
Eragon I liked some of his walls but this hammer talk really doesn't seem genuine. I'm also not sure why he's that worried about a hammer this early. Maybe it's something he's seen a lot but I haven't seen it often in my experience. (Talking about early hammer with deadline still a little ways to go)

Manatee looks scummy

[GameNBurger]

My bad I didn’t mean to imply they were solid, I was asking if they were solid

I have a feeling inferno isn’t going to claim, I still want to wait for his response tho

[Eragon]

I'm not so sure Eragon is town anymore. The quickhammer talk reads fake to me. Got my eye on you.

Manatee got significant pressure early on (first to L-2 I think) and still doesn't seem interested in posting more/ posting anything useful.
You realize his entire ISO is pretty much going back and forth on inferno?

I think its because on my homesite everything happens at L-2, thats when people claim, thats where the basis is, putting someone to L-1 is basically like lynching someone.

[Eragon]

{BuJaBer, Fromage, Almost50}
{Egg, poseidon}
{GameNBurger}
{Inferno, Manatee}

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