NY 213 - Game Over!

[Ircher]

Day 5 VC #9

Krazy (2) - Wavemode (5263), Hopkirk (5265)

Gamma Emerald (5) - Krazy (5115), Vaxkiller (5121), Scioness Sajj (5309), Myloninja13 (5394), Creature (5397)

JarJarDrinks (0) -
TehBrawlGuy (4) - Tchill13 (5174), Golden Robster (5311), JarJarDrinks (5422), Kublai Khan (5520)
Vaxkiller (0) -
Wavemode (2) - Ankamius (5168), TehBrawlGuy (5373)
Not Voting (3) - Texcat, Gamma Emerald, Skygazer (5480)

Lynch Threshold

During day 5, it takes 9 votes to lynch a player.

Deadline

Day 5 ends on August 8, 2018 8:45 PM EDT (GMT-4:00) or in (expired on 2018-08-08 20:45:00).

Moderator Notes

If you have consistent weekend V/LA, you must remind me every weekend, or I will prod you. Alternatively, you can set V/LA tags each weekend.
Moderator is V/LA from August 10 to August 21. (Hopefully I'll be around during that time, but if not, I'm sure Not Known 15 will cover for me.)
Scioness Sajj is V/LA until August 6.
If you notice any mistakes, please point them out. (That includes looking at the voting history.)

Spoiler: Current Voting History

Golden Robster: TehBrawlGuy (5311)
Krazy: Gamma Emerald (5115)
Creature: Gamma Emerald (5397)
Kublai Khan: Wavemode (5305) --> TehBrawlGuy (5520)
Hopkirk: Krazy (5265)
Tchill13: Vaxkiller (5135) --> TehBrawlGuy (5139) ==> TehBrawlGuy (5174)
Skygazer: Wavemode (5439) --> (Null) (5480)
JarJarDrinks: TehBrawlGuy (5422)
Ankamius: Wavemode (5168)
TehBrawlGuy: JarJarDrinks (5126) --> Wavemode (5373)
Vaxkiller: Krazy (5118) --> Gamma Emerald (5121)
Wavemode: Krazy (5263)
Myloninja13: Gamma Emerald (5394)
Scioness Sajj: Gamma Emerald (5309)

Spoiler: Previous Voting History

Day 4

* - Hammer Vote

Dunnstral

(1): Texcat (4670)
Golden Robster (2): Scioness Sajj (4681) -->

Dunnstral

(5019)
Krazy (3): Texcat (4669) --> Gamma Emerald (4859) -->

Dunnstral

(5104*)
Creature (3): Scioness Sajj (4665) --> Texcat (4745) -->

Dunnstral

(4817)
Hopkirk (5): Scioness Sajj (4672) --> (Null) (4848) --> Scioness Sajj (4857) --> Vaxkiller (4992) --> Golden Robster (5062)
Gamma Emerald (1):

Dunnstral

(4847)
Tchill13 (6): Scioness Sajj (4707) -->

Dunnstral

(4822) --> Scioness Sajj (4863) -->

Dunnstral

(4988) --> (Null) (5064) --> TehBrawlGuy (5102)
Skygazer (4): Scioness Sajj (4717) --> Texcat (4888) --> (Null) (4894) -->

Dunnstral

(4973)
JarJarDrinks (2): Scioness Sajj (4674) -->

Dunnstral

(4815)
Ankamius (3): Tchill13 (4756) --> Texcat (5002) --> Krazy (5049)
Texcat (1):

Dunnstral

(4829)
TehBrawlGuy (1): Texcat (4710)
Vaxkiller (1): Scioness Sajj (4721)
Wavemode (2): Scioness Sajj (4854) -->

Dunnstral

(5071)

PenguinPower

(2): Scioness Sajj (4713) -->

Dunnstral

(4819)
Myloninja13 (3):

Dunnstral

(4837) --> Gamma Emerald (4965) -->

Dunnstral

(5059)
Scioness Sajj (2): Texcat (4675) --> (Null) (4895)

Day 3

* - Hammer vote
^ - Vote occurred after hammer

Dunnstral

(2): Myloninja13 (3463) --> Texcat (4162)
Golden Robster (3):

Dunnstral

(3559) --> TehBrawlGuy (4208) --> Creature (4255)
Pine (0):
Krazy (3):

Dunnstral

(3978) --> Texcat (4161) --> Gamma Emerald (4392)
Creature (8): Texcat (3472) -->

Lalendra

(3681) --> Texcat (3744) --> Myloninja13 (4013) --> Texcat (4165) -->

Lalendra

(4213) --> Kublai Khan (4260) -->

Lalendra

(4284)
Kublai Khan (7): Creature (3511) -->

Lalendra

(4033) --> TehBrawlGuy (4184) --> Creature (4240) -->

Lalendra

(4308) --> Gamma Emerald (4416) -->

Lalendra

(4557)
Hopkirk (3):

Lalendra

(3661) --> Myloninja13 (4082) -->

Lalendra

(4339)
Gamma Emerald (3):

Lalendra

(3913) --> (Null) (3954) --> Myloninja13 (4073)

Ausuka

(4): Myloninja13 (3640) -->

Lalendra

(3677) --> Myloninja13 (4010) -->

Lalendra

(4286)

Lalendra

(3): TehBrawlGuy (3719) --> Myloninja13 (4130) --> Creature (4384)
Tchill13 (3):

Lalendra

(3690) --> Myloninja13 (4082) -->

Lalendra

(4215)
Frozen Angel (0):
Skygazer (1):

Lalendra

(4564)
JarJarDrinks (5): Creature (3616) --> (Null) (3694) -->

Lalendra

(3695) -->

Dunnstral

(3704) -->

Lalendra

(3721)
Ankamius (3):

Lalendra

(3801) --> (Null) (4044) --> Creature (4239)
Texcat (1): Myloninja13 (3637)
TehBrawlGuy (4): JarJarDrinks (3466) --> Texcat (3790) --> Creature (4245) --> Gamma Emerald (4421)
Vaxkiller (3): Kublai Khan (4004) --> Myloninja13 (4214) -->

Lalendra

(4220)
Wavemode (2): TehBrawlGuy (3468) -->

Lalendra

(3716) --> _{Ankamius (4600^)}

PenguinPower

(3): Texcat (3473) --> Myloninja13 (3643) -->

Lalendra

(3678)
Myloninja13 (2):

Dunnstral

(3765) --> Creature (4252)
Scioness Sajj (3): Texcat (3756) --> Creature (4338) -->

Lalendra

(4577*)

Day 2

Note: * - Hammer Vote

Dunnstral

(4): Myloninja13 (1942) --> JarJarDrinks (2206) -->

PenguinPower

(3242) --> TehBrawlGuy (3248)
Golden Robster (17): Hopkirk (2078) --> (Null) (2096) -->

PenguinPower

(2112) --> Scioness Sajj (2152) --> Vaxkiller (2171) --> (Null) (2288) --> Creature (2299) -->

WhemeStar

(2304) --> Wavemode (2367) --> Scioness Sajj (2432) --> TehBrawlGuy (2526) -->

Flavor Leaf

(2642) --> (Null) (2783) -->

PenguinPower

(2979) -->

WhemeStar

(3099) --> (Null) (3284) -->

WhemeStar

(3286)
Pine (1): Andriod18 (1936)
Creature (3): Myloninja13 (1941) -->

PenguinPower

(2835) -->

WhemeStar

(3453*)
Kublai Khan (5):

Flavor Leaf

(1944) --> (Null) (2366) --> Vaxkiller (2423) -->

PenguinPower

(2899) -->

WhemeStar

(3027)

WhemeStar

(4): Vaxkiller (2245) --> JarJarDrinks (2301) -->

Flavor Leaf

(2542) -->

PenguinPower

(2930)
Hopkirk (5): Andriod18 (2197) --> Kublai Khan (2346) --> (Null) (2781) ==> (Null) (2782) -->

WhemeStar

(3008)
Gamma Emerald (5): Kublai Khan (2488) --> Golden Robster (2839) --> (Null) (2867) -->

PenguinPower

(2990) -->

WhemeStar

(3318)

Ausuka

(7):

PenguinPower

(1960) --> Myloninja13 (2434) -->

Flavor Leaf

(2504) --> (Null) (2573) --> Myloninja13 (2574) --> TehBrawlGuy (3023) -->

WhemeStar

(3293)

Lalendra

(7): Vaxkiller (2184) --> JarJarDrinks (2334) --> Andriod18 (2503) -->

Flavor Leaf

(2657) --> (Null) (2705) -->

PenguinPower

(2809) -->

WhemeStar

(3097)
EspeciallyTheLies (1):

PenguinPower

(1996)
JarJarDrinks (10): Andriod18 (1945) --> EspeciallyTheLies (2041) --> (Null) (2066) --> Andriod18 (2192) -->

Flavor Leaf

(2327) --> (Null) (2612) -->

Flavor Leaf

(2640) --> (Null) (2755) --> Andriod18 (2943) -->

WhemeStar

(3030)
Andriod18 (2): JarJarDrinks (2116) --> Kublai Khan (2533)
Texcat (2): ArcAngel9 (1987) --> Myloninja13 (2552)
ArcAngel9 (1): Texcat (2072)
TehBrawlGuy (7): (Null) (2535) --> Wavemode (2690) -->

WhemeStar

(3062) --> (Null) (3118) -->

WhemeStar

(3165) --> (Null) (3196) -->

WhemeStar

(3233)
Vaxkiller (5):

WhemeStar

(2343) --> Myloninja13 (2472) -->

PenguinPower

(3012) -->

WhemeStar

(3112) -->

PenguinPower

(3290)
Wavemode (6): Texcat (2044) --> Andriod18 (2331) -->

Flavor Leaf

(2635) --> (Null) (2800) -->

WhemeStar

(2966) ==>

WhemeStar

(3115)

PenguinPower

(7): Myloninja13 (1947) --> Kublai Khan (2572) -->

Flavor Leaf

(2709) --> Myloninja13 (2759) --> Golden Robster (2775) --> (Null) (2894) -->

WhemeStar

(2962)
Myloninja13 (1):

PenguinPower

(2437)
Scioness Sajj (3): Andriod18 (2904) -->

WhemeStar

(3034) -->

PenguinPower

(3255)

Flavor Leaf

(5): JarJarDrinks (2205) --> Kublai Khan (2499) -->

PenguinPower

(2715) --> Golden Robster (2774) -->

WhemeStar

(2958)

Day 1

Note: * = Hammer Vote

Note: ^ = Vote after hammer vote.

Dunnstral

(5):

Osuka

(77) --> Texcat (1388) -->

Lalendra

(1623) -->

Osuka

(1758) -->

Performer

(1782)

Srceenplay

(0): (Null)

Performer

(5):

Osuka

(623) -->

TheRampage

(909) --> Wavemode (1051) --> Andriod18 (1765) -->

Performer

(1849)*

Joral

(0): (Null)

Almost50

(8): Hopkirk (97) --> Edosurist (226) -->

Osuka

(390) -->

Ausuka

(1205) --> (Null) (1304) --> Vaxkiller (1352) --> (Null) (1380) --> Andriod18 (1460)
Fumuki (0): (Null)
Golden Robster (13):

Almost50

(177) --> Wavemode (183) -->

Osuka

(236) -->

Ausuka (317)

--> JarJarDrinks (319) --> (Null) (546) --> Vaxkiller (602) --> (Null) (1504) --> Wavemode (1588) --> (Null) (1589) --> ArcAngel9 (1770) --> Andriod18 (1784) --> (Null) (1798)
Pine (2):

Osuka

(176) --> Andriod18 (1835)
Creature (6):

Performer

(385) --> Myloninja13 (720) -->

TheRampage

(813) -->

Performer

(898) --> Andriod18 (1449) -->

Performer

(1846)
Kublai Khan (6):

Osuka

(76) -->

Almost50

(122) --> Scioness Sajj (388) --> JarJarDrinks (536) -->

Osuka

(725) -->

Performer

(957)

WhemeStar

(3):

Lalendra

(234) --> JarJarDrinks (797) -->

Flavor Leaf

(955)
Hopkirk (9):

Osuka

(90) -->

Lalendra

(279) -->

Osuka

(696) --> (Null) (993) --> Wavemode (999) -->

Performer

(1273) --> (Null) (1315) -->

Performer

(1458) --> Andriod18 (1679)
Edosurist (2): Texcat (84) -->

Almost50

(222)
Gamma Emerald (3): Vaxkiller (710) --> Wavemode (1107) --> Andriod18 (1711) --> _{(Null) (1889)^}

Ausuka

(9): JarJarDrinks (89) --> Creature (104) --> Myloninja13 (429) --> (Null) (742) -->

TheRampage

(743) --> Wavemode (998) -->

Performer

(1604) -->

Lalendra

(1624) --> Andriod18 (1680)

Lalendra

(3):

Almost50

(209) --> (Null) (559) -->

Performer

(1229)
EspeciallyTheLies (2):

Almost50

(83) -->

Performer

(515)
Lovebird (1): Edosurist (259)
Davesaz (1): Wavemode (1014)
Frozen Angel (3):

Performer

(1579) --> (Null) (1606) -->

Performer

(1814)
JarJarDrinks (8):

Osuka

(85) -->

Almost50

(114) --> Charles510 (186) --> Edosurist (231) -->

Osuka

(535) -->

Ausuka

(842) --> Wavemode (1112) --> Andriod18 (1410)

Osuka

(10): Wavemode (80) --> JarJarDrinks (124) --> ArcAngel9 (229) --> Pine (332) --> JarJarDrinks (353) -->

Performer

(769) -->

TheRampage

(771) -->

Performer

(1047) --> Vaxkiller (1359) -->

Performer

(1384)
Texcat (4):

Osuka

(79) --> Wavemode (1080) -->

Osuka

(1703) --> Andriod18 (1777)
Andriod18 (4): Kublai Khan (190) --> Lovebird (290) --> JarJarDrinks (855) -->

Performer

(1796)
ArcAngel9 (4): Texcat (81) -->

TheRampage

(223) --> Texcat (604) -->

Performer

(1397)
Charles510 (2): JarJarDrinks (87) --> (Null) (310)
Vaxkiller (8): JarJarDrinks (363) --> Scioness Sajj (389) --> Andriod18 (437) --> JarJarDrinks (532) --> Golden Robster (678) --> Wavemode (1078) -->

TheRampage

(1085) -->

Performer

(1116)
Wavemode (5): Texcat (82) --> Charles510 (131) --> (Null) (838) -->

Osuka

(867) -->

Performer

(1108)

TheRampage

(3): Creature (100) --> (Null) (509) -->

Osuka

(681)

PenguinPower

(1):

Performer

(1774)
Myloninja13 (4): Edosurist (233) --> JarJarDrinks (326) -->

Performer

(1554) --> Andriod18 (1787)
Scioness Sajj (4):

Ausuka

(406) --> (Null) (1325) -->

Performer

(1552) --> Andriod18 (1760)

Flavor Leaf

(1): Andriod18 (1772)

Pre-Game

Dunnstral

(2): Texcat (9) --> Pine (43)

Srceenplay

(1): Andriod18 (62)
Pine (1):

Osuka

(16)
Kublai Khan (1): Pine (34)
Hopkirk (1):

Osuka

(66)
Edosurist (1): Pine (42)

Osuka

(2): Pine (28) --> Wavemode (33)
Texcat (1): Pine (44)
Wavemode (1):

Osuka

(31)

[Krazy]

Whatever happened to that Texcat push yesterday from (Krazy, Scion, TBG, Creature) that was the Scion counterwagon.

Dunn was the counter-wagon to both Scion and Texcat. Scion and Texcat were opposing wagons that were racing. Texcat did not emerge in response to Scion, it predated it. Your shade-throwing is objectively false. If you want to say a counter-wagon emerged in response to Scion, look at Dunn. Who was on Dunn? GAMMA AND TEXCAT.

If you want to say scum-scion sheeped me on Texcat, and that I'm wrong on Texcat, you're welcome to make that argument. In fact, I've been fucking waiting for that argument (that texcat is town) for like two days now. "Texcat is town because Hopkirk says he's town" with 0 explanation. If I'm wrong, consider the fucking possibility I'm town and that I'd like to know why I'm wrong.

And you're also ignoring your own impact on the game. Dunn was lynched in part because you keep insisting Texcat is town with zero evidence, which was derailing the force of that wagon. You're assuming me and Dunn were wrong on Texcat when I have just as much reason to graveyard-sheep Dunn on Texcat as I am to believe your reads. If you won't prove ME wrong on Texcat, then maybe prove DUNN wrong on Texcat, since that was the hill he died on.

[Scioness Sajj]

come on Krazy

questionable townreads are not something we talk about this game, you should know that already

[Hopkirk]

Not really liking Ircher's early attack on lefty, I understand it was still RVS but I'm not thinking it was justified. And Ircher swapped to a town read on him with few posts that didn't read as particularly townish from me too.

I'm liking Draynth but It's probably less to do with me finding him town and more that he's being calm and working through things.

Okay, Ircher explained he was mostly trolling in regards to him attacking Lefty, which makes more sense.

I've played with both Una's town and scum games, and I personally think this is closer to his scum game, but I'll wait to see how it progresses.

Lefty is playing quite strong here.

Not liking FC so far, especially the duo of posts 110 111

Kernel is a town lean so far.

I want to town lean OnlyIAmMe for a few posts like 133 and 134 but I'm having a very rare gut read on them being suspicious here. I can't really explain it, but I can't town read them without feeling like I'm wrong.

Ircher is playing more townish now.

I'm going to have to check up on scum and town Una, because I'm seeing a few things that remind of both.

Okay, I think that's it so far. Right now I'm feeling overall most comfortable with a FChariot vote, mostly from a lack of town reads from that slot.

VOTE: FChariot

Townpost from Mylo. Shows equal effort/content to that scumpost you mentioned.
Contradicts the argument (he only puts effort when scum, so not putting effort in makes him town).

He has one scumgame which you're drawing conclusions from and it was a bad scumgame. You can see him breaking down in the scum QT, repetedly saying he doesn't know what to do. He bussed a teammate and lost hard. He keeps saying he didn't know what to do.
It's unlikely he'd repeat the exact approach when he lost badly and seemed traumatised by it. Changing to lurking to avoid hurting his teammates makes sense from that POV.

[Hopkirk]

I'll look at Tex.

[Ankamius]

sigh

[Hopkirk]

So are you saying something like (Wave/Tex/Robster/Gamma/TBG) Krazy?

[Hopkirk]

ooh 5000

[Hopkirk]

Well you probably wouldn't say Wave there.

[Hopkirk]

Tex what happened to your Wave scumread?

[Krazy]

Townpost from Mylo. Shows equal effort/content to that scumpost you mentioned.
Contradicts the argument (he only puts effort when scum, so not putting effort in makes him town).

He has one scumgame which you're drawing conclusions from and it was a bad scumgame. You can see him breaking down in the scum QT, repetedly saying he doesn't know what to do. He bussed a teammate and lost hard. He keeps saying he didn't know what to do.
It's unlikely he'd repeat the exact approach when he lost badly and seemed traumatised by it. Changing to lurking to avoid hurting his teammates makes sense from that POV.

Scion, you have made a strong case that Mylo is null based on meta. Good job.

I still think Mylo is town based on play. Mylo is also probably town this game though because:
a) Mylo keeps throwing people at L-2 in a very consistent manner, and seems largely indifferent to how he is viewed by the town. He voted up Dunn in the exact same way he voted up Wheme. This tonal consistency is why I also see TBG as probtown. Town tends to vote with a consistent tone, whereas scum needs to able to adjust course more abruptly, which is why their votes often read as fake. Scum need to be able to play up busses for town cred when ships are sinking even if they saw nothing scummy in the slot before (Gamma). If not, they avoid the bus altogether and hardlurk (Texcat).
b) texcat wants to mislynch him. Dunn was very confident in texcat scum, and texcat scum thinks Mylo is easy prey.

Mylo is probably town, he is definitely mislynch bait, and people trying to take advantage of mislynch bait on day 5 with this many flips is probably scum.

[texcat]

Tex what happened to your Wave scumread?

It was a D1 read, based in part on what was going on in the hood. I had a town read on Performer, and both Ausuka and Performer thought Wave was scum. Ausuka backed off and Wave has looked more town in later days.

[Tchill13]

you know if im scum that wants particular town players in lylo I'd probably call them mislynch bait.

[Myloninja13]

I'm back woo!

[Tchill13]

Btw. "I'm fucking sick of" isn't the nicest way to show players they've got something wrong.

first off, the most deeply ironic thing is that you even manage to misquote me on the

same page

as my post

Secondly, I don't care. You had things factually incorrect yesterday, I told you to cut it out, you didn't. If me using harsh language is enough to snap you out of it, well, fucking good.

well now im not going to look back momma told me not to cuss, it's not nice.

[Tchill13]

I'm back woo!

seriously disgusting.

[Myloninja13]

I'm back woo!

seriously disgusting.

Sorry sorry I know I've kinda been terrible this game sorry. I'm planning to take a break from mafia once I finish all my current games naturally.

Has there been any notable events?

[Tchill13]

That Gamma wagon is awful. Krazy,Vax,Mylo,Scion.

Whatever happened to that Texcat push yesterday from (Krazy, Scion, TBG, Creature) that was the Scion counterwagon.

this may sound krazy but scion is in both those pushes... with krazy.

[Tchill13]

mylo you mind informing us how many total games you're in?

[Ankamius]

I'm back woo!

What is your interpretation of time travel theory?

[Myloninja13]

That Gamma wagon is awful. Krazy,Vax,Mylo,Scion.

Whatever happened to that Texcat push yesterday from (Krazy, Scion, TBG, Creature) that was the Scion counterwagon.

this may sound krazy but scion is in both those pushes... with krazy.

I wouldn't mind voting Scion here tbh. I think Kraxy is a town lean for me though?

[Tchill13]

why is krazy town?

[Myloninja13]

why is krazy town?

I was suspicious of Gamma, and they did start that wagon so that's something. I also kiiinda just townread people who townread me for actual reasons.

[Tchill13]

Not really liking Ircher's early attack on lefty, I understand it was still RVS but I'm not thinking it was justified. And Ircher swapped to a town read on him with few posts that didn't read as particularly townish from me too.

I'm liking Draynth but It's probably less to do with me finding him town and more that he's being calm and working through things.

Okay, Ircher explained he was mostly trolling in regards to him attacking Lefty, which makes more sense.

I've played with both Una's town and scum games, and I personally think this is closer to his scum game, but I'll wait to see how it progresses.

Lefty is playing quite strong here.

Not liking FC so far, especially the duo of posts 110 111

Kernel is a town lean so far.

I want to town lean OnlyIAmMe for a few posts like 133 and 134 but I'm having a very rare gut read on them being suspicious here. I can't really explain it, but I can't town read them without feeling like I'm wrong.

Ircher is playing more townish now.

I'm going to have to check up on scum and town Una, because I'm seeing a few things that remind of both.

Okay, I think that's it so far. Right now I'm feeling overall most comfortable with a FChariot vote, mostly from a lack of town reads from that slot.

VOTE: FChariot

Townpost from Mylo. Shows equal effort/content to that scumpost you mentioned.
Contradicts the argument (he only puts effort when scum, so not putting effort in makes him town).

He has one scumgame which you're drawing conclusions from and it was a bad scumgame. You can see him breaking down in the scum QT, repetedly saying he doesn't know what to do. He bussed a teammate and lost hard. He keeps saying he didn't know what to do.
It's unlikely he'd repeat the exact approach when he lost badly and seemed traumatised by it. Changing to lurking to avoid hurting his teammates makes sense from that POV.

you know i've said it before but I really like hopkirks game. after my PP/Wheme wagons catch up I plan on havinng a discussion with you about a general sense of direction to go.

[Myloninja13]

Can I be self-meta for a bit here?