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Post Post #2875 (ISO) » Fri Aug 03, 2018 2:34 pm

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I repeat:
In post 2851, Punreader wrote:
In post 1960, Errantparabola wrote:
Commander Shepard
(3): Dunnstral,
Fire Assassin
, ManWithNoName
Shoshin
(2): Punreader, the worst
Fire Assassin
(1): Espeonage
In post 1996, Errantparabola wrote:
Shoshin
(3): Punreader, the worst,
Commander Shepard

Commander Shepard
(2):
Fire Assassin
, ManWithNoName
Fire Assassin
(1): Espeonage
In post 2076, Errantparabola wrote:
Commander Shepard
(2):
Fire Assassin
, ManWithNoName
Shoshin
(2): Punreader, the worst
Fire Assassin
(1): Espeonage
Vaxkiller
(1):
Commander Shepard
In post 2150, Errantparabola wrote:
Commander Shepard
(5):
Fire Assassin
, ManWithNoName,
Dunnstral
, Shoshin,
Vaxkiller

Shoshin
(3): Punreader, the worst,
Commander Shepard

Fire Assassin
(1): Espeonage
In post 2304, Errantparabola wrote:
Commander Shepard
(4):
Fire Assassin
,
Dunnstral
, Shoshin,
Vaxkiller

Fire Assassin
(4): Espeonage, ManWithNoName, the worst,
MariaR

Shoshin
(2): Punreader,
Commander Shepard
In post 2373, Errantparabola wrote:
Commander Shepard
(5):
Fire Assassin
, Shoshin,
Vaxkiller
,
MariaR
, DeasVail
Shoshin
(3): Punreader,
Commander Shepard
, the worst
Fire Assassin
(2): Espeonage, guacamole
DeasVail has a
chance
of being pun, a chance higher than that of guacamole, but would not be my first choice.
In post 2669, Errantparabola wrote:
Commander Shepard
(4):
Dunnstral
, Shoshin, Krazy/DeasVail
Fire Assassin
(1): Punreader
Shoshin
(1):
Vaxkiller
In post 2812, Errantparabola wrote:
Commander Shepard
(6):
Dunnstral
, Shoshin, Krazy/DeasVail,
Fire Assassin
,
Vaxkiller

Shoshin
(3):
Vaxkiller
,
Commander Shepard
, guacamole
Fire Assassin
(1): Punreader
Not Voting
(2): Espeonage, the worst
We know, 100% for a fact, Fire Assassin and Commander Shepherd were cross-bussing.
We know, 100% for a fact, I stated I was going to shoot Fire Assassin.
We can deduce, then, that the cross-buss between the two was not to give Fire Assassin town credit, given as how he was set to die.
We can then deduce, that if Fire Assassin was not the player being set up to get towncred, some other player was.

We can then reasonably infer, that if Fire Assassin was also set to die along side Commander Shepherd.
That Commander Shepherd was quite confident that once he flipped, his remaining two punbuddies would be positioned well enough to win.

Vaxkiller is possible in that regard because he is being cleared via a cop innocent, but as I refuse to believe in a godfather to counter a 1x cop and the redirect would not work in a way to falsely clear him, he is conftown and thus cannot be someone that's Commander Shepherd's punbuddy.

Commander Shepherd and Shoshin have been crossvoting for pretty much the entire game, with the exception of where the two one after another were the hammer on PenguinPower.
Espeonage has been voting Fire Assassin the whole game. If any player were to be cleared by Fire Assassin's flip, the assumption would be him, especially given Fire Assassin's claimed result on Espeonage.

It is simply the conclusion which makes the most sense.
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Post Post #2876 (ISO) » Fri Aug 03, 2018 2:39 pm

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In post 2304, Errantparabola wrote:
Commander Shepard
(4):
Fire Assassin
, Dunnstral, Shoshin, Vaxkiller
I would like to point out.
During that night, Commander Shepherd asked me to shoot him.
Had he died, Fire Assassin would have gained a soul.


Fire Assassin had no souls the entire game because he was always on the lynch of the day; he never got to use his role.

Commander Shepherd lobbying for his own death that night would then be a win-win.

If he didn't die, then he would end up doing exactly what happened; if he did die, then Fire Assassin would have a roleblock to use.
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Post Post #2877 (ISO) » Fri Aug 03, 2018 2:42 pm

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I strongly disagree with that, unless you're 100% convinced that you successfully roleblocked him (how do you know?) and that there's only 1 scum left... otherwise DV is still on the table. Reading through D1, there's an early interaction between DV and Fire that looks very bad for DV (specifically his shitty early townread on Fire, which didn't make sense to me back then and makes even less sense upon a reread).
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Post Post #2878 (ISO) » Fri Aug 03, 2018 2:45 pm

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In post 154, ActionDan wrote:Ok read up.

I'm giving screenplay a permanent 0 for 105

Other people low on the totem pole are Chara/Deas/Brawl though for Chara/Deas there were different points where each talking about Chara being townread for spurious reasons redeemed them a tad. Also I think it's clear they aren't scum together.

Brawl for this:
In post 142, TehBrawlGuy wrote:
fire scums

@dunn and espeonage: do you just need him to be higher/lower than an average, or a certain mark? because we as a town could give him all 0s or all 10s to guarantee one of you gets the power
Thought process here is manufactured

Espe came off as stilted earlier but considering w.e this role mechanic that's going on between Dunnstral/Espe/Vax/FA might explain that somewhat aside from the fact that Espe's continued serious scum read on FA doesn't make sense to me.
This clears Espe. I doubt scum talk about their partner in the way AD talks about Espe here.

The 0 on Screen suggests that Screen's town, but it's not a lock.
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Post Post #2879 (ISO) » Fri Aug 03, 2018 2:47 pm

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My roleblock is both fucking delayed and limited to two shots. If it can also be denied then this setup is shit. I am choosing not to believe that right now so DV is off the table for today.

I have yet to hear someone say they got a cat last night.
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Post Post #2880 (ISO) » Fri Aug 03, 2018 2:52 pm

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This is is really fucking weird because I almost feel like Shoshin is trying to talk me into concluding he's the GF.

Shoshin, you're saying: The worst is town, Espe is town, and Screen/guac are town. Pun killed FA? DV didn't make the nightkill. And I didn't make the nightkill. So who the fuck is the scum that made the nightkill, Shoshin?

Either you're wrong about one of Espe/Screen/the worst, Vax is a godfather, or you just hardclaimed scum. (From my pov)
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Post Post #2881 (ISO) » Fri Aug 03, 2018 2:53 pm

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I'm working my way through the game and just posting my thoughts as I do so that I don't forget them.
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Post Post #2882 (ISO) » Fri Aug 03, 2018 2:54 pm

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I haven't settled my read on anyone yet, that'll come when I finish rereading.
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Post Post #2883 (ISO) » Fri Aug 03, 2018 3:01 pm

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Post Post #2884 (ISO) » Fri Aug 03, 2018 3:06 pm

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Moreover, it's all one action. The roleblock is a consequence of the same action that merged our votes. So I already have confirmation that the night action targeting DV worked since our votes were merged yesterday.
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Post Post #2885 (ISO) » Fri Aug 03, 2018 3:07 pm

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duckies can't type lmao

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Post Post #2886 (ISO) » Fri Aug 03, 2018 3:09 pm

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is u da maf?

If not, who made the scum nightkill. Choices are: Shoshin, guac, espe, (Vax?).
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Post Post #2887 (ISO) » Fri Aug 03, 2018 3:11 pm

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Can scum act and kill in the same night?
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Post Post #2888 (ISO) » Fri Aug 03, 2018 3:13 pm

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Are you saying the scum is John Wilkes Booth?
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Post Post #2889 (ISO) » Fri Aug 03, 2018 3:16 pm

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shitttt good pickup
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Post Post #2890 (ISO) » Fri Aug 03, 2018 3:20 pm

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Shosh, I am nowhere near a labyrinth gladiator moment with you here. is there something I should be looking for that I'm not seeing?
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Post Post #2891 (ISO) » Fri Aug 03, 2018 3:25 pm

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I'm holding out hope that someone else will town case me so that I don't have to, because it's obviously going to be a lot more convincing coming from someone else than me, but there's some massive towntells I dropped throughout the game, especially on D2 in my interactions with Penguin/Shepard and then the way I lobbied for a lynch on Shepard over Penguin. I suggest rereading (with context) because it's pretty clear I wouldn't have lobbied that way as scum.
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Post Post #2892 (ISO) » Fri Aug 03, 2018 3:26 pm

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Anyway, I'm going to be pretty obvious town before I ever allow myself to get lynched, like in Laybrinth, especially now that we have some flips. I really needed those flips for the motivation. Like, if I were scum, you'd be seeing a massive drop in my motivation right now. I'm sort of defeatist scum in that way.
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Post Post #2893 (ISO) » Fri Aug 03, 2018 3:32 pm

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honestly I'm used to being NK'd when scum are rolling a game so I haven't really been sure what to work with. the b2b red flips are getting me a little excited and I'm trying to work out if I'm close to breaking this game or not.
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Post Post #2894 (ISO) » Fri Aug 03, 2018 3:35 pm

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With your role? Can you just claim?
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Post Post #2895 (ISO) » Fri Aug 03, 2018 3:35 pm

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At this point, you should know I'm probably going to ignore any results you have either way.
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Post Post #2896 (ISO) » Fri Aug 03, 2018 3:40 pm

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In post 489, Srceenplay wrote:Ok. New scum team.
Espe
Pp
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Low points
DV
The Worst
Nico
Action
I have a meta question about Screen. Is he usually this focused on what's scummy? Like, most townies tend to have a balance of townreads along with scumreads, but Screen seems to only look for scummy things. That's actually a scum-tell for some players, but not sure if it's one for Screen.
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Post Post #2897 (ISO) » Fri Aug 03, 2018 3:42 pm

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LMFAO don't worry it's not a good role. I've kinda crumbed it
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Post Post #2898 (ISO) » Fri Aug 03, 2018 3:55 pm

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not pulling some fake guilty nonsense
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Post Post #2899 (ISO) » Fri Aug 03, 2018 4:04 pm

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In post 942, Shoshin wrote: 10 - myself
10 - Taly
10 - Chara
9 - the worst
8 - TBG
7 - Screen
6 - DV
6 - Dunn
5 - Pun
5 - Vax
4 - Nico
4 - Nahdia
3 - Espeonage
2 - Fire
1 - Pine
0 - Lovebird
0 - Penguin
0 - MariaR
Making my way through the game, just realized my rankings really should clear me.

I ranked Nico a 4, Vax a 5, Nahdia a 4, and Fire a 2. It's just not how scum would have played that. Scum coordinated at least to some extent on Nico/Vax as 0s or otherwise low, and there's no way scum rank two partners as low as I ranked Nahdia/Fire.

Something to think about.
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