NY 213 - Game Over!

[Tchill13]

creature rambled for like 300 posts.

TBG joined wheme after he was more than likely gonna be lynched.

vax can be town. I dont see vax jumping off wheme onto PP with a scum partner. I'm more confident of my Sajj read.

[Krazy]

whats your deal? You didn't have any problems with me until i mentioned TBG's interactions with wheme, a minor part of my major SR of him. Now im confscum?

what the hell man?

I don't say you're confscum in that post, I say you're not obvtown. You've been null the entire game because I currently have no metric to separate wrong!tchill from scum!tchill. I was wondering why he thinks you're town, when presently I don't understand how anyone would see you as anything other than null, maybe null/leanscum in the case of Ank (who is going purely off VCA it seems).

[JarJarDrinks]

Well aside from the other obvious difference of me being on the wagon early and you kust attaching ur name to it when all the momentum had already built up.

Alright, this one is just straight fabrication.

We voted it

one page

apart, with only

one vote

between us. I literally voted him within hours of you doing the same.

OK I assume u checked before posting this so I'll assume it's true. I retract that point.

[TehBrawlGuy]

Wheme is dead to rights here, L-2 before TBG even votes btw.

No, and you and JJD need to get your fucking facts straight because I'm sick of correcting you on literally black and white matters of fact.

Wheme was at 7 votes, L-5, when I first voted him. PP was at 8 votes, and L-4 when that happen.

Gamma voted 300 posts later, after Wheme's awful stalling and claim.

[Tchill13]

and a game I self hammered as doctor because I was frustrated that people didn’t believe my claim because I didn’t claim flavor?

Get your bs out of here

So when your frustrated as town you care about what happens after you get lynched? When your not frustrated all you care about is surviving?

mhm thinking about it it's actually very similar to his first newbie and yet he's playing different
nah fuck dis s*** I think wheme is actually scum
VOTE: Whemestar

and lets be brutally honest here.

a majority of krazys reason for gamma scum comes from this posts. A post that would be the most awkward bus i've ever seen if scum with wheme.

krazy has tunneled gamma ever since. keeping him from having to give many stances on other players.

Krazy hard defended TBG. Pretty much called me scum for trying to get his lynch on info that doesn't make the case but adds to it.

Krazy is trying to give TBG cred for joining the wheme wagon "when it was still up in the air" which is an outright lie.

[Tchill13]

Day 2 VC #33

Golden Robster (0) -
Creature (0) -
Kublai Khan (1) - Andriod18 (2533)

WhemeStar (10) (L-2) - Flavor Leaf (2958), PenguinPower (2962), Wavemode (

2966

3115), Hopkirk (3008), Kublai Khan (3027), JarJarDrinks (3030), Scioness Sajj (3034), Lalendra (3097), Golden Robster (3099), Vaxkiller (3112)

Hopkirk (0) -
EspeciallyTheLies (0) -
JarJarDrinks (1) - Dunnstral (2206)
Andriod18 (1) - Pine (1936)
Texcat (0) -
TehBrawlGuy (1) - Ausuka (3023)
Vaxkiller (0) -
Wavemode (0) -
PenguinPower (5) - EspeciallyTheLies (1996), Myloninja13 (2437), Creature (2835), WhemeStar (2930), Gamma Emerald (2990)
Myloninja13 (1) - Texcat (2552)
Scioness Sajj (0) -
Flavor Leaf (0) -
Not Voting (2) - Frozen Angel, TehBrawlGuy (3196)

Lynch Threshold

During day 2, it takes 12 votes to lynch a player.

Deadline

Day 2 ends on July 14, 2018 8:15 PM EDT (GMT-4:00) or in (expired on 2018-07-14 20:15:00).

Moderator Notes

WhemeStar is V/LA on July 14.
Seeking a replacement for EspeciallyTheLies (who requested it) and Andriod18 (who failed to pick up their prod).
Prodded Pine and Creature. They have (expired on 2018-07-14 15:25:53) to respond in-thread

with game-relevant content

(that last part applies only to Pine).

Unless I find a replacement before the end of the day, there are no plans to extend the day's deadline.

If you have consistent weekend V/LA, you must remind me every weekend, or I will prod you. Alternatively, you can set V/LA tags each weekend.
If you notice any mistakes, please point them out. (That includes looking at the voting history.)

Spoiler: Current Voting History

Day 2

Dunnstral: Myloninja13 (1942) --> JarJarDrinks (2206)
Golden Robster: Hopkirk (2078) --> (Null) (2096) --> PenguinPower (2112) --> Scioness Sajj (2152) --> Vaxkiller (2171) --> (Null) (2288) --> Creature (2299) --> WhemeStar (2304) --> Wavemode (2367) --> Scioness Sajj (2432) --> TehBrawlGuy (2526) --> Flavor Leaf (2642) --> (Null) (2783) --> PenguinPower (2979) --> WhemeStar (3099)
Pine: Andriod18 (1936)
Creature: Myloninja13 (1941) --> PenguinPower (2835)
Kublai Khan: Flavor Leaf (1944) --> (Null) (2366) --> Vaxkiller (2423) --> PenguinPower (2899) --> WhemeStar (3027)
WhemeStar: Vaxkiller (2245) --> JarJarDrinks (2301) --> Flavor Leaf (2542) --> PenguinPower (2930)
Hopkirk: Andriod18 (2197) --> Kublai Khan (2346) --> (Null) (2781) ==> (Null) (2782) --> WhemeStar (3008)
Gamma Emerald: Kublai Khan (2488) --> Golden Robster (2839) --> (Null) (2867) --> PenguinPower (2990)

Ausuka

: PenguinPower (1960) --> Myloninja13 (2434) --> Flavor Leaf (2504) --> (Null) (2573) --> Myloninja13 (2574) --> TehBrawlGuy (3023)
Lalendra: Vaxkiller (2184) --> JarJarDrinks (2334) --> Andriod18 (2503) --> Flavor Leaf (2657) --> (Null) (2705) --> PenguinPower (2809) --> WhemeStar (3097)
EspeciallyTheLies: PenguinPower (1996)
JarJarDrinks: Andriod18 (1945) --> EspeciallyTheLies (2041) --> (Null) (2066) --> Andriod18 (2192) --> Flavor Leaf (2327) --> (Null) (2612) --> Flavor Leaf (2640) --> (Null) (2755) --> Andriod18 (2943) --> WhemeStar (3030)
Andriod18: JarJarDrinks (2116) --> Kublai Khan (2533)
Texcat: ArcAngel9 (1987) --> Myloninja13 (2552)
ArcAngel9 (1): Texcat (2072)
TehBrawlGuy: (Null) (2535) --> Wavemode (2690) --> WhemeStar (3062) --> (Null) (3118) --> WhemeStar (3165) --> (Null) (3196)
Vaxkiller: WhemeStar (2343) --> Myloninja13 (2472) --> PenguinPower (3012) --> WhemeStar (3112)
Wavemode: Texcat (2044) --> Andriod18 (2331) --> Flavor Leaf (2635) --> (Null) (2800) --> WhemeStar (2966) ==> WhemeStar (3115)
PenguinPower: Myloninja13 (1947) --> Kublai Khan (2572) --> Flavor Leaf (2709) --> Myloninja13 (2759) --> Golden Robster (2775) --> (Null) (2894) --> WhemeStar (2962)
Myloninja13: PenguinPower (2437)
Scioness Sajj: Andriod18 (2904) --> WhemeStar (3034)
Flavor Leaf: JarJarDrinks (2205) --> Kublai Khan (2499) --> PenguinPower (2715) --> Golden Robster (2774) --> WhemeStar (2958)

Spoiler: Previous Voting History

Day 1

Note: * = Hammer Vote

Note: ^ = Vote after hammer vote.

Dunnstral (5):

Osuka

(77) --> Texcat (1388) --> Lalendra (1623) -->

Osuka

(1758) -->

Performer

(1782)

Srceenplay

(0): (Null)

Performer

(5):

Osuka

(623) --> TheRampage (909) --> Wavemode (1051) --> Andriod18 (1765) -->

Performer

(1849)*

Joral

(0): (Null)

Almost50

(8): Hopkirk (97) --> Edosurist (226) -->

Osuka

(390) -->

Ausuka

(1205) --> (Null) (1304) --> Vaxkiller (1352) --> (Null) (1380) --> Andriod18 (1460)
Fumuki (0): (Null)
Golden Robster (13):

Almost50

(177) --> Wavemode (183) -->

Osuka

(236) -->

Ausuka (317)

--> JarJarDrinks (319) --> (Null) (546) --> Vaxkiller (602) --> (Null) (1504) --> Wavemode (1588) --> (Null) (1589) --> ArcAngel9 (1770) --> Andriod18 (1784) --> (Null) (1798)
Pine (2):

Osuka

(176) --> Andriod18 (1835)
Creature (6):

Performer

(385) --> Myloninja13 (720) --> TheRampage (813) -->

Performer

(898) --> Andriod18 (1449) -->

Performer

(1846)
Kublai Khan (6):

Osuka

(76) -->

Almost50

(122) --> Scioness Sajj (388) --> JarJarDrinks (536) -->

Osuka

(725) -->

Performer

(957)
WhemeStar (3): Lalendra (234) --> JarJarDrinks (797) --> Flavor Leaf (955)
Hopkirk (9):

Osuka

(90) --> Lalendra (279) -->

Osuka

(696) --> (Null) (993) --> Wavemode (999) -->

Performer

(1273) --> (Null) (1315) -->

Performer

(1458) --> Andriod18 (1679)
Edosurist (2): Texcat (84) -->

Almost50

(222)
Gamma Emerald (3): Vaxkiller (710) --> Wavemode (1107) --> Andriod18 (1711) --> _{(Null) (1889)^}

Ausuka

(9): JarJarDrinks (89) --> Creature (104) --> Myloninja13 (429) --> (Null) (742) --> TheRampage (743) --> Wavemode (998) -->

Performer

(1604) --> Lalendra (1624) --> Andriod18 (1680)
Lalendra (3):

Almost50

(209) --> (Null) (559) -->

Performer

(1229)
EspeciallyTheLies (2):

Almost50

(83) -->

Performer

(515)
Lovebird (1): Edosurist (259)
Davesaz (1): Wavemode (1014)
Frozen Angel (3):

Performer

(1579) --> (Null) (1606) -->

Performer

(1814)
JarJarDrinks (8):

Osuka

(85) -->

Almost50

(114) --> Charles510 (186) --> Edosurist (231) -->

Osuka

(535) -->

Ausuka

(842) --> Wavemode (1112) --> Andriod18 (1410)

Osuka

(10): Wavemode (80) --> JarJarDrinks (124) --> ArcAngel9 (229) --> Pine (332) --> JarJarDrinks (353) -->

Performer

(769) --> TheRampage (771) -->

Performer

(1047) --> Vaxkiller (1359) -->

Performer

(1384)
Texcat (4):

Osuka

(79) --> Wavemode (1080) -->

Osuka

(1703) --> Andriod18 (1777)
Andriod18 (4): Kublai Khan (190) --> Lovebird (290) --> JarJarDrinks (855) -->

Performer

(1796)
ArcAngel9 (4): Texcat (81) --> TheRampage (223) --> Texcat (604) -->

Performer

(1397)
Charles510 (2): JarJarDrinks (87) --> (Null) (310)
Vaxkiller (8): JarJarDrinks (363) --> Scioness Sajj (389) --> Andriod18 (437) --> JarJarDrinks (532) --> Golden Robster (678) --> Wavemode (1078) --> TheRampage (1085) -->

Performer

(1116)
Wavemode (5): Texcat (82) --> Charles510 (131) --> (Null) (838) -->

Osuka

(867) -->

Performer

(1108)
TheRampage (3): Creature (100) --> (Null) (509) -->

Osuka

(681)
PenguinPower (1):

Performer

(1774)
Myloninja13 (4): Edosurist (233) --> JarJarDrinks (326) -->

Performer

(1554) --> Andriod18 (1787)
Scioness Sajj (4):

Ausuka

(406) --> (Null) (1325) -->

Performer

(1552) --> Andriod18 (1760)
Flavor Leaf (1): Andriod18 (1772)

Pre-Game

Dunnstral (2): Texcat (9) --> Pine (43)

Srceenplay

(1): Andriod18 (62)
Pine (1):

Osuka

(16)
Kublai Khan (1): Pine (34)
Hopkirk (1):

Osuka

(66)
Edosurist (1): Pine (42)

Osuka

(2): Pine (28) --> Wavemode (33)
Texcat (1): Pine (44)
Wavemode (1):

Osuka

(31)

VOTE: wheme

AND YOU HOP BACK ON THE WAGON AFTER HE'S MORE THAN LIKELY GONNA GET LYNCHED. THIS IS WHAT I'VE ACCUSED YOU OF. HOPPING ON THE WAGON AFTER IT'S DETERMINED HE'S THE LYNCH.

you UNVOTED. you didn't want to lynch him for a majority of the time. Thats what that means.

[JarJarDrinks]

I mean, he stated that the unvote was to keep him out of hammers length. That part I don't really have a problem with.

[Tchill13]

Wheme is dead to rights here, L-2 before TBG even votes btw.

No, and you and JJD need to get your fucking facts straight because I'm sick of correcting you on literally black and white matters of fact.

Wheme was at 7 votes, L-5, when I first voted him. PP was at 8 votes, and L-4 when that happen.

Gamma voted 300 posts later, after Wheme's awful stalling and claim.

I'm gonna go eat but TBG brought something to my attention I haven't though of until now.

Wheme has flipped scum. PP has flipped town.

Why the hell hasn't anyone looked at who hopped off the wheme wagon to start momentum, or recreate momentum on the PP wagon???

who left the PP wagon with good reason and who stayed with good reason? Who left for no reason and stayed for no reason?

Thats where my attention is going when i get back. I suggest yall do the same.

[Krazy]

JJD, you strike me as a man interested in

a lynch on someone who clearly wanted their name attached to the Wheme wagon when literally all of the possible momentum was already in

.

Can I interest you in a

hot and spicy

Gamma lynch?

[wavemode]

Wheme was NOT a sunk ship when TBG joined the wagon. There were three hundred posts, a vote from the IC and a vote indicated as available between when TBG joined the wagon and when Gamma joined the wagon. TBG helped sink the ship. Gamma joined after it was sunk.

The cases are not the same, and Gamma is way more likely to have bussed a sunk ship than TBG is to have come in and torpedoed his ally before the IC joined the wagon (IC vote was important, since it indicated the trifecta of conf-town of FL/Hop/Au, which if on scum is when scum are likely to decide the slot is lost).

Your question of why Gamma didn't immediately bussed but made a few quick questions first is worth thinking about as well. WHEN was Gamma interrogating the Wheme wagon? Most of his skepticism of it comes *before* Ausuka's vote. Ausuka's vote was the sign to bus on day 2.

take me through your logic here?

cuz first of all, anyone with common sense could look at the votes and momentum and see that wheme was likely going to be going down. sure, maybe some players might use that opportunity to try to make it not happen by pushing elsewhere or going afk. but i wouldn't consider that the *default* decision, and i certainly wouldn't be calling someone town or even likely town just because they didn't do that. it's just as likely that scum in TBG's position would just bus for cred and move on. it's one teammate, he loses nothing by putting his vote there.

in addition, gamma was still defending wheme AFTER the IC vote, so what even is your point. that it wasn't as intense? okay, let's walk with that. you're actually going to argue with a straight face that Ausuka's vote made it a sunk ship? on page 125, wheme was taken to L-1 and asked to claim, and that's not a sunk ship so Gamma defends Wheme, but 7 pages later after someone unvotes and then Dunnstral tries to build other wagons and then the IC very reluctantly brings Wheme to L-2, NOW it's a sunk ship and Gamma feels the need to bus??

[TehBrawlGuy]

you UNVOTED. you didn't want to lynch him for a majority of the time. Thats what that means.

...

busy irl so can't reply fully, but UNVOTE: wheme.

still want lynch, just bad policy to run to l-1 preclaim

UNVOTE: wheme.

still want lynch

still want lynch

...

you ... need to get your fucking facts straight because I'm sick of correcting you on literally black and white matters of fact.

[Tchill13]

I don't really care what you're "fucking sick" of.

Unvoting 5 votes out from a hammer to avoid being hammered is a weak excuse. Not buying it buddy Boi.

[TehBrawlGuy]

I unvoted him when he was at L-1, because he was at L-1.

[Tchill13]

Hmm. Maybe I'll have to go back.

[Tchill13]

Btw. "I'm fucking sick of" isn't the nicest way to show players they've got something wrong.

[TehBrawlGuy]

Btw. "I'm fucking sick of" isn't the nicest way to show players they've got something wrong.

first off, the most deeply ironic thing is that you even manage to misquote me on the

same page

as my post

Secondly, I don't care. You had things factually incorrect yesterday, I told you to cut it out, you didn't. If me using harsh language is enough to snap you out of it, well, fucking good.

[JarJarDrinks]

now that I think about it, is "you need to get your fucking facts straight" something you say to someone you're scumreading?

[Hopkirk]

'Why the hell hasn't anyone looked at who hopped off the wheme wagon to start momentum, or recreate momentum on the PP wagon???'

I think I mentioned that as a reason for Scion-scum yesterday.
Also a factor in my Vax/mylo reads.

[wavemode]

Why the hell hasn't anyone looked at who hopped off the wheme wagon to start momentum, or recreate momentum on the PP wagon???

look at robster. at 3081 the Wheme and PP wagons are even

Lalendra joins the Wheme wagon at the bottom of that page and Rob follows her. then most of Rob's posts after that are still arguing for scum!PP

i also didn't really like his arguments for scum!PP (and i argued with him about it at the time) but that's subjective

[Hopkirk]

That Gamma wagon is awful. Krazy,Vax,Mylo,Scion.

[Kublai Khan]

VOTE: TehBrawlGuy

wavemode isn't happening. Gamma Emerald's been looking better today (not great, but better). TehBrawlGuy get the vote.

[Krazy]

Tchill, put aside the vote on Wheme for a moment. Look at the rest of what Gamma has done this game.

Is Gamma doing scummy things, such as...
is Gamma.... throwing opportunistic votes on leading wagons?
is Gamma.... active lurking?

Vs., Is Gamma doing towny things, such as...
is Gamma.... trying to sort?
is Gamma.... engaged in avoiding mislynches?

The question is not "is the Wheme vote CERTAINLY a bus" -- the question is, "is the Wheme vote PLAUSIBLY a bus"
Right now your answer seems to be "it's too scummy to be scum!"
... is it tho?

[Hopkirk]

When are we going to have a push to lynch Mylo?

I kind of want to lynch Mylo first since, town or scum, his is starting to feel downright insulting. The rest of us are actually putting time into this game while all he says is 'oh I'm here'. At this point after about a dozen 'oh I'm here but prod dodge' posts I'm struggling to see it as anything but a mockery. It got worse after he realized people weren't pressuring him for it to. He's intentionally flying under the radar. He's not bothering to respond to stuff.
No matter what his alignment, his play is disrespectful and makes the game less fun.

[Hopkirk]

Whatever happened to that Texcat push yesterday from (Krazy, Scion, TBG, Creature) that was the Scion counterwagon.

[Krazy]

I kind of want to lynch Mylo first since, town or scum, his is starting to feel downright insulting.

OK Hopkirk, I get that, but look at mylo and tell me he is not a mislynch. When I say on meta, mylo is obviously town, just look at it. This is town mylo:



This is scum Mylo:



It's pretty obvious that Mylo only tries when he is scum. Town mylo just likes lynching people. Scum mylo tries to make arguments and stuff.

If you want to policy that, go for it. It's a shitty meta to rely on.

But this is town mylo. So let's maybe not mislynch today okay?