NY 213 - Game Over!

[wavemode]

u might have already mentioned it hopkirk but do you townread TBG? and why

[Ircher]

Day 5 VC #11

Golden Robster (1) - Gamma Emerald (5631)
Krazy (0) -
Gamma Emerald (2) - Krazy (5115), Myloninja13 (5394)
JarJarDrinks (0) -

TehBrawlGuy (6) (L-3) - Tchill13 (5174), Golden Robster (5311), JarJarDrinks (5422), Kublai Khan (5520), Wavemode (5579), Ankamius (5643)

Vaxkiller (0) -
Wavemode (1) - TehBrawlGuy (5373)
Myloninja13 (1) - Scioness Sajj (5642)
Scioness Sajj (4) - Creature (5577), Skygazer (5640), Hopkirk (5648), Vaxkiller (5649)
Not Voting (1) - Texcat

Lynch Threshold

During day 5, it takes 9 votes to lynch a player.

Deadline

Day 5 ends on August 8, 2018 8:45 PM EDT (GMT-4:00) or in (expired on 2018-08-08 20:45:00).

Moderator Notes

If you have consistent weekend V/LA, you must remind me every weekend, or I will prod you. Alternatively, you can set V/LA tags each weekend.
Moderator is V/LA from August 10 to August 21. (Hopefully I'll be around during that time, but if not, I'm sure Not Known 15 will cover for me.)
Scioness Sajj is V/LA until August 6.
If you notice any mistakes, please point them out. (That includes looking at the voting history.)

Spoiler: Current Voting History

Golden Robster: TehBrawlGuy (5311)
Krazy: Gamma Emerald (5115)
Creature: Gamma Emerald (5397) --> Scioness Sajj (5577)
Kublai Khan: Wavemode (5305) --> TehBrawlGuy (5520)
Hopkirk: Krazy (5265) --> Scioness Sajj (5648)
Gamma Emerald: Golden Robster (5631)
Tchill13: Vaxkiller (5135) --> TehBrawlGuy (5139) ==> TehBrawlGuy (5174)
Skygazer: Wavemode (5439) --> (Null) (5480) --> Scioness Sajj (5640)
JarJarDrinks: TehBrawlGuy (5422)
Ankamius: Wavemode (5168) --> TehBrawlGuy (5643)
TehBrawlGuy: JarJarDrinks (5126) --> Wavemode (5373)
Vaxkiller: Krazy (5118) --> Gamma Emerald (5121) --> Scioness Sajj (5649)
Wavemode: Krazy (5263) --> TehBrawlGuy (5579)
Myloninja13: Gamma Emerald (5394)
Scioness Sajj: Gamma Emerald (5309) --> (Null) (5633) --> Myloninja13 (5642)

Spoiler: Previous Voting History

Day 4

* - Hammer Vote

Dunnstral

(1): Texcat (4670)
Golden Robster (2): Scioness Sajj (4681) -->

Dunnstral

(5019)
Krazy (3): Texcat (4669) --> Gamma Emerald (4859) -->

Dunnstral

(5104*)
Creature (3): Scioness Sajj (4665) --> Texcat (4745) -->

Dunnstral

(4817)
Hopkirk (5): Scioness Sajj (4672) --> (Null) (4848) --> Scioness Sajj (4857) --> Vaxkiller (4992) --> Golden Robster (5062)
Gamma Emerald (1):

Dunnstral

(4847)
Tchill13 (6): Scioness Sajj (4707) -->

Dunnstral

(4822) --> Scioness Sajj (4863) -->

Dunnstral

(4988) --> (Null) (5064) --> TehBrawlGuy (5102)
Skygazer (4): Scioness Sajj (4717) --> Texcat (4888) --> (Null) (4894) -->

Dunnstral

(4973)
JarJarDrinks (2): Scioness Sajj (4674) -->

Dunnstral

(4815)
Ankamius (3): Tchill13 (4756) --> Texcat (5002) --> Krazy (5049)
Texcat (1):

Dunnstral

(4829)
TehBrawlGuy (1): Texcat (4710)
Vaxkiller (1): Scioness Sajj (4721)
Wavemode (2): Scioness Sajj (4854) -->

Dunnstral

(5071)

PenguinPower

(2): Scioness Sajj (4713) -->

Dunnstral

(4819)
Myloninja13 (3):

Dunnstral

(4837) --> Gamma Emerald (4965) -->

Dunnstral

(5059)
Scioness Sajj (2): Texcat (4675) --> (Null) (4895)

Day 3

* - Hammer vote
^ - Vote occurred after hammer

Dunnstral

(2): Myloninja13 (3463) --> Texcat (4162)
Golden Robster (3):

Dunnstral

(3559) --> TehBrawlGuy (4208) --> Creature (4255)
Pine (0):
Krazy (3):

Dunnstral

(3978) --> Texcat (4161) --> Gamma Emerald (4392)
Creature (8): Texcat (3472) -->

Lalendra

(3681) --> Texcat (3744) --> Myloninja13 (4013) --> Texcat (4165) -->

Lalendra

(4213) --> Kublai Khan (4260) -->

Lalendra

(4284)
Kublai Khan (7): Creature (3511) -->

Lalendra

(4033) --> TehBrawlGuy (4184) --> Creature (4240) -->

Lalendra

(4308) --> Gamma Emerald (4416) -->

Lalendra

(4557)
Hopkirk (3):

Lalendra

(3661) --> Myloninja13 (4082) -->

Lalendra

(4339)
Gamma Emerald (3):

Lalendra

(3913) --> (Null) (3954) --> Myloninja13 (4073)

Ausuka

(4): Myloninja13 (3640) -->

Lalendra

(3677) --> Myloninja13 (4010) -->

Lalendra

(4286)

Lalendra

(3): TehBrawlGuy (3719) --> Myloninja13 (4130) --> Creature (4384)
Tchill13 (3):

Lalendra

(3690) --> Myloninja13 (4082) -->

Lalendra

(4215)
Frozen Angel (0):
Skygazer (1):

Lalendra

(4564)
JarJarDrinks (5): Creature (3616) --> (Null) (3694) -->

Lalendra

(3695) -->

Dunnstral

(3704) -->

Lalendra

(3721)
Ankamius (3):

Lalendra

(3801) --> (Null) (4044) --> Creature (4239)
Texcat (1): Myloninja13 (3637)
TehBrawlGuy (4): JarJarDrinks (3466) --> Texcat (3790) --> Creature (4245) --> Gamma Emerald (4421)
Vaxkiller (3): Kublai Khan (4004) --> Myloninja13 (4214) -->

Lalendra

(4220)
Wavemode (2): TehBrawlGuy (3468) -->

Lalendra

(3716) --> _{Ankamius (4600^)}

PenguinPower

(3): Texcat (3473) --> Myloninja13 (3643) -->

Lalendra

(3678)
Myloninja13 (2):

Dunnstral

(3765) --> Creature (4252)
Scioness Sajj (3): Texcat (3756) --> Creature (4338) -->

Lalendra

(4577*)

Day 2

Note: * - Hammer Vote

Dunnstral

(4): Myloninja13 (1942) --> JarJarDrinks (2206) -->

PenguinPower

(3242) --> TehBrawlGuy (3248)
Golden Robster (17): Hopkirk (2078) --> (Null) (2096) -->

PenguinPower

(2112) --> Scioness Sajj (2152) --> Vaxkiller (2171) --> (Null) (2288) --> Creature (2299) -->

WhemeStar

(2304) --> Wavemode (2367) --> Scioness Sajj (2432) --> TehBrawlGuy (2526) -->

Flavor Leaf

(2642) --> (Null) (2783) -->

PenguinPower

(2979) -->

WhemeStar

(3099) --> (Null) (3284) -->

WhemeStar

(3286)
Pine (1): Andriod18 (1936)
Creature (3): Myloninja13 (1941) -->

PenguinPower

(2835) -->

WhemeStar

(3453*)
Kublai Khan (5):

Flavor Leaf

(1944) --> (Null) (2366) --> Vaxkiller (2423) -->

PenguinPower

(2899) -->

WhemeStar

(3027)

WhemeStar

(4): Vaxkiller (2245) --> JarJarDrinks (2301) -->

Flavor Leaf

(2542) -->

PenguinPower

(2930)
Hopkirk (5): Andriod18 (2197) --> Kublai Khan (2346) --> (Null) (2781) ==> (Null) (2782) -->

WhemeStar

(3008)
Gamma Emerald (5): Kublai Khan (2488) --> Golden Robster (2839) --> (Null) (2867) -->

PenguinPower

(2990) -->

WhemeStar

(3318)

Ausuka

(7):

PenguinPower

(1960) --> Myloninja13 (2434) -->

Flavor Leaf

(2504) --> (Null) (2573) --> Myloninja13 (2574) --> TehBrawlGuy (3023) -->

WhemeStar

(3293)

Lalendra

(7): Vaxkiller (2184) --> JarJarDrinks (2334) --> Andriod18 (2503) -->

Flavor Leaf

(2657) --> (Null) (2705) -->

PenguinPower

(2809) -->

WhemeStar

(3097)
EspeciallyTheLies (1):

PenguinPower

(1996)
JarJarDrinks (10): Andriod18 (1945) --> EspeciallyTheLies (2041) --> (Null) (2066) --> Andriod18 (2192) -->

Flavor Leaf

(2327) --> (Null) (2612) -->

Flavor Leaf

(2640) --> (Null) (2755) --> Andriod18 (2943) -->

WhemeStar

(3030)
Andriod18 (2): JarJarDrinks (2116) --> Kublai Khan (2533)
Texcat (2): ArcAngel9 (1987) --> Myloninja13 (2552)
ArcAngel9 (1): Texcat (2072)
TehBrawlGuy (7): (Null) (2535) --> Wavemode (2690) -->

WhemeStar

(3062) --> (Null) (3118) -->

WhemeStar

(3165) --> (Null) (3196) -->

WhemeStar

(3233)
Vaxkiller (5):

WhemeStar

(2343) --> Myloninja13 (2472) -->

PenguinPower

(3012) -->

WhemeStar

(3112) -->

PenguinPower

(3290)
Wavemode (6): Texcat (2044) --> Andriod18 (2331) -->

Flavor Leaf

(2635) --> (Null) (2800) -->

WhemeStar

(2966) ==>

WhemeStar

(3115)

PenguinPower

(7): Myloninja13 (1947) --> Kublai Khan (2572) -->

Flavor Leaf

(2709) --> Myloninja13 (2759) --> Golden Robster (2775) --> (Null) (2894) -->

WhemeStar

(2962)
Myloninja13 (1):

PenguinPower

(2437)
Scioness Sajj (3): Andriod18 (2904) -->

WhemeStar

(3034) -->

PenguinPower

(3255)

Flavor Leaf

(5): JarJarDrinks (2205) --> Kublai Khan (2499) -->

PenguinPower

(2715) --> Golden Robster (2774) -->

WhemeStar

(2958)

Day 1

Note: * = Hammer Vote

Note: ^ = Vote after hammer vote.

Dunnstral

(5):

Osuka

(77) --> Texcat (1388) -->

Lalendra

(1623) -->

Osuka

(1758) -->

Performer

(1782)

Srceenplay

(0): (Null)

Performer

(5):

Osuka

(623) -->

TheRampage

(909) --> Wavemode (1051) --> Andriod18 (1765) -->

Performer

(1849)*

Joral

(0): (Null)

Almost50

(8): Hopkirk (97) --> Edosurist (226) -->

Osuka

(390) -->

Ausuka

(1205) --> (Null) (1304) --> Vaxkiller (1352) --> (Null) (1380) --> Andriod18 (1460)
Fumuki (0): (Null)
Golden Robster (13):

Almost50

(177) --> Wavemode (183) -->

Osuka

(236) -->

Ausuka (317)

--> JarJarDrinks (319) --> (Null) (546) --> Vaxkiller (602) --> (Null) (1504) --> Wavemode (1588) --> (Null) (1589) --> ArcAngel9 (1770) --> Andriod18 (1784) --> (Null) (1798)
Pine (2):

Osuka

(176) --> Andriod18 (1835)
Creature (6):

Performer

(385) --> Myloninja13 (720) -->

TheRampage

(813) -->

Performer

(898) --> Andriod18 (1449) -->

Performer

(1846)
Kublai Khan (6):

Osuka

(76) -->

Almost50

(122) --> Scioness Sajj (388) --> JarJarDrinks (536) -->

Osuka

(725) -->

Performer

(957)

WhemeStar

(3):

Lalendra

(234) --> JarJarDrinks (797) -->

Flavor Leaf

(955)
Hopkirk (9):

Osuka

(90) -->

Lalendra

(279) -->

Osuka

(696) --> (Null) (993) --> Wavemode (999) -->

Performer

(1273) --> (Null) (1315) -->

Performer

(1458) --> Andriod18 (1679)
Edosurist (2): Texcat (84) -->

Almost50

(222)
Gamma Emerald (3): Vaxkiller (710) --> Wavemode (1107) --> Andriod18 (1711) --> _{(Null) (1889)^}

Ausuka

(9): JarJarDrinks (89) --> Creature (104) --> Myloninja13 (429) --> (Null) (742) -->

TheRampage

(743) --> Wavemode (998) -->

Performer

(1604) -->

Lalendra

(1624) --> Andriod18 (1680)

Lalendra

(3):

Almost50

(209) --> (Null) (559) -->

Performer

(1229)
EspeciallyTheLies (2):

Almost50

(83) -->

Performer

(515)
Lovebird (1): Edosurist (259)
Davesaz (1): Wavemode (1014)
Frozen Angel (3):

Performer

(1579) --> (Null) (1606) -->

Performer

(1814)
JarJarDrinks (8):

Osuka

(85) -->

Almost50

(114) --> Charles510 (186) --> Edosurist (231) -->

Osuka

(535) -->

Ausuka

(842) --> Wavemode (1112) --> Andriod18 (1410)

Osuka

(10): Wavemode (80) --> JarJarDrinks (124) --> ArcAngel9 (229) --> Pine (332) --> JarJarDrinks (353) -->

Performer

(769) -->

TheRampage

(771) -->

Performer

(1047) --> Vaxkiller (1359) -->

Performer

(1384)
Texcat (4):

Osuka

(79) --> Wavemode (1080) -->

Osuka

(1703) --> Andriod18 (1777)
Andriod18 (4): Kublai Khan (190) --> Lovebird (290) --> JarJarDrinks (855) -->

Performer

(1796)
ArcAngel9 (4): Texcat (81) -->

TheRampage

(223) --> Texcat (604) -->

Performer

(1397)
Charles510 (2): JarJarDrinks (87) --> (Null) (310)
Vaxkiller (8): JarJarDrinks (363) --> Scioness Sajj (389) --> Andriod18 (437) --> JarJarDrinks (532) --> Golden Robster (678) --> Wavemode (1078) -->

TheRampage

(1085) -->

Performer

(1116)
Wavemode (5): Texcat (82) --> Charles510 (131) --> (Null) (838) -->

Osuka

(867) -->

Performer

(1108)

TheRampage

(3): Creature (100) --> (Null) (509) -->

Osuka

(681)

PenguinPower

(1):

Performer

(1774)
Myloninja13 (4): Edosurist (233) --> JarJarDrinks (326) -->

Performer

(1554) --> Andriod18 (1787)
Scioness Sajj (4):

Ausuka

(406) --> (Null) (1325) -->

Performer

(1552) --> Andriod18 (1760)

Flavor Leaf

(1): Andriod18 (1772)

Pre-Game

Dunnstral

(2): Texcat (9) --> Pine (43)

Srceenplay

(1): Andriod18 (62)
Pine (1):

Osuka

(16)
Kublai Khan (1): Pine (34)
Hopkirk (1):

Osuka

(66)
Edosurist (1): Pine (42)

Osuka

(2): Pine (28) --> Wavemode (33)
Texcat (1): Pine (44)
Wavemode (1):

Osuka

(31)

[JarJarDrinks]

I'm happy if today is TBG vs SS

[TehBrawlGuy]

VOTE: sajj

[Krazy]

VOTE: sajj

is this forced? or can you expand on why SS is scum?

[wavemode]

D3 Mislynch

Lalendra (11) (HAMMER @ 4577) - PenguinPower (3678), Wavemode (3716), JarJarDrinks (3721), Tchill13 (4215), Vaxkiller (4220), Creature (4284), Ausuka (4286), Hopkirk (4339), Kublai Khan (4557), Skygazer (4564), Scioness Sajj (4577*)

D4 Mislynch

Dunnstral (10) (HAMMER @ 5104) - JarJarDrinks (4815), Creature (4817), PenguinPower (4819), Texcat (4829), Gamma Emerald (4847), Skygazer (4973), Golden Robster (5019), Myloninja13 (5059), Wavemode (5071), Krazy (5104)


The subset of players on both mislynches is {Wavemode, JarJarDrinks,

PenguinPower

, Creature}. I think this is a pretty good place to start, and I'd prefer JJD or Wave. VOTE: JJD in particular has been pretty instrumental in our failed lynches. He even set up the awful Dunn lynch before Lala died.

Dunn is obviously next lynch after lala.

soo this is actually the worst post i've ever seen

[wavemode]

VOTE: sajj

is this forced? or can you expand on why SS is scum?

is THIS forced? you didn't take issue with any previous vote on scioness

[TehBrawlGuy]

VOTE: sajj

is this forced? or can you expand on why SS is scum?

this is me voting the not-me wagon out of survivalism. I'm pretty donezo explaining shit.

I've had lynches I hate go through 2 days in a row, most of my content doesn't really get engaged with in the thread, and I feel like I'm wasting my breath at this point.

This Town wants to lynch me when I've been on the right side of literally every lynch since I replaced in, and right on PP being Town well before the Wheme lynch. Why? because "hurr durr tgb unvoted wheme", despite it objectively being the correct policy decision to do so and backed up by me seeing a speedhammer in Mini 2010. (and despite the fact that I was one of the counter-wagons to Wheme)

I even debated not unvoting because I knew it could look shady after he died, if he flipped Scum, but I was like, eh, not doing something because you're afraid of looking scummy is literally the #1 scum motivation, so it's better to do it. I assumed someone might not get that unvoting was correct policy, and FoS me for it, but I never assumed it would be the majority of the thread. Dunn had the read on me right, and he knew it was correct policy, so what did the thread do? Lynch him, because they couldn't grasp why

his own

choice was correct policy. It's asinine. I hope y'all learn not to auto-judge policy decisions like this anymore.

you'd think after two straight mislynches, people would realize they've been off-base this game, (and likely steered that way by mafia) but y'all are charging straight ahead with shockingly little re-evaluation, and I'm just done with it. I can't make you listen, and I can't make you pause to think critically. Maybe that's on me for not being strong enough of a leader, or eloquent enough in my explanations, but regardless, I've hit the point of frustration with the gamestate where I'm not willing to put in more effort right now.

[Krazy]

I was mostly wondering whether you thought scion really fit a scum team well. I have mixed feelings on his slot, and I dislike having mixed feelings on a leading wagon.

I'm pretty sure if town keeps lynching literally everyone who has ever voted texcat that this town loses to some of the lowest effort scum ever, but that's their perogative.

Scion is like:
-meta does not fit his town profile (this is shit, but he seems super disengaged compared to the wallposts he is clearly capable of)
-mylo vote is shitty and kinda opportunistic

vs.
-he doesn't fit texcat team well
-town is helping scum lynch everyone who has ever voted texcat
-I have no idea what to make of his vote for wheme, but it almost looks 'too scummy to be scum'

Not sure how to sort that. While I have other townreads at the moment, their judgement seems shitty, so you're the only person in this game who actually seems to be making good points and is also clearly town. So do you think scion is scum? Because if so, I'd like help sorting him. And if not, we need to figure out a different wagon.

[Creature]

VOTE: scion

Creature

Help me out here.

Where are we?

I'm already there.

[Creature]

I'm happy if today is TBG vs SS

Me too probably.

[Creature]

but can't say I feel like both of them are scum.

[Creature]

VOTE: sajj

is this forced? or can you expand on why SS is scum?

It looks bad, but Scion also looks bad.

[Creature]

soo this is actually the worst post i've ever seen

lol

Is it the fact his subset has a great chance of being all town?

[Golden Robster]

Um I didn't think context was necessary? It just didn't feel like a real "fake guilty" thought process. Something felt off about it.

what felt off about it?

please explain

[Golden Robster]

That Gamma wagon is awful. Krazy,Vax,Mylo,Scion.

three and a half scumreads + mylo

yeah the wagon is awful

krazy and wavemode wagons aren't happening today

either tbg or gamma or scioness

okay these feel dissonant
VOTE: Golden Robster
Not entirely confident, but from what I've seen both from back reading and this, I'm not too impressed by his content

dissonant = disagreeing

how have I disagreed with myself here today?

I scumread them but some players have a HIGHER chance of flipping scum just by looking at wheme wagon and what happened in terms of stalling

[Golden Robster]

Myloninja is consistently like this and I'm pretty sure he's overgaming himself

subtle defending by gamma

[JarJarDrinks]

The big difference is that I'm not touting Wheme lynch as a thing you should give me townpoints for, but you've been happy to.

This Town wants to lynch me when I've been on the right side of literally every lynch since I replaced in, and right on PP being Town well before the Wheme lynch.

[Hopkirk]

@Wave: I don't.

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: sajj

is this forced? or can you expand on why SS is scum?

is THIS forced? you didn't take issue with any previous vote on scioness

Yeah that's a bit loopy
cos despite defending tbg he decides to pick on tbg's vote? nagl

[Gamma Emerald]

Um I didn't think context was necessary? It just didn't feel like a real "fake guilty" thought process. Something felt off about it.

what felt off about it?

please explain

It felt like you didn't have any sort of idea of what you were doing
which I'd maybe expect from a newb too but you're not a newb, and maybe if your really bad at it but it just seems like scum that just wanted to throw shit at a wall and see if it stuck

[Krazy]

Gamma can you expand on why you feel GR bussed wheme?

[Gamma Emerald]

Gamma can you expand on why you feel GR bussed wheme?

I think probably for cred
can you explain why this is your fallback question? You asked this about Dunn yesterday and it feels like you're using it as a crutch rather than trying to find actual objections to the lynch

[Krazy]

What separates GR's vote(s) from anyone else on the Wheme wagon? Anything?

Why are you attacking me for questioning you instead of building a more convincing case on your vanity wagon?

[Gamma Emerald]

What separates GR's vote(s) from anyone else on the Wheme wagon? Anything?

Why are you attacking me for questioning you instead of building a more convincing case on your vanity wagon?

I don't know yet because I'm not at that point in the read back. I'll work on that when I get there though, thanks.
As for why I'm questioning you, it's because you kinda feel like you're going Groundhog Day here, just repeating the same shit from yesterday. Doesn't feel very genuine.